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cincrazy
08-08-2006, 01:03 PM
Francisco Liriano's apparent trip to the disabled list is a prime example of why the Reds need to keep Homer Bailey and his right arm in the minor leagues the rest of this season, and the most of next. Liriano has been HUGE for the Twins, but his arm's tired, and who knows how much he has left for the rest of the season. Sad to see.

dabvu2498
08-08-2006, 01:22 PM
His arm's not "tired." It's hurt.

He's pitched 115 innings thus far.

In 2004 he pitched 158.2

2005 181.1

Developmentally, he was on track to pitch 200+ innings this year, so it's not a fatigue issue, it's an injury issue.

cincrazy
08-08-2006, 01:32 PM
Well, it's not the first time the guy's had injury problems with his elbow. If I'm not mistake, he had Tommy John surgery before being traded to the Twins. There are so many great young pitcher's this year, but 200 innings in the minors and 200 innings in the majors in a pennant race are two different things.

dougdirt
08-08-2006, 01:44 PM
Its not an elbow injury. His forearm is sore. Its a muscle issue, not a ligament issue.

cincrazy
08-08-2006, 01:52 PM
I thought I saw on espn's bottom line that it was his elbow. Sorry if I'm wrong. Hopefully for their sake and his it's not his elbow.

Big Klu
08-08-2006, 01:55 PM
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Team Clark
08-08-2006, 03:23 PM
Its not an elbow injury. His forearm is sore. Its a muscle issue, not a ligament issue.

Usually when the forearm starts hurting it is an indication that the elbow is in trouble.

edabbs44
08-08-2006, 03:26 PM
Usually when the forearm starts hurting it is an indication that the elbow is in trouble.
Just about to say the same thing...Hampton had forearm issues for months last year, which ended up with TJ surgery.

Team Clark
08-08-2006, 03:26 PM
"It's a muscular problem -- as the game was going on, he started to feel it," Gardenhire said. "We had him checked out before, and everything was fine, but we'll have him checked out again. It's muscles, not his elbow."

After facing the Tigers on July 28, Liriano (12-3) missed his next start because of inflammation in the forearm. The rest did not seem to help, as he gave up four runs and a season-high 10 hits in just four innings. He struck out five.

"It started bothering me in the second inning," said Liriano, who was taken out after four innings. "It really bothered me. I couldn't throw fastball, changeup, slider or anything."

When asked if he was worried about his status, Liriano answered yes, "because it's getting worse."

Took this piece from ESPN. This is what scares me about Guardado's injury.

edabbs44
08-08-2006, 03:27 PM
Well, it's not the first time the guy's had injury problems with his elbow. If I'm not mistake, he had Tommy John surgery before being traded to the Twins. There are so many great young pitcher's this year, but 200 innings in the minors and 200 innings in the majors in a pennant race are two different things.
I think he had shoulder problems. The lower arm is new.

JaxRed
08-08-2006, 03:50 PM
Richard Hand 2000 - "every injury is an arm injury"