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Ravenlord
08-12-2006, 01:39 PM
quick question for those more experienced than i with apartment leases and tennant rights...

we've lived at this apartment for two months now, and have been struggling to get hot water the entire time. we figured since eight apartments share the same water heater it was just running out. however, me getting home at 2am and still having cold water quickly killed that theory.

what's actually happening is that the circuit blows out whenever more than one water source is going (even if it's cold water) and it will also blow at random. you have to reset the breaker(s), and hope that they actually stay set for 30 minutes or so. and if you reset the breaker less than five minutes after it blows, you run the risk of electric shock (i've been shocked twice).

when we would call the office to complain about it, we were always told they were in the process of getting someone to fix it. finally last week, we learned from the mantainence guy that it is a problem with the breaker box that he doesn't know how to fix. the next day the office finally sent an electrician to fix the box.

the problem now lies in he only fixed half the problem. he fixed the wiring that directly involves the water heater circuit, however, he left the wiring that supplies the water heater (and the washer for that matter) with its power as is. the result is that that circuit continually blows.

when we called the office a few minutes ago to let them know, they said they had done all they can do. when we offered them a little more light onto what's happening, they accused us (the tennants as a group) of illegal tamering of the circuit breaker.

my question is this; if the breaker/hot water issue doesn't get fixed, do we have some kind of legal recourse?

thanks for any input.

Falls City Beer
08-12-2006, 01:45 PM
quick question for those more experienced than i with apartment leases and tennant rights...

we've lived at this apartment for two months now, and have been struggling to get hot water the entire time. we figured since eight apartments share the same water heater it was just running out. however, me getting home at 2am and still having cold water quickly killed that theory.

what's actually happening is that the circuit blows out whenever more than one water source is going (even if it's cold water) and it will also blow at random. you have to reset the breaker(s), and hope that they actually stay set for 30 minutes or so. and if you reset the breaker less than five minutes after it blows, you run the risk of electric shock (i've been shocked twice).

when we would call the office to complain about it, we were always told they were in the process of getting someone to fix it. finally last week, we learned from the mantainence guy that it is a problem with the breaker box that he doesn't know how to fix. the next day the office finally sent an electrician to fix the box.

the problem now lies in he only fixed half the problem. he fixed the wiring that directly involves the water heater circuit, however, he left the wiring that supplies the water heater (and the washer for that matter) with its power as is. the result is that that circuit continually blows.

when we called the office a few minutes ago to let them know, they said they had done all they can do. when we offered them a little more light onto what's happening, they accused us (the tennants as a group) of illegal tamering of the circuit breaker.

my question is this; if the breaker/hot water issue doesn't get fixed, do we have some kind of legal recourse?

thanks for any input.


You do have legal recourse. Thankfully the law most often sides with tenants over landlords. I would go to city hall and file a complaint until something is done about your situation. That, or if you have a relative or friend who is a lawyer, one mildly forceful letter on office letterhead usually stirs the bums into action. Not having hot water is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. You are entitled to such as a tenant, and a rent-paying one at that.

Ravenlord
08-12-2006, 02:27 PM
You do have legal recourse. Thankfully the law most often sides with tenants over landlords. I would go to city hall and file a complaint until something is done about your situation. That, or if you have a relative or friend who is a lawyer, one mildly forceful letter on office letterhead usually stirs the bums into action. Not having hot water is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. You are entitled to such as a tenant, and a rent-paying one at that.

thank you. that's not too far off from what i thought. i'm hoping i can get by by simply printing out the applicable section of the law/code involved and giving it to the landlord with the warning of possible legal action if not heeded.

i_heart_jason
08-12-2006, 03:06 PM
we had a similar problem with our water heater in one of our apartments. the bad thing is, i dont remember what the ACTUAL problem was. ask SC RedsFans. he would remember.

reds1869
08-12-2006, 03:26 PM
This site might help. I am a landlord, and believe me I would never leave a tenant hanging like that. NEVER. Not only is it bad for business, it is immoral.

http://www.ohiolandlordtenant.com/faq1.html

Ravenlord
08-12-2006, 03:45 PM
This site might help. I am a landlord, and believe me I would never leave a tenant hanging like that. NEVER. Not only is it bad for business, it is immoral.

http://www.ohiolandlordtenant.com/faq1.html
that's absolutely what i was looking for. thank you much.:beerme:

Ravenlord
08-13-2006, 02:32 PM
and now i've just been shocked by the breaker box.

Unassisted
08-13-2006, 11:50 PM
Start making your complaints to the landlord in writing with dated correspondence and registered letters, Ravenlord, and keep copies. With a paper trail, you can more easily make the case that you are entitled to back rent.

TeamCasey
08-14-2006, 05:37 AM
I get out of there as soon as you can for fear of a short and a fire.

REDREAD
08-14-2006, 09:51 PM
What amperage is the breaker? It sounds like they undersized the circuit.
I'm not suggesting that you replace it with another but maybe you could suggest that they upgrade the breaker and the wiring which leads from the breaker to the water heater if necessary.

That's probably the problem. The water heater is constantly pulling more current than the breaker is sized for.

Ravenlord
08-14-2006, 10:56 PM
after getting the signatures of the other seven tenants in this building,and having long 'discussion' with the landlord today, i forced her to call an electrician in front of me and give him instructions to repair the breaker regardless of cost. we'll see how it goes tomorrow.

Ravenlord
08-14-2006, 10:58 PM
What amperage is the breaker? It sounds like they undersized the circuit. i have no idea. there are chimps with better mechanical aptitude than me.

Ravenlord
08-14-2006, 10:58 PM
I get out of there as soon as you can for fear of a short and a fire.
not really a problem...everything here is made of brick and the ceilings/floors are concrete.

Falls City Beer
08-14-2006, 11:12 PM
not really a problem...everything here is made of brick and the ceilings/floors are concrete.

Doesn't mean a fire can't start. Sounds like your landlord needs to have his skull rearranged.

Ravenlord
08-14-2006, 11:22 PM
Doesn't mean a fire can't start.
the room would actually have to blow up. outside of a few plastic pieces about the utility room, it's pretty much flame retarded.


Sounds like your landlord needs to have his skull rearranged.the look she gave me when it finally occured to her that the courts, not her bosses, would actually be getting the rent from this building was priceless. :laugh:
a perfect mixture of complete hatered, terror, and bewilderment.:D

RedFanAlways1966
08-15-2006, 07:47 AM
Reminds me of a Joe Pesci film...

Jpup
08-15-2006, 08:02 AM
My landlord doesn't fix anything either, but I have figured out a way to get things fixed. I just call whoever I want to fix the problem, pay for it, and then take it off my rent. I make copies of receipts and give a copy to the landlord. What can he say? I've never had a problem since.

Ravenlord
08-16-2006, 02:49 PM
after two days, the electricians think they've fixed it once and for all. apperently they were surprised that all the circuits weren't blowing beause of the kind of wires and the way they were wired. the two of them nearly got into a fistfight arguing over what the problem was.

so for the moment, we actually have hot water.:)

RedsFan75
08-16-2006, 03:00 PM
My landlord doesn't fix anything either, but I have figured out a way to get things fixed. I just call whoever I want to fix the problem, pay for it, and then take it off my rent. I make copies of receipts and give a copy to the landlord. What can he say? I've never had a problem since.

As a landlord I would be perfectly fine with this arrangement as long as I knew about the repair/item needing repair. My problem was I didn't hear anything was wrong. The tenant would never notify me of any issues. One day the HVAC repair service truck was pulled up outside the rental. I didn't know anything was wrong with the AC. The repair man tells me that the tenant had tried to change out the thermostat and shorted a couple things. When pressed the tenant told me that it hadn't been working properly. He had never told me. He paid for the HVAC call as he had done the damage, but it could have all been prevented if he'd said something.

Not an issue anymore as somehow the electrical shorted in the wall/ceiling above their microwave and burned my rental house.

Now I have a whole other set of issues!

Roy Tucker
08-16-2006, 03:44 PM
Beware, we have ways of dealing with water problems...

REDREAD
08-17-2006, 04:13 AM
i have no idea. there are chimps with better mechanical aptitude than me.

Never mind, I see you got it fixed. Glad it worked out :)