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Wheelhouse
08-13-2006, 11:59 AM
Will Michalick (sp.) stay up and make another start? I didn't see that question referred to anywhere...

jmble
08-13-2006, 12:48 PM
I don't see him going down after yesterday's performance. Especially with the move of sending EZ down and bringing up Shackleford.

Whether he makes a start, is anyone's guess at this time.

I personally think it's a toss up between him and Franklin. Narron will pick one. If they have a good start, he will be a genius, and if they have a bad start, he will have picked the wrong guy.

Highlifeman21
08-13-2006, 12:56 PM
I think Michalak will stay up, but I don't want to see him make another start. I would lay a solid bet down that a lack of scouting report helped his cause last night, and once he got thru the lineup once, they had figured him and his 80 mph fastball out. Ryan Howard says hi, btw, and Michalak should be asking Narron why he left him out there that long.

Put him in the pen, he'll fit in nicely with the over 30 crowd.

Hoosier Red
08-13-2006, 01:00 PM
I didn't see the game(well except for Howards home run, that was a nice time to tune in) but that was the only run he gave up in 6 2/3.
He got through the lineup twice and that was the only real blemish on his mark.
Was he giving up other hard hit balls before that?
Great move by Narron to leave him out there. He was able to get the win, and the bullpen is basically reset now.

princeton
08-13-2006, 01:03 PM
Michalak should be asking Narron why he left him out there that long.

coddle thy journeymen

RedFanAlways1966
08-13-2006, 01:20 PM
I would lay a solid bet down that a lack of scouting report helped his cause last night, and once he got thru the lineup once, they had figured him and his 80 mph fastball out. Ryan Howard says hi, btw, and Michalak should be asking Narron why he left him out there that long.


Wow... nothing like a little negativity after the guy's 1st appearance. All that good pitching from the man and we have to throw in the one at-bat that went bad. 1 at-bat mind you in 6.2 IP. I just hate it when a guy gives up ONE SOLO HR in 6.2 IP. That kind of work should be heavily criticized and demands for a demotion to single-A ball.

Guess what? Chris Michalak says hi to the entire Philadelphia lineup. And says hi to all REDS fans... even the negative ones. And after that horrible performance I say hi and welcome to him. I must be blind b/c I saw a great outing by the man. I have tried really hard to harp on ONE bad at-bat in 6.2 IP, but I would not want to come off as a crass person who cannot find a reason to hate Jerry Narron after that game. Hmmmm.... imagine that?!?

Thank you, Michalak. Thank you for being put on the spot and delivering like a professional. And thank you for allowing the REDS team to win that game last night. Yes, you were the reason the REDS won that game.

reds44
08-13-2006, 01:25 PM
Wow... nothing like a little negativity after the guy's 1st appearance. All that good pitching from the man and we have to throw in the one at-bat that went bad. 1 at-bat mind you in 6.2 IP. I just hate it when a guy gives up ONE SOLO HR in 6.2 IP. That kind of work should be heavily criticized and demands for a demotion to single-A ball.

Guess what? Chris Michalak says hi to the entire Philadelphia lineup. And says hi to all REDS fans... even the negative ones. And after that horrible performance I say hi and welcome to him. I must be blind b/c I saw a great outing by the man. I have tried really hard to harp on ONE bad at-bat in 6.2 IP, but I would not want to come off as a crass person who cannot find a reason to hate Jerry Narron after that game. Hmmmm.... imagine that?!?

Thank you, Michalak. Thank you for being put on the spot and delivering like a professional. And thank you for allowing the REDS team to win that game last night. Yes, you were the reason the REDS won that game.
He saved our butt yesterday, but he has worse stuff then Dave Williams did. It's only a matter of time before he gets beat down.

cincrazy
08-13-2006, 01:27 PM
I was at work while watching the game, so maybe I'm a little off base in saying this since I didn't get to see every minute of it, but I don't remember seeing anyone hit a ball hard off of Michalak other than that Howard home run.

RedFanAlways1966
08-13-2006, 01:47 PM
He saved our butt yesterday, but he has worse stuff then Dave Williams did. It's only a matter of time before he gets beat down.

I will not argue that at all, reds44. However, to hear a neg comment like the one above is nearing ridiculous. After that game all that can be said is luck & of course the mention of one at-bat. One at-bat with no one on base. No mention of a great game by the guy called up hours before the game. No mention of 6.2 IP and only 1 ER. No mention of ONLY 3 days rest by the man. Just mention of 1 at-bat out of about 27 batters. Did I mention how ridiculous that is of a "REDS fan" to say?

The REDS win 9-7. The REDS get bailed out by a no-name pitcher who had to rush to Philly for the game. The REDS won. And some want to mention the 1 at-bat by Howard that equated to ONE whole run. Did I mention that it is ridiculous?!? :)

If people want to say that he should not start a game, I am fine with it. But to throw out Howard's ONE at-bat for that reason is.... well, ridiculous!

Dunner44
08-13-2006, 01:52 PM
Michalak deserves to stay in the Bigs, but as the long guy. Franklin has better stuff, and has pitched as a starter in the big leagues for a considerable amount of time. Michalak benefits from teams not scouting him, so move him to the long spot.

redsmetz
08-13-2006, 02:09 PM
Ryan Howard says hi, btw

Jeez, Howard hit his 40th home run for the season, there are a fair number of pitchers who have given up those home runs to him.

keeganbrick
08-13-2006, 02:54 PM
Wow... nothing like a little negativity after the guy's 1st appearance. All that good pitching from the man and we have to throw in the one at-bat that went bad. 1 at-bat mind you in 6.2 IP. I just hate it when a guy gives up ONE SOLO HR in 6.2 IP. That kind of work should be heavily criticized and demands for a demotion to single-A ball.

Guess what? Chris Michalak says hi to the entire Philadelphia lineup. And says hi to all REDS fans... even the negative ones. And after that horrible performance I say hi and welcome to him. I must be blind b/c I saw a great outing by the man. I have tried really hard to harp on ONE bad at-bat in 6.2 IP, but I would not want to come off as a crass person who cannot find a reason to hate Jerry Narron after that game. Hmmmm.... imagine that?!?

Thank you, Michalak. Thank you for being put on the spot and delivering like a professional. And thank you for allowing the REDS team to win that game last night. Yes, you were the reason the REDS won that game.
:beerme:

Highlifeman21
08-13-2006, 05:34 PM
Wow... nothing like a little negativity after the guy's 1st appearance. All that good pitching from the man and we have to throw in the one at-bat that went bad. 1 at-bat mind you in 6.2 IP. I just hate it when a guy gives up ONE SOLO HR in 6.2 IP. That kind of work should be heavily criticized and demands for a demotion to single-A ball.

Guess what? Chris Michalak says hi to the entire Philadelphia lineup. And says hi to all REDS fans... even the negative ones. And after that horrible performance I say hi and welcome to him. I must be blind b/c I saw a great outing by the man. I have tried really hard to harp on ONE bad at-bat in 6.2 IP, but I would not want to come off as a crass person who cannot find a reason to hate Jerry Narron after that game. Hmmmm.... imagine that?!?

Thank you, Michalak. Thank you for being put on the spot and delivering like a professional. And thank you for allowing the REDS team to win that game last night. Yes, you were the reason the REDS won that game.

It's not negativity at all, it's the truth.

Michalak looked good the first time thru the Phillies lineup b/c they'd never seen him. The 2nd lap, they started to hit him a little harder, including the Howard HR. I love the guy for what he gave us last night, probably the definition of scrappy so far in 2006, but he's not a good solution for us more than what he gave us last night.

If you saw a great outing, then you were caught up in the smoke and mirrors. I was there in person, and kept looking up to CF to see who we had up in the pen, and Narron left him in too long. I was waiting for the Michalak wheels to fall off at anytime. He was throwing junk all night, and for 6 2/3, it somehow worked.

It was easy to find a reason to hate Narron for last night, b/c we won in spite of him. The night before, he trots 9 of our arms to the mound, Ramirez lastly, and then starts Ramirez last night as a sacrificial lamb. Michalak comes in to be Ramirez's savior, and then Narron leaves him in too long. Michalak should have never pitched the 8th inning last night. Again, a reason for me to hate Jerry Narron. Blows thru our bullpen the previous night to leave us with limited options for last night. Great managing.

With 12 pitchers, you'd think that Narron would know how to give himself better options... I guess that's wishful thinking.

keeganbrick
08-13-2006, 05:38 PM
It's not negativity at all, it's the truth.

Michalak looked good the first time thru the Phillies lineup b/c they'd never seen him. The 2nd lap, they started to hit him a little harder, including the Howard HR. I love the guy for what he gave us last night, probably the definition of scrappy so far in 2006, but he's not a good solution for us more than what he gave us last night.

If you saw a great outing, then you were caught up in the smoke and mirrors. I was there in person, and kept looking up to CF to see who we had up in the pen, and Narron left him in too long. I was waiting for the Michalak wheels to fall off at anytime. He was throwing junk all night, and for 6 2/3, it somehow worked.

It was easy to find a reason to hate Narron for last night, b/c we won in spite of him. The night before, he trots 9 of our arms to the mound, Ramirez lastly, and then starts Ramirez last night as a sacrificial lamb. Michalak comes in to be Ramirez's savior, and then Narron leaves him in too long. Michalak should have never pitched the 8th inning last night. Again, a reason for me to hate Jerry Narron. Blows thru our bullpen the previous night to leave us with limited options for last night. Great managing.

With 12 pitchers, you'd think that Narron would know how to give himself better options... I guess that's wishful thinking.
Be real, just because he throws slow doesnt mean his stuff is all junk, especially last night.

gilpdawg
08-13-2006, 06:45 PM
He didn't strike out a batter, IIRC, which probably means he got a little help from the BABIP gods.

JTMONEY
08-13-2006, 06:51 PM
he better get another start because after that performance narron cant deny another start to him ( 6 2/3 and 1 run, narron better let him start)

OldRed1966
08-13-2006, 06:57 PM
I don't know what kind of stuff that Michalak has, but he was impressive last night, and Rick Sweet has said that he has been the Bats best pitcher all year long. I think he deserves a start.

ThatPitchIsDunn
08-14-2006, 11:21 AM
He didn't strike out a batter, IIRC, which probably means he got a little help from the BABIP gods.

Exactly. Let's ask Gary Majewski how long that pitching to contact works out for ya.

That being said, I loved his effort the other night as it was SORELY needed to eat up some innings. If Hammond could find a semi-effective role in the BP for a while, I don't have a problem with Michalak in certain situations. Starting is a whole other story though. Let Franklin be the 4 or 5 (depending on what we're calling Lohse) or bring up Dumatrait.

princeton
08-14-2006, 11:27 AM
He didn't strike out a batter, IIRC, which probably means he got a little help from the BABIP gods.

IIRC, there was a shot caught by EdE, but for the most part the balls in play dribbled about 30 feet. If anything, I thought that he was unlucky, not lucky.

weird performance. it was like he was a knuckleballer

Heath
08-14-2006, 11:38 AM
weird performance. it was like he was a knuckleballer

a nice change of space.

How about Franklin starts - he goes 3 or 4 innings and Michalak comes in and goes 4 or 5. That's almost a quality start.