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Ltlabner
08-09-2006, 05:40 PM
Some projected this team to be in last place and be a non-factor before the season started.

Some said the end was near when they had that horrible June (or was it May, I can't remember now).

Others said the end had started when we lost a number of games to the lowly Cubs and Royals (right before sweeping the Astros and Cards).

The total implosion of the bull-pen was a sure sign of the end of the season was the claim of some.

The pick-up of Everyday Eddie, a tired old broken down arm was said to be a tiny step towards our finish as a team.

Then came the appocloypse, "The Trade". That surely was the end of the team once we gave up all that offense and weakened the D. Heck, "the trade" blew up Redszone for a while, so the Reds definatley weren't long for this world. The race to last place had begun!

Then the pick up of Loshe and Cromier was cried as the end of the team. How could we hope to survive after giving up valuable prospects for such horrible pitchers.

Just Monday night, after a particulary embrassing drubbing at the hands of the Cards the season was offically pronouced DOA. One had to wade through the game threads carefully to avoid the cast-off as some picked over the bloodied carcas of the team.

I'm not predicting we win the World Series, Divsion, Pennant or the WC. I'm not saying that we woln't implode by the end of the season. I'm certinally not saying the team is perfect and without fault. We may very well fade from contention as our starting pitching weakens down the strech.

But I AM saying that this team keeps fighting. This team that was picked to be in last place right now is still in the hunt, however weak their position might be. The fact reamins we are in 2nd place, out 3.5 games, tied for the WC.

All of this desipite not being one full year out of the reign of terror from the Schott/Bowden/Linder/Allen/OBrian years.

Not too shabby.....

Matt700wlw
08-09-2006, 05:42 PM
I've been hearing this team is in a tailspin since June.




I'm still waiting....

shredda2000
08-09-2006, 05:43 PM
very well said Ltlabner...

Tommyjohn25
08-09-2006, 05:43 PM
Great post! If I could give you rep every day, I would.

RedFanAlways1966
08-09-2006, 05:54 PM
Been a great year for REDS fans. Been a better than expected year for REDS fans. Been great...!

:D

joshnky
08-09-2006, 05:55 PM
Great post. I feel exactly the same way.

Falls City Beer
08-09-2006, 06:12 PM
They're not mathematically eliminated. I'll keep watching.

Johnny Footstool
08-09-2006, 06:19 PM
Keep pumping that sunshine.

CardsFanInChiTo
08-09-2006, 06:23 PM
The Reds have a very good chance of making the playoffs stats wise. The playoffs odds from BP:


Average wins by position in NL Central: 87.4 83.0 79.2 75.4 70.9 63.6
NL Central W L Pct3 Avg W Avg L Champions Wild Card Playoffs
Cardinals 61 51 .470 86.1 75.9 65.12431 10.89732 76.02164
Reds 58 55 .486 83.1 78.9 26.98595 16.75901 43.74496
Astros 54 58 .464 78.8 83.2 6.12918 4.69717 10.82635
Brewers 52 60 .450 76.1 85.9 1.63941 1.43688 3.07629
Cubs 48 64 .444 71.5 90.5 .12102 .08617 .20719
Pirates 42 71 .424 63.9 98.1 .00013 .00008 .00021

Link (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php)

Almost 44% is pretty good. Once a team makes the playoffs who knows what will happen? It's pretty much a crap shoot.

Ltlabner
08-09-2006, 06:26 PM
Keep pumping that sunshine.

Perhaps you got confused by this part of my post? Or is that still to "sunshine" for you? ;)


I'm not predicting we win the World Series, Divsion, Pennant or the WC. I'm not saying that we woln't implode by the end of the season. I'm certinally not saying the team is perfect and without fault. We may very well fade from contention as our starting pitching weakens down the strech.

Johnny Footstool
08-09-2006, 06:56 PM
I don't think you have ever posted anything that has confused me. I just don't go in for that rah-rah, maximum effort, fightin' spirit stuff.

Ltlabner
08-09-2006, 07:01 PM
I don't think you have ever posted anything that has confused me. I just don't go in for that rah-rah, maximum effort, fightin' spirit stuff.


How does pointing that the team's collapse that's been predicted since before the season has not happened fall into the "rah-rah" catigory?

I was simply pointing out that despite all of the predictions of doom this team is doing well.

Why do you seem to find that distastefull (me pointing out that they are doing well)? Or at least, that is how it appears to me.

Jr's Boy
08-09-2006, 07:26 PM
At least Marge Schott's ''reign of terror''included a World Series Champioship.But I feel what your saying.

Johnny Footstool
08-10-2006, 12:30 AM
How does pointing that the team's collapse that's been predicted since before the season has not happened fall into the "rah-rah" catigory?

I was simply pointing out that despite all of the predictions of doom this team is doing well.

Why do you seem to find that distastefull (me pointing out that they are doing well)? Or at least, that is how it appears to me.

I took your "this team keeps fighting" statement to mean "they have that can-do spirit and a lot of heart." That's the kind of thinking I find distasteful.

If that wasn't your intended meaning, then I apologize.

Looking at it again, it looks like you're simply celebrating the team's performance, which is great. I don't have a problem with that.

Dunner44
08-10-2006, 12:35 AM
2.5 games back

Razor Shines
08-10-2006, 12:45 AM
I took your "this team keeps fighting" statement to mean "they have that can-do spirit and a lot of heart." That's the kind of thinking I find distasteful.

If that wasn't your intended meaning, then I apologize.

Looking at it again, it looks like you're simply celebrating the team's performance, which is great. I don't have a problem with that.
I am just curious as to why you find this kind of thinking distasteful? I really just want to know, from what I've read you usually have good reasons for your opinions. Personally I'd say I am that type of person, but I'm just interested in an oposing point of view.

Johnny Footstool
08-10-2006, 01:11 AM
I feel like it's an over-simplification. It ignores talent, opportunity, and circumstance simply hands credit to some intangible, ethereal human quality.