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Brutus
08-05-2006, 04:37 PM
Brandon Phillips sure can look awful at times. I know he's criticized for not taking a ton of walks. Heck, when he's not taking walks and he's in one of those funks, he sure can be frustrating.

But when he's hitting, this kid is one of the better second basemen in the entire league. He's got excellent bat speed, he really drives the bat head through the zone and he hits to all fields when he's at his best.

In the streak of recently criticized moves by Wayne Krivsky on this forum, let's not forget how great an acquisition Brandon Phillips has been.

Matt700wlw
08-05-2006, 04:41 PM
Brandon Phillips may have been the biggest steal in baseball.

The Reds gave up virtually nothing and got a cornerstone for the present and the future.

jimbo
08-05-2006, 04:42 PM
In the streak of recently criticized moves by Wayne Krivsky on this forum, let's not forget how great an acquisition Brandon Phillips has been.

A streak? I would consider it a constant barrage.

Team Clark
08-05-2006, 04:43 PM
Funny how people on this board whine about Phillips' play. Even with a sub par July the guy still kept his avg close to .290 through the first week of AUGUST!! Not May, Not the 1st week of June, but AUGUST!!! Guess what folks. Sometimes big leaguers have bad stretches.... I know that may seem shocking but even Pete Rose and Tony Gwynn had some bad times.

MaineRed
08-05-2006, 04:47 PM
I know he is too old to be a big leaguer anymore but we can put Ken Griffey Junior on that list too.

Matt700wlw
08-05-2006, 04:48 PM
His name is B-Phil.

:D

Brutus
08-05-2006, 04:48 PM
TC, I agree wholeheartedly.

I will say though, Phillips' highs and lows are pretty dramatic. His lows are pretty low, but his highs are very, very high.

As you mentioned, his numbers for the entire season that he's been plenty more good than bad. His OPS dictates he's only a moderate second basemen, but he has the ability to carry a team when he's hitting well and with his speed and energy, he brings so much to the team.

fisch11
08-05-2006, 05:12 PM
I just laugh now the BP couldn't play in Cleveland because of Ronnie Belliard, who's now with the Cardinals. And now who does Cleveland have? That makes me smile...plus the fact that we got him for a bag of baseballs.

Not to compare at all but that trade may look as bad as the Twins giving up on David Ortiz.

WMR
08-05-2006, 05:14 PM
I like the pop in his bat. Especially for a SS which is hopefully where he will be playing next season.

realreds1
08-05-2006, 06:26 PM
I just laugh now the BP couldn't play in Cleveland because of Ronnie Belliard, who's now with the Cardinals. And now who does Cleveland have? That makes me smile...plus the fact that we got him for a bag of baseballs.

Not to compare at all but that trade may look as bad as the Twins giving up on David Ortiz.

I guess technically the Expos-Indians trade looks pretty ugly in hindsight, too. Phillips, Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, and Lee Stevens to Cleveland for Bartolo Colon and Tim Drew...

Will M
08-05-2006, 07:22 PM
" His OPS dictates he's only a moderate second basemen "

Naw. His TOTAL package of OPS + gold glove defense + speed make comparing his OPS to other second basemen less meaningful

- Will

Newman4
08-05-2006, 08:06 PM
His name is B-Phil.

:D

B Phil Da Thrill :thumbup:

Team Clark
08-05-2006, 09:00 PM
TC, I agree wholeheartedly.

I will say though, Phillips' highs and lows are pretty dramatic. His lows are pretty low, but his highs are very, very high.

As you mentioned, his numbers for the entire season that he's been plenty more good than bad. His OPS dictates he's only a moderate second basemen, but he has the ability to carry a team when he's hitting well and with his speed and energy, he brings so much to the team.

I am a frim believer in the more success you have the more experience you have to draw on when it gets tough. His numbers will continue to improve. I like the fact that you never see him not hustling. Ever.

buckeyenut
08-05-2006, 09:10 PM
TC, I agree wholeheartedly.

I will say though, Phillips' highs and lows are pretty dramatic. His lows are pretty low, but his highs are very, very high.

As you mentioned, his numbers for the entire season that he's been plenty more good than bad. His OPS dictates he's only a moderate second basemen, but he has the ability to carry a team when he's hitting well and with his speed and energy, he brings so much to the team.

And here is the nice thing. As he continues to mature and improve, those lows should begin to be shorter and not quite so low. And when he moves back to SS, he will be even more valuable.

KoryMac5
08-05-2006, 11:04 PM
I just laugh now the BP couldn't play in Cleveland because of Ronnie Belliard, who's now with the Cardinals. And now who does Cleveland have? That makes me smile...plus the fact that we got him for a bag of baseballs.

Not to compare at all but that trade may look as bad as the Twins giving up on David Ortiz.


Eligible for arbitration, David was set for a pay raise from $900,000 to more than $2 million. Minnesota GM Terry Ryan shopped David around at the winter meetings, but found no takers. The Twins released him in December

The Twins indeed kicked themselves but so did many other major league teams.

LexingtonRedsFan
08-05-2006, 11:11 PM
Remind me again...who did cleveland end up taking for phillips?

MWM
08-05-2006, 11:14 PM
I enjoy watching BP play. H's exciting, especially on defense. When I watch him, my only concern is that he seems to be wound very tight. Baseball is a game of failure and sometimes great athletes like Phillips who are used to being head and shoulders above the competition most of their lives in most sports have a hard time coping with failing so often.

He seems to get so emotionally invested into each and every pitch of every AB at times. That's tough to sustain over a long seson or seasons. I don't worry about his physical abilities, but I question whether he's got the mental makeup to survive the most difficult sport out there. I'm not saying he doesn't have it, but if he does wind up busting as a major leaguer over the long run, I believe his head will be the culprit. Baseball is hard. VERY hard.