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reds44
08-14-2006, 08:27 PM
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060814/SPT04/608140397/1071


PHILADELPHIA - Chris Michalak waited more than four years to pitch in the major leagues again.

Based on the way the veteran left-hander performed in long relief during Saturday's win against the Phillies, the wait won't be so long the next time.

Reds manager Jerry Narron said Sunday there is a "good chance" Michalak will start against the Pirates on either Friday or Saturday at Great American Ball Park. Ryan Franklin might also be considered.


"If that's the direction they want to go then I'm all for it," Michalak said.

Brought up from Triple-A Louisville before Saturday's game, the 35-year-old relieved Elizardo Ramirez with one out in the second inning and held the Phillies to one run over the next 6 2/3 innings for his first win since Sept. 2, 2001 with the Rangers.

Michalak's last major league start came with the Blue Jays on July 15, 2001 at Shea Stadium. He allowed three earned runs over 4 1/3 innings in a loss against the Mets.

"A guy that's persevered, put the time in like he has, it's awesome," Narron said. "This spring he backed up a lot of games, didn't get in very many, but really had a great attitude."

Well at least it is against the Pirates, but I will go on record and say I don't like this one bit. It is a matter of when, not if he gets pounded.

redsmetz
08-14-2006, 09:38 PM
Why oh why oh why do some many people around here assume that every pitcher we bring up is going to be a dog? I dont' even understand why you bother rooting for this team because you're always down on anything they do.

Sheesh!

[Note, that is a plural "you" meant generally for the larger group of naysayers and not this poster in particular]

captainmorgan07
08-14-2006, 09:44 PM
i hope the guy goes out and pitches well to show some of his na sayers how it is

reds44
08-14-2006, 09:47 PM
Why oh why oh why do some many people around here assume that every pitcher we bring up is going to be a dog? I dont' even understand why you bother rooting for this team because you're always down on anything they do.

Sheesh!

[Note, that is a plural "you" meant generally for the larger group of naysayers and not this poster in particular]
I don't. I was excited when Elizardo and Germano came up. However Michalak is a 35 year old journeyman minor league pitcher with below average stuff.

Not exactly something to do backflips about.

redsrule2500
08-14-2006, 10:09 PM
I don't. I was excited when Elizardo and Germano came up. However Michalak is a 35 year old journeyman minor league pitcher with below average stuff.

Not exactly something to do backflips about.


Doesn't mean he can't win a game.

"HE'S 35 HE'S GOTTA SUCK" - ignorant.

reds44
08-14-2006, 10:17 PM
Doesn't mean he can't win a game.

"HE'S 35 HE'S GOTTA SUCK" - ignorant.
How is it ignorant? How many 35 year old junkball pitchers who have been in the minors the last 4 years and have pitched in 153 innings in their big league career turn out to be decent big league pitchers?

redsfan30
08-14-2006, 10:20 PM
How is it ignorant? How many 35 year old junkball pitchers who have been in the minors the last 4 years and have pitched in 153 innings in their big league career turn out to be decent big league pitchers?
Nobody's asking him to be a long term solution. He's a guy that can give you an emergency start and since nobody's familiar with him he can be successful, just like he was Saturday.

kbrake
08-14-2006, 10:24 PM
Nobody's asking him to be a long term solution. He's a guy that can give you an emergency start and since nobody's familiar with him he can be successful, just like he was Saturday.

Thats why Reds44 said it was a matter of when not if he gets pounded. Its not a real big deal to give the guy one start but how long until he does get rocked?

reds44
08-14-2006, 10:25 PM
Thats why Reds44 said it was a matter of when not if he gets pounded. Its not a real big deal to give the guy one start but how long until he does get rocked?
And when you are in a pennant race and every game counts, can you afford to play the dice when you know it's only a matter of time before you come up snake eyes?

Fullboat
08-14-2006, 10:30 PM
I would pitch Michalak vs the Cards,they of the 17-30 vs Leftys
Cards.

kbrake
08-14-2006, 10:33 PM
And when you are in a pennant race and every game counts, can you afford to play the dice when you know it's only a matter of time before you come up snake eyes?

Exactly its like people are willing to give a game away as long as it is only one. I think Michalak will ok agaisnt the Pirates I just think Narron is playing with fire and that usually leads to Narron getting burned.

RedsMan3203
08-14-2006, 10:37 PM
Lets roll the clock back to last year.... The Yankees are all over the place... They need a starter...

WHo is it? Aaron Small - A old minor league jounyman.... Maybe Michalak will have the same effects...


btw - If it wasn't for small last year... The Yanks probably would of missed the playoffs.. correct?

kbrake
08-14-2006, 10:38 PM
I'm not saying the guy should never be allowed to pitch, I just dont really trust Narron and hope that he does not just blindly run this guy out there start after start.

reds44
08-14-2006, 10:44 PM
Lets roll the clock back to last year.... The Yankees are all over the place... They need a starter...

WHo is it? Aaron Small - A old minor league jounyman.... Maybe Michalak will have the same effects...


btw - If it wasn't for small last year... The Yanks probably would of missed the playoffs.. correct?
Fair enough.

I wouldn't expect Michalak to do it though.

redsmetz
08-14-2006, 10:48 PM
I'm not saying the guy should never be allowed to pitch, I just dont really trust Narron and hope that he does not just blindly run this guy out there start after start.

And this is one of my bones of contention. Far too many folks on Reds Zone assume Narron's a total moron and is making decisions because he couldn't think his way out of a paper bag. And yet this team has had some success and we are frankly, cobbling together a staff to get us through to the end of the season. I'm at least going to hope the guy can do the job instead of constantly assuming that it's "crash and burn" time just around the corner.

Certainly 35 is towards the end of the line, pariticularly if you're a journeyman like Michalak, but if we can get a month and a half of good baseball out of him, great! That's what I'm wanting.

reds44
08-14-2006, 10:49 PM
Certainly 35 is towards the end of the line, pariticularly if you're a journeyman like Michalak, but if we can get a month and a half of good baseball out of him, great! That's what I'm wanting.
And what tells you that he is going to pitch well for a month in a half?

redsmetz
08-14-2006, 10:54 PM
And what tells you that he is going to pitch well for a month in a half?

I didn't say he will, I said I want him to. There's the difference, you seem to be among the crowd that wait night after night for the Reds, particularly their pitchers, to fail. I'm anxious for them to succeed. I might be disappointed, but I like that approach better than the doom and gloom.

LoganBuck
08-15-2006, 12:12 AM
At this point in the season, all we can do is sit back and enjoy the story. This is kind of like Bull Durham, except at the end of the movie Crash get a September callup for one short blaze of glory. I know that I am going to root as hard as I can for Chris because that is all I really can do. This is the stuff they make movies about lets enjoy it................................................ ...... if we can.

cumberlandreds
08-15-2006, 06:48 AM
Michalak deserves a chance to start after his performance against the Phils. He could be the Reds Aaron Small this season. At least one can hope so.

puca
08-15-2006, 07:06 AM
Considering the alternatives...why not?

Good luck Chris!

Jpup
08-15-2006, 07:51 AM
And when you are in a pennant race and every game counts, can you afford to play the dice when you know it's only a matter of time before you come up snake eyes?

what other choice do they have?

flyer85
08-15-2006, 09:01 AM
Nobody's asking him to be a long term solution. He's a guy that can give you an emergency start and since nobody's familiar with him he can be successful, just like he was Saturday.Randy Keisler says hello

BRM
08-15-2006, 09:19 AM
Don't the Pirates hit lefties better than righties? I figured Franklin would get the start on Saturday.

registerthis
08-15-2006, 09:26 AM
what other choice do they have?

Exactly. If you're pulling your hair out over Michalak getting the start, whom would you prefer to see go?

flyer85
08-15-2006, 09:31 AM
Don't the Pirates hit lefties better than righties? with Casey gone all their best hitters are RH.

BRM
08-15-2006, 11:45 AM
with Casey gone all their best hitters are RH.

Wouldn't Franklin make more sense then? Maybe not. Neither choice is a particularly good one but what other options are there?

Tony Cloninger
08-15-2006, 12:07 PM
He could be the 1987 version of Guy Hoffman and the 1999 version of Steve Parris.

At worst....he is a 1977 Doug Capilla or a 1987 Jerry Reuss.

registerthis
08-15-2006, 12:17 PM
a 1987 Jerry Reuss.

The picture on Jerry's 1987 Topps card was awful. He looked like he was about 70 years old.

Tony Cloninger
08-15-2006, 12:28 PM
Even worse......was the fact that after the Reds released him....he went to the White Sox...and then pitched a CG shutout on his first start for them.

New leauge helped him out big time.

Or was it the Reds pitching coaches fault?

savafan
08-15-2006, 12:44 PM
The picture on Jerry's 1987 Topps card was awful. He looked like he was about 70 years old.

Ha...I always thought that too!

Doc. Scott
08-15-2006, 12:58 PM
Two conditions would have to be met before I'd consider starting Michalak. I'd use him in relief otherwise.

1) The team he's to face needs to not have a preponderance of good right-handed hitting.

2) They can't know he's coming.

So the Pirates don't qualify.

What I'd wish Narron would consider doing is announcing a different pitcher, say, a returning Matt Belisle, as the starter in advance of game day. Then, Michalak can warm up in the clubhouse and Belisle can be a "late scratch". Or Matt can come in for one or two innings, something like that. The opposition loads up on the lefties, then gets to face Frisbee most of the game.

It's been awhile since we've seen a manager pull off the ol' switcheroo like that. And I think Belisle and Michalak are perfect candidates. But I'm sure Narron would feel his membership in the Fraternal Society of Backslappin' Baseball Men would be compromised for such a dastardly action.

puca
08-15-2006, 01:10 PM
Wouldn't Franklin make more sense then? Maybe not. Neither choice is a particularly good one but what other options are there?


Just so we understand...the Phillies chose to keep Rick White over Ryan Franklin.

One man's garbage and all.

As a reliever Franklin may be serviceable - middle relievers are a bit of a crap-shoot anyhow - as a stater, let's just say I'd rather not find out. Chris has the advantage that he is not very well scouted. On the other hand, since much of the Pirates lineup recently played at AAA they may already be familiar with him.

flyer85
08-15-2006, 01:14 PM
I'm not sure the Reds have a good option for the remainder of the season. I wouldn't mind seeing Belisle get a shot. he certainly has better stuff than the others.