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5TimeWSChamps
08-14-2006, 09:58 PM
He is a free agent, and could conceivably be the final piece to the infield puzzle. Depending on how this year goes, I doubt Aurilia, Castro, or Royce are back and we don't really have a solid SS in Louisville.

I think it would be a smart pickup. Gives us more speed and he is solid defensively

Thoughts?

jamess697
08-14-2006, 09:59 PM
No thanks, we already have Royce Clayton!

Puig Your Red
08-14-2006, 10:00 PM
Phillips is going to be our SS next year, that much I can assure you.


IMO if we can get Griffey to move to RF, we should try to get a good 2nd baseman or CFer. Whichever one we get, Freel plays the other position.

flyer85
08-14-2006, 10:01 PM
no

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
08-14-2006, 10:27 PM
no
caveman post of the year

Mario-Rijo
08-14-2006, 11:09 PM
I think the thing you are missing is that he is not a good defender. At one point I was willing to take him on for the remainder of this season for the right deal, get some draft picks at the end of the season when someone else signed him and move on. But to sign him to a LTC in the neighborhood of 50 mill over 4-5 years, for a guy who is not a good defender and whom is already around 32 years old is not wise. Now if he would take less and play 2nd I would consider it.

REDREAD
08-14-2006, 11:12 PM
He's asking for an 8 million/year multiyear contract. No thanks.

keeganbrick
08-14-2006, 11:46 PM
Lets just grab Hunter for cheaper and move Freel to 2nd:devil:

Johnny Footstool
08-14-2006, 11:50 PM
By all metrics, he's only slightly better with the glove than Felipe Lopez.

RedsFanatic
08-14-2006, 11:56 PM
Here is the list of FA




Click table header to sort the complete list by category
For options, T signifies team option, P signifies player option, M signifies mutual option and T/P signifies team and player option available.

Player Team Position Roster Service Agent Age Option
Antonio Alfonseca Texas Rangers RHRP FA 8.047 Juan Iglesias 34
Edgardo Alfonzo New York Mets 3B Minors 10 Peter Greenberg 32
Sandy Alomar Jr. Chicago White Sox C 25-man 16.047 John Boggs 40
Moises Alou San Francisco Giants RF 25-man 15.037 Fernando Cuza 40 P
Tony Armas Jr. Washington Nationals RHSP 25-man 6.001 Diego Bentz 28
Pedro Astacio Washington Nationals RHSP 25-man 12.073 Steve Schnieder 36
Rich Aurilia Cincinnati Reds 3B 25-man 10.027 Barry Axelrod 34 M
Jeff Bagwell Houston Astros 1B 60-Day 15 Barry Axelrod 38 T
Paul Bako Kansas City Royals C 25-man 7.14 Barry Meister 34
Rod Barajas Texas Rangers C 25-man 5 Danny Horwits, Dan Lozano 30
Miguel Batista Arizona Diamondbacks RHSP 25-man 8.045 Martin Arburua 35
Tony Batista Minnesota Twins 3B FA 8.072 Andy Mota 32
David Bell Milwaukee Brewers 3B 25-man 10.048 Joe Bick, Reich, Katz and Landis 33
Mark Bellhorn San Diego Padres 3B 25-man 5.117 Mark Rodgers 31
Ronnie Belliard St. Louis Cardinals 2B 25-man 6.162 31
Gary Bennett St. Louis Cardinals C 25-man 6.133 34
Craig Biggio Houston Astros 2B 25-man 17.099 Barry Axelrod 40
Henry Blanco Chicago Cubs C 25-man 7.136 Steve Schneider 34
Geoff Blum San Diego Padres 3B 25-man 6.056 33
Barry Bonds San Francisco Giants LF 25-man 19.129 Jeff Borris/None 42
Aaron Boone Cleveland Indians 3B 25-man 7.039 Reich, Katz and Landis 33 M
Joe Borowski Florida Marlins RHRP 25-man 5.123 35
Chad Bradford New York Mets RHRP 25-man 5.075 Rex Gary 31
Doug Brocail San Diego Padres RHRP 25-man 11.134 39
Jim Brower Florida Marlins RHRP Minors 5.129 Rex Gary 33
Mark Buerhle Chicago White Sox LHSP 25-man 5.078 Jeff Berry 27 T
Jeromy Burnitz Pittsburgh Pirates RF 25-man 11.064 Howard Simon 37 M
Miguel Cairo New York Yankees 2B 15-Day 8.028 Sam and Seth Levinson 32
Mike Cameron San Diego Padres CF 25-man 9.036 Mike Nicotera, Gene Casaleggio 33 T
Sean Casey Detroit Tigers 1B 25-man 7.171 Ron Shapiro 32
Vinny Castilla Colorado Rockies 3B Minors 13.056 Eric Goldschmidt 39
Luis Castillo Minnesota Twins 2B 25-man 8.055 Sam and Seth Levinson 30 T
Juan Castro Cincinnati Reds SS 25-man 9.024 Oscar Suarez 34 T
Frank Catalanotto Toronto Blue Jays LF 25-man 7.171 Alan Nero 32
Bruce Chen Baltimore Orioles LHSP 25-man 5.053 Scott Boras 29
Jeff Cirillo Milwaukee Brewers 3B 25-man 11.064 Jeff Borris 36
Royce Clayton Cincinnati Reds SS 25-man 13.132 Rick Licht, Ken Felder 36
Roger Clemens Houston Astros RHSP 25-man 20.142 Randy and Alan Hendricks 44
Jeff Conine Baltimore Orioles 1B 25-man 13.079 Joe McIntosh, Michael Watkins 40 M
Alex Cora Boston Red Sox SS 25-man 6.161 30
Francisco Cordero Milwaukee Brewers RHRP 25-man 6.046 Bean Stringfellow 31 T
Craig Counsell Arizona Diamondbacks SS 15-Day 8.037 Barry Meister 35
Jacob Cruz New York Mets RF Minors 6.037 33
Jose Cruz Jr. Los Angeles Dodgers LF FA 8.063 Randy and Alan Hendricks 32
Vic Darensbourg Cleveland Indians LHRP Minors 5.141 35
Mike DeJean Colorado Rockies RHRP 15-Day 8.145 Mike Moye, Mils Shoda 35 M
David Dellucci Philadelphia Phillies LF 25-man 7.097 Gregg Clifton 32
Mark DeRosa Texas Rangers 2B 25-man 5.061 Lonnie Cooper 31
Octavio Dotel New York Yankees RHRP 15-Day 6.113 Danny Horwits 32
Erubiel Durazo Minnesota Twins 1B FA 5.071 Diego Bentz 31
Ray Durham San Francisco Giants 2B 25-man 11 Ed Setlik 34
Jermaine Dye Chicago White Sox RF 25-man 9.084 Bob Bry 32 T
Ramon E. Martinez Los Angeles Dodgers SS 25-man 7.017 Alan Nero 33
Damion Easley Arizona Diamondbacks 2B 25-man 12.117 Paul Cohen 36
Adam Eaton Texas Rangers RHSP 25-man 5.125 Jim Lindell 28
Jim Edmonds St. Louis Cardinals CF 25-man 12.027 Paul Cohen 36 T
Joey Eischen Washington Nationals LHRP 60-Day 6.103 Alan Nero 36
Alan Embree San Diego Padres LHRP 25-man 11.059 Chris Leible, Michael Maas 36
Scott Erickson New York Yankees RHSP FA 15.031 38
Darin Erstad Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim CF 15-Day 9.077 Greg Genske 32
Shawn Estes San Diego Padres LHSP 15-Day 9.101 Dave Meier 33
Carl Everett Seattle Mariners DH FA 11.051 Larry Reynolds 35
Pedro Feliz San Francisco Giants 3B 25-man 5.031 31
Robert Fick Washington Nationals C 15-Day 6.162 Joe Longo 32
Steve Finley San Francisco Giants CF 25-man 17 Tommy Tanzer 41 T
Cliff Floyd New York Mets LF 15-Day 11.17 Sam and Seth Levinson 33
Keith Foulke Boston Red Sox RHRP 15-Day 8.094 Danny Horwits 33 M
Ryan Franklin Cincinnati Reds RHRP 25-man 5.022 Jay Franklin 33
Aaron Fultz Philadelphia Phillies LHRP 25-man 5.127 32
Eric Gagne Los Angeles Dodgers CL 15-Day 5.119 Scott Boras 30 T
Nomar Garciaparra Los Angeles Dodgers 1B 25-man 9.03 Arn Tellem 33
Tom Glavine New York Mets LHSP 25-man 18.052 Gregg Clifton 40 T/P
Chris Gomez Baltimore Orioles 2B 25-man 12.041 Alan Meersand 35
Luis Gonzalez Arizona Diamondbacks LF 25-man 15.032 Greg Genske, Terry Bross 38 M
Alex Gonzalez Boston Red Sox SS 25-man 7.034 Eric Goldschmidt 29
Jeremi Gonzalez Milwaukee Brewers RHRP 25-man 5.097 31
Alex S. Gonzalez Philadelphia Phillies 3B Retired 11.055 Jim Bronner 33
Tony Graffanino Milwaukee Brewers 3B 25-man 8.125 Dan Lozano, Jeff Borris 34
Todd Greene San Francisco Giants C 25-man 6.155 Mike Nicotera 35
Jason Grimsley Arizona Diamondbacks RHRP FA 10.149 Joe Bick 39
Mark Grudzielanek Kansas City Royals 2B 25-man 10.129 Sam and Seth Levinson 36 P
Eddie Guardado Cincinnati Reds LHRP 25-man 11.141 Kevin Kohler 35
Jose Guillen Washington Nationals RF 15-Day 8.051 Gregg Clifton (fired Andy Mota and Adam Katz) 30
Jerry Hairston Jr. Texas Rangers 2B 25-man 5.138 Casey Close 30
John Halama Baltimore Orioles LHRP FA 7.034 34
Chris Hammond Cincinnati Reds LHRP FA 11.067 Bo McKinnis 40
LaTroy Hawkins Baltimore Orioles RHRP 25-man 9.054 Larry Reynolds 33
Rick Helling Milwaukee Brewers RHSP 25-man 8.035 35
Wes Helms Florida Marlins 3B 25-man 6.018 Lonnie Cooper 30
Matt Herges Florida Marlins RHRP 25-man 5.065 36
Dustin Hermanson Chicago White Sox RHRP 15-Day 9.106 Casey Close 33 T
Roberto Hernandez New York Mets RHRP 25-man 14.02 Randy and Alan Hendricks 41
Orlando Hernandez New York Mets RHSP 25-man 7.117 Greg Genske 36
Jose Hernandez Pittsburgh Pirates SS 25-man 12.069 Scott Boras 37
Richard Hidalgo New York Yankees RF MFA 7.029 Peter Greenberg 31
Shea Hillenbrand San Francisco Giants 1B 25-man 5.034 Dan Lozano (fired Adam Katz) 31
Todd Hollandsworth Cincinnati Reds LF 25-man 11 33
Mike Holtz Boston Red Sox LHRP FA 5.147 33
Aubrey Huff Houston Astros 3B 25-man 5.003 29
Torii Hunter Minnesota Twins CF 25-man 6.135 Patrick Murphy 31 T
Damian Jackson Washington Nationals 2B 25-man 6.15 32
Kevin Jarvis Arizona Diamondbacks RHRP Minors 6 Barry Meister 37
Jason Johnson Boston Red Sox RHSP 25-man 7.14 Tommy Tanzer, Alan Nero 32 M
Brian Jordan Atlanta Braves 1B 60-Day 13.048 Jim Turner 39
Gabe Kapler Boston Red Sox RF 25-man 6.089 Paul Cohen 30
Steve Karsay Oakland Athletics RHRP Retired 10.025 Randy and Alan Hendricks 34
Adam Kennedy Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim 2B 25-man 6.045 30
Byung-Hyun Kim Colorado Rockies RHSP 25-man 6.009 Greg Genske, Victor Lee 27 T
Ray King Colorado Rockies LHRP 25-man 5.137 Dave Meier 32 T
Ryan Klesko San Diego Padres LF 15-Day 12.078 SFX 35 T
Steve Kline San Francisco Giants LHRP 25-man 8.115 33
Dan Kolb Milwaukee Brewers RHRP 25-man 5.119 Scott Boras 31
Tim Laker Cleveland Indians C Minors 5.138 36
Matt Lawton Seattle Mariners RF FA 9.169 Sam and Seth Levinson 34
Ricky Ledee New York Mets LF 25-man 7.023 Greg Genske 32
Travis Lee Tampa Bay Devil Rays 1B 25-man 8 Scott Boras 31
Carlos Lee Texas Rangers LF 25-man 6.15 Adam Katz 30
Cory Lidle New York Yankees RHSP 25-man 8.1 Jordan Feagan 34
Mike Lieberthal Philadelphia Phillies C 25-man 11.005 Arn Tellem 34
Ted Lilly Toronto Blue Jays LHSP 25-man 5.102 30
Jose Lima New York Mets RHSP Minors 9.149 Joe Klein 33
Kenny Lofton Los Angeles Dodgers CF 25-man 14.023 Casey Close 39
Terrence Long New York Yankees LF Minors 5.17 Casey Close 30
Javy Lopez Boston Red Sox C 25-man 12.066 Chuck Berry 35
Mark Loretta Boston Red Sox 2B 25-man 10.011 Bob Garber 35
Julio Lugo Los Angeles Dodgers SS 25-man 5.152 Jeff Borris 30
John Mabry Chicago Cubs RF 25-man 11.146 Dale Reichley 35
Greg Maddux Los Angeles Dodgers RHSP 25-man 19.021 Scott Boras 40
Matt Mantei Detroit Tigers RHRP MFA 9.131 Bob Garber 33
Jason Marquis St. Louis Cardinals RHSP 25-man 5.012 27
Eli Marrero New York Mets LF DFA 7.161 Sam and Seth Levinson 32
Tom Martin Colorado Rockies LHRP 25-man 7.049 36
Gary Matthews Jr. Texas Rangers CF 25-man 5.104 Danny Horwits 31
Joe Mays Cincinnati Reds RHSP Minors 6.157 Steve Hilliard, Joe Urbon 30
Quinton McCracken Minnesota Twins CF Minors 8.109 35
Joe McEwing Houston Astros 1B Minors 5.162 33
Brian Meadows Tampa Bay Devil Rays RHRP 25-man 6.076 Dan Horwits 30
Gil Meche Seattle Mariners RHSP 25-man 5.029 Greg Landry 27
Kent Mercker Cincinnati Reds LHRP 15-Day 14.148 Casey Close 38
Jose Mesa Colorado Rockies RHRP 25-man 15.028 Mitch Frankel 40 T
Doug Mientkiewicz Kansas City Royals 1B 15-Day 6.013 Greg Landry 32
Kevin Millar Baltimore Orioles 1B 25-man 7.136 Sam and Seth Levinson 34
Trever Miller Houston Astros LHRP 25-man 5.095 33 T
Damian Miller Milwaukee Brewers C 25-man 8.023 Bob Garber 36 T/P
Doug Mirabelli Boston Red Sox C 25-man 7.034 35
Brian Moehler Florida Marlins RHSP 25-man 8.01 Lonnie Cooper 34
Bengie Molina Toronto Blue Jays C 25-man 6.077 Alan Nero 32 M
Guillermo Mota Cleveland Indians RHRP DFA 5.159 Adam Katz 33
Jamie Moyer Seattle Mariners LHSP 25-man 17.126 Himself 43
Mark Mulder St. Louis Cardinals LHSP 15-Day 5.167 Gregg Clifton and Octagon Sports Mgt. 29
Terry Mulholland Arizona Diamondbacks LHRP FA 17.155 Joe Bick 43
Mike Mussina New York Yankees RHSP 25-man 14.066 Arn Tellem 37 T
Jeff Nelson Chicago White Sox RHRP 15-Day 12.135 Ron Shapiro, Jay Franklin 39
Phil Nevin Chicago Cubs 1B 25-man 9.113 Barry Axelrod 35
Trot Nixon Boston Red Sox RF 15-Day 7.044 Ron Shapiro 32
Greg Norton Tampa Bay Devil Rays 1B 25-man 7.006 Michael Moye 34
Tomo Ohka Milwaukee Brewers RHSP 25-man 5.07 Jim Masteralexis 30
Darren Oliver New York Mets LHRP 25-man 10.127 Jeff Frye, Jay Franklin 35
Ramon Ortiz Washington Nationals RHSP 25-man 5.14 Pat Roache 33
Vicente Padilla Texas Rangers RHSP 25-man 5.105 28
Chan Ho Park San Diego Padres RHSP 25-man 10.045 Scott Boras 33
Jay Payton Oakland Athletics LF 25-man 6.128 Reich, Katz and Landis 33
Troy Percival Detroit Tigers RHRP 60-Day 11 Paul Cohen 37
Eduardo Perez Seattle Mariners 1B 25-man 8.064 36 T
Tomas Perez Tampa Bay Devil Rays SS 25-man 7.14 32
Andy Pettitte Houston Astros LHSP 25-man 11 Randy and Alan Hendricks 34
Mike Piazza San Diego Padres C 25-man 13.034 Dan Lozano 37 M
Juan Pierre Chicago Cubs CF 25-man 5.056 Mark Pieper 29
Cliff Politte Chicago White Sox RHRP FA 5.154 32
Sidney Ponson New York Yankees RHSP 25-man 7.152 Barry Praver 29
Todd Pratt Atlanta Braves C 25-man 11.052 Himself (fired agent Peter Grosz after 2005 season) 39
Brad Radke Minnesota Twins RHSP 25-man 11 Ron Simon 33
Joe Randa Pittsburgh Pirates 3B 25-man 10.114 Ron Shapiro 36
Mark Redman Kansas City Royals LHSP 25-man 6.041 Casey Close 32
Desi Relaford St. Louis Cardinals SS MFA 8.015 Dan Lozano, Danny Horwits 32
Mike Remlinger Atlanta Braves LHRP FA 10.068 40
Dennys Reyes Minnesota Twins LHRP 25-man 6.133 Oscar Suarez 29
Arthur Rhodes Philadelphia Phillies LHRP 25-man 13.02 Dan Horwits 36
David Riske Chicago White Sox RHRP 25-man 5.116 29
Dave Roberts San Diego Padres LF 25-man 5.036 John Boggs 34
Felix Rodriguez Washington Nationals RHRP 60-Day 9 Fernando Cuza, Bob Bry 33
J.C. Romero Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim LHRP 25-man 5.055 Don Lozano 30 T
Tim Salmon Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim DH 25-man 12.045 Ted Updike 37
Julio Santana Philadelphia Phillies RHRP 60-Day 5.079 Scott Shapiro 32
Scott Sauerbeck Oakland Athletics LHRP 25-man 6 Adam Hubble 34
Jason Schmidt San Francisco Giants RHSP 25-man 10.063 Randy and Alan Hendricks 33
Scott Schoeneweis Toronto Blue Jays LHRP 25-man 6.111 Scott Boras 32
Rudy Seanez Boston Red Sox RHRP 25-man 10.123 David Schwartz 37 T
Aaron Sele Los Angeles Dodgers RHSP 25-man 12.052 Adam Katz 36
Gary Sheffield New York Yankees RF 15-Day 17.031 Himself (contract), Rufus Williams (PR) and Mead Chasky (marketing) and Scott Boras (former agent) 37 T
Ruben Sierra Minnesota Twins DH FA 16.085 Chuck Berry 40
John Smoltz Atlanta Braves RHSP 25-man 17.072 Lonnie Cooper 39 T
J.T. Snow Boston Red Sox 1B FA 12.121 Danny Horwits 38
Alfonso Soriano Washington Nationals LF 25-man 5.079 Diego Bentz 30
Justin Speier Toronto Blue Jays RHRP 15-Day 6.082 32
Scott Spiezio St. Louis Cardinals 3B 25-man 7.163 Barry Meister 33
Russ Springer Houston Astros RHRP 25-man 10.128 Randy and Alan Hendricks 37
Matt Stairs Texas Rangers RF 25-man 10.077 Bob Garber 38
Mike Stanton San Francisco Giants LHRP 25-man 16.039 Sam and Seth Levinson 39
Shannon Stewart Minnesota Twins LF 15-Day 8.121 Greg Genske 32
Kelly Stinnett New York Yankees C FA 10.119 36
Tanyon Sturtze New York Yankees RHRP 60-Day 6.083 35
Jeff Suppan St. Louis Cardinals RHSP 25-man 8.164 Scott Leventhal and Damon Lapa (fired agent Jeff Borris of agency BHSC) 31
Frank Thomas Oakland Athletics DH 25-man 15.063 Arn Tellem, Mike Moye 38
John Thomson Atlanta Braves RHSP 15-Day 8.061 Chris Arnold 32
Mike Timlin Boston Red Sox RHRP 25-man 15 Himself (Fired David Sloane as agent in Oct. 2005) 40
Steve Trachsel New York Mets RHSP 25-man 12.017 Sam and Seth Levinson 35
Michael Tucker New York Mets RF 25-man 10.116 Michael Moss 35
Javier Valentin Cincinnati Reds C 25-man 5.036 SFX 30
Jose Valentin New York Mets LF 25-man 12.058 David Elston 36
Ron Villone New York Yankees LHRP 25-man 9.112 Scott Boras 36
Jose Vizcaino San Francisco Giants SS 25-man 15.115 Adam Katz 38
Tim Wakefield Boston Red Sox RHSP 15-Day 12.006 Barry Meister 40 T
Jamie Walker Detroit Tigers LHRP 25-man 5.125 Phil Tannenbaum 35
Todd Walker San Diego Padres 1B 25-man 8.057 Alan Meersand, Greg Genske, Brian Carlin 33
Daryle Ward Washington Nationals 1B 25-man 6.044 31
John Wasdin Texas Rangers RHSP FA 7 34
David Weathers Cincinnati Reds RHRP 25-man 12.044 David Sloane 36
Jeff Weaver St. Louis Cardinals RHSP 25-man 6 Scott Boras 29
David Wells Boston Red Sox LHSP 25-man 18.019 Gregg Clifton and Wells' wife, Nina 43
Kip Wells Texas Rangers RHSP 25-man 5.116 29
Rondell White Minnesota Twins LF 15-Day 11.162 Sam and Seth Levinson 34 T
Rick White Philadelphia Phillies RHRP 25-man 9.051 Danny Horwits 37
Bob Wickman Atlanta Braves CL 25-man 13.043 Dick Moss 37
Chris Widger Baltimore Orioles C 25-man 8.034 35
Bernie Williams New York Yankees RF 25-man 13.168 Scott Boras 37
Woody Williams San Diego Padres RHSP 25-man 12.143 Barry Meister 39
Scott Williamson San Diego Padres RHRP 25-man 7 Greg Genske 30
Paul Wilson Cincinnati Reds RHSP 60-Day 8.008 Randy and Alan Hendricks 33 T
Vance Wilson Detroit Tigers C 25-man 5.028 33
Preston Wilson Houston Astros LF DFA 7.038 Bob Bry 32 T
Craig Wilson New York Yankees 1B 25-man 5 Steve Hillard 29
Randy Wolf Philadelphia Phillies LHSP 25-man 6.115 29
Tony Womack Chicago Cubs 2B FA 9.137 Sam and Seth Levinson 36
Kerry Wood Chicago Cubs RHSP 15-Day 7.169 Pat Rooney, Greg Landry (SFX) 29 M
Chris Woodward New York Mets 2B 25-man 5.153 30
Jamey Wright San Francisco Giants RHSP 25-man 7.11 Casey Close 31
Esteban Yan Kansas City Royals RHRP Minors 8.023 Alan Nero 31
Dmitri Young Detroit Tigers 1B 25-man 9.022 Adam Katz 32
Eric Young Texas Rangers LF Minors 13.067 Rick Thurman, Jim Turner 39
Gregg Zaun Toronto Blue Jays C 25-man 10.093 Danny Horwits 35
Barry Zito Oakland Athletics LHSP 25-man 5.072 Scott Boras 28



Assuming the new tv deal is true, we should have maybe 10 million to spend (is that to much?). A few names that intrigue me:

Miguel Batista
Joe Borowski
Mike Buerhle
Mike Cameron
Francisco Cordero
Jermaine Dye
Dustin Hermanson
Ted Lilly
Julio Lugo
Gil Meche
Jason Schmidt
Randy Wolf
Barry Zito

LINEDRIVER
08-15-2006, 12:00 AM
I just read a half-dozen articles on Julio Lugo being arrested in 2003 while a member of the Houston Astros. The Astros demoted him after his arrest and his contract was eventually traded to the Devil Rays.

This piece from Wikipedia sums up the gist of those articles. However, I read in one of the articles that Lugo was facing a year in jail until his wife recanted her story. Good thing for Julio that she finally remembered what really happened, huh? (wink-wink) The 'facing a year in jail' wasn't mentioned in this Wikipedia piece.

On April 30 2003, Lugo was arrested and charged with assulting his wife, Mabely Lugo outside of Minute Maid Park in Houston before playing the Atlanta Braves. Mabely was treated and released from a hospital, and filed a restraining order against Julio. Mabely originally contended that Julio punched her in the head and slammed her head into the windshield of their car. Julio contested that he was acting in self defense by blocking an attack by his wife, who hit herself and stumbled into the car, smashing her head into the windshield. Mabely later changed her story to coordinate with her husband's, and dropped the restraining order, however Julio was still tried in court accused of misdemeanor assault. Julio was eventually found not-guilty, and he has remained out of trouble since this incident.
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toledodan
08-15-2006, 01:44 AM
looks like we will be droping some bagage come the offseason.

Shaggy Sanchez
08-15-2006, 01:49 AM
Wow did you see all of the veteran catchers and relief pitchers on that list, Jerry Narron will have a field day.

RedsFanatic
08-15-2006, 01:59 AM
And scrappy infielders galore. The possibilities, Wes Helms, Todd Walker, Jose Vizquiano, Mark De Rosa.

FoReel
08-15-2006, 03:19 AM
No thanks, we already have Royce Clayton!
I seriously hope you are kidding, plus Royce's contract is done after this season, if Krivsky gives him a contract extension i will cry.

dougdirt
08-15-2006, 03:25 AM
plus Royce's contract is done after this season, if Krivsky gives him a contract extension i will cry.
If Krivsky gives him an extension I will attempt to have him committed to a mental institution.

Puig Your Red
08-15-2006, 03:29 AM
Here is the list of FA




Assuming the new tv deal is true, we should have maybe 10 million to spend (is that to much?). A few names that intrigue me:

Miguel Batista
Joe Borowski
Mike Buerhle
Mike Cameron
Francisco Cordero
Jermaine Dye
Dustin Hermanson
Ted Lilly
Julio Lugo
Gil Meche
Jason Schmidt
Randy Wolf
Barry Zito
Dye has either a $6 or 8 million club option next year. I am sure the Sox will pick that up. I would really like the Reds to go after a speedy leadoff hitter.

An interesting question will be if the Reds resign RA. I think he is going to ask for a decent amount of money because of the year he is having.

jmcclain19
08-15-2006, 03:48 AM
I would really like the Reds to go after a speedy leadoff hitter.


Ryan Freel says hello

jmcclain19
08-15-2006, 04:22 AM
Here is the list of FA

...



RedsFantatic, I'm not picking on you, but where did you pull that list from?

They have players names spelled wrong for one thing. That makes me doubt the accuracy right off the bat.

It's Buehrle, not Buerhle, and he has a relatively cheap club option that will be picked up. Just like John Smoltz's option will.

I see Dmitri Young and Aaron Boone on that list. I can see right now all the offseason posts clamoring for their return as well as the return of Sean Casey all off season. Joy.

Another scary fact, besides Lugo there isn't a single true SS on that list.

Everyone had better pray that Phillips is flipped over this offseason, or the Reds have another season to look forward to Castro & Clayton.

OUReds
08-15-2006, 07:05 AM
I see Dmitri Young and Aaron Boone on that list. I can see right now all the offseason posts clamoring for their return as well as the return of Sean Casey all off season. Joy.

Aaron Boone? Give the board more credit then that :)

His stats since returning from knee injury are beyond terrible.

91OSUAlum
08-15-2006, 07:51 AM
I think Cameron would be a very interesting option. He could take over in CF, move Griffey to right, Phillips to SS, and Freel at 2nd. Sign Aurilia as the super utility guy and then go after a decent pitcher. Based on what I have seen from Milton, he might be worth the risk again if we could get him for half of what we paid him the first time.

Batista is not someone to sign. Great great movement. Too great. For his entire career, he has no clue where the ball is going because he has such great movement and ends up walking a lot of batters.

Schmidt is too old so unless he is willing to sign a shorter contract, I would pass. We need someone who has a strong GB/FB ratio. That is someone I would pay a lot of money for.

Always Red
08-15-2006, 08:23 AM
I see Dmitri Young and Aaron Boone on that list. I can see right now all the offseason posts clamoring for their return as well as the return of Sean Casey all off season. Joy.


Oh come on, everybody knows that those guys will be playing the Nationals next year.;)

blumj
08-15-2006, 09:03 AM
Another scary fact, besides Lugo there isn't a single true SS on that list.

Alex Gonzalez? I'm guessing the Red Sox are going after Lugo.

Krusty
08-15-2006, 10:17 AM
Alex Gonzalez? I'm guessing the Red Sox are going after Lugo.

I would make a offer for Gonzalez but wouldn't break the bank because he is limited offensively. Defensively, he is slick and a double play combo of Gonzo and Phillips would make the Reds solid defensively up the middle. The only downside to Gonzalez is you have to bat him in the lower end of the batting order.

RichRed
08-15-2006, 10:34 AM
If Krivsky gives him an extension I will attempt to have him committed to a mental institution.

If Krivsky gives Clayton an extension, the terrorists have won.

Jim
08-15-2006, 10:41 AM
I think you're all missing the gem from that list... let's take a chance on Tony Womack. Good combination of speed and... oh wait, we already tried that one. Forget I said anything.

RedsFanatic
08-15-2006, 11:06 AM
I got it from mlb4u.com. It mentions that it includes players with club, player or mutual options.

The_jbh
08-15-2006, 01:32 PM
Man am I the only one on this board that hasn't given up on Deno yet?

Honestly the line up is the last place we need to go on the free agent market to get answers, I think the answers are internal there. However a starting pitcher or closer is a completely different story. If we are going to break the bank thats where it needs to happen... I dream of Zito.

I really think we should go into the season with Phillips moving to SS and 3 options between 2B/CF/RF

Let Deno get some real consistent At bats with Freel at 2B 4 days a week. I don't think a month is enough proof that he's just a 4th OF. At 2B i have a hunch Rich Aurilla will be back and take the left overs at 2B and a start from EE a week (please don't shoot me, I dont want it but I feel like its going to happen)

I really thought Bergolla was going to get a shot on the team next year but I feel like if he was in any plans what so ever he wouldnt have been DFAd

Brendan Harris is probably the most likely guy to get starts if they stay away from Aurilla. Krivsky liked him enough to bring him in and we know he likes guys hes brought in over Dano or Jimbo's guys.

2B Ryan Freel
1B Scott Hattenburg
LF Adam Dunn
3B Edwin Encarnacion
CF/RF Ken Griffey Jr (I hope Narron will take him out of the 3 spot and i dunno if kriv is gonna have the balls to ask him to move to RF)
SS Brandon Phillips
C David Ross/Jason LaRue
RF/CF Chris Denorfia

The_jbh
08-15-2006, 01:35 PM
I also have a slim hunch that Bruce goes on a Adam Dunn tear and could be in the majors by the All star break... so if Deno does prove to be a 4th OF type guy rather than an Aaron Rowland type CF that I think he is, Bruce will be in RF or CF

honestly a lot of OFs have been making jumps like that in the past few years, Redzone favorite Jeremy Hermedia(sp) comes to mind.

BRM
08-15-2006, 01:36 PM
I think Freel stays in the OF and moves to CF with Junior going to RF. Deno will be the 4th outfielder or traded.

Always Red
08-15-2006, 01:39 PM
Man am I the only one on this board that hasn't given up on Deno yet?

Honestly the line up is the last place we need to go on the free agent market to get answers, I think the answers are internal there. However a starting pitcher or closer is a completely different story. If we are going to break the bank thats where it needs to happen... I dream of Zito.

I really think we should go into the season with Phillips moving to SS and 3 options between 2B/CF/RF

Let Deno get some real consistent At bats with Freel at 2B 4 days a week. I don't think a month is enough proof that he's just a 4th OF. At 2B i have a hunch Rich Aurilla will be back and take the left overs at 2B and a start from EE a week (please don't shoot me, I dont want it but I feel like its going to happen)

I really thought Bergolla was going to get a shot on the team next year but I feel like if he was in any plans what so ever he wouldnt have been DFAd

Brendan Harris is probably the most likely guy to get starts if they stay away from Aurilla. Krivsky liked him enough to bring him in and we know he likes guys hes brought in over Dano or Jimbo's guys.

2B Ryan Freel
1B Scott Hattenburg
LF Adam Dunn
3B Edwin Encarnacion
CF/RF Ken Griffey Jr (I hope Narron will take him out of the 3 spot and i dunno if kriv is gonna have the balls to ask him to move to RF)
SS Brandon Phillips
C David Ross/Jason LaRue
RF/CF Chris Denorfia
I like it, a lot.

I agree with Jr in RF, and Deno in CF. Not sure if it will be allowed to happen, though.

RA to back up ALL IF positions. Olmedo or Harris in back-up role.

Spend $ on pitching. This team needs a closer and a #3-4 type starter. or Barry Zito:)

I'd also like to see us get away from 3 catchers.

I don't think this team is that far away, and it is one year closer to Bruce, Votto and Homer contributing.

dunner13
08-15-2006, 01:41 PM
If we have 10 million to spend in the offseason we have to aquire at least one solid SP. I like the idea of getting hunter ( is he going to be a FA) and putting him in CF, Griff in RF, and Freel at 2b. Phillips to SS obviously. Were not getting Schmidt or Zito. However I believe Mulder is a free agent and after all his injuries he might be ready to try someplace new. Padilla and Pinero also intrigue me.

The_jbh
08-15-2006, 02:16 PM
I hate to spend big money on a guy like Hunter when we have legitmate options internally. Give Deno a shot is all I ask. Freel can play OF Maybe Harris plays well and forces Freel to the OF.

Javon Moran has hit well in AA. Bruce could go on a tear and make the team by mid season when/if Deno proves to not be capable of being a full time player. There are always OF available at the deadline

A team like ours in a market like ours isnt going to have a major problem filling in someone in the OF. Pitching is something we don't have as much depth in. If we are gonna spend big money it really needs to be for pitching.

After 2007 I dont want 6 to 8mil+ locked up in a guy like Torri Hunter... I wanna have funny to focus on keeping Dunn in a Reds uniform for his whole career. I want to keep Edwin Encarnacion out of arbitration since after the 2007 season, he will be done with his 3rd year of ML service. I want to keep Ryan Freel around for a few more years. I want to keep Brandon Phillips out of arbitration. We are going to be spending large amounts of money on our line up in the next 2 to 3 years if we want to keep out core young guys around.

we signed Dunn to a 2 year deal... hes gonna get a monster deal. Invest 8 mil in Hunter and lose Dunn Freel ends up in the OF anyways with Bruce in 2008

I know this is looking WAY ahead but its things u gotta think about when making an investment. I think we are better tieing up another starter. After 2007 if the OF situation is still looking bleak, milton is off the books and we can address it then. I really feel we can address the OF situation internally this offseason. If we have money to spend, spend it where we need it the most, PITCHING

Will M
08-15-2006, 02:57 PM
1. In my opinion to be a real playoff threat we need another SP who can pitch 220 innings with an ERA under 4.

2. I also think we need another offensive weapon { 2B, CF or SS depending where Phillips & Freel end up }.

A solid 2B or CF will be easier to find than a SS.
A lot of teams need a SS so any free agent SS is going to be in big demand.
I think moving Phillips to SS makes sense & going after a CF or 2B.
You could get an OF like Kenny Lofton or Dave Roberts or someone similar cheap. They could platoon in CF with Denorfia and play Freel at 2B.

Or you could go after Hunter or Cameron and move Freel to 2B.

Or play Freel in CF and go after a 2B.

3. Aurillia's option will be picked up and we will see a 1B platoon of Aurillia & Hatteberg. Both are good platoon/bench players. Neither should play everday.
Also at this pooint in his career Aurillia can't play 2B/SS { no range }

4.
Miguel Batista -no
Joe Borowski - no
Mike Buerhle - I suspect despite his poor year his option will be picked up
Mike Cameron - maybe
Francisco Cordero - maybe
Jermaine Dye - optioned will be picked up by White Sox
Dustin Hermanson - no
Ted Lilly - unfortunatley is a guy who gives up a lot of home runs
Julio Lugo -on my short list
Gil Meche - maybe
Jason Schmidt - will cost $$$$ but if the contract is short AND he wants to come to the Reds he could be great. However we will be competing for him will all the deep pocketed teams.
Randy Wolf - I'm sure Krisky has scouts watching him pitch the rest of 2006
Barry Zito - will cost $$$$

- Will

puca
08-15-2006, 03:08 PM
back to the original quesiton - I sure hope not - for so many reasons.

Puig Your Red
08-15-2006, 03:11 PM
Alex Gonzalez? I'm guessing the Red Sox are going after Lugo.
There is a guy I wouldn't mind going after. With him, Edwin, and Phillips not many balls would make it through the infield on the ground.

bounty37h
08-15-2006, 03:15 PM
[QUOTE=The_jbh]Man am I the only one on this board that hasn't given up on Deno yet?

Havnet gave up on him as a player, hopefully come back up and make a difference. However, i saw him yesterday at the Bats-Bulls game, and he was the biggest a$$ of any player on the team, at least yesterday he was.....Maybe a bad day or something.

Will M
08-15-2006, 03:16 PM
Other free agents who may be worth a look/in the Reds price range:

Tony Armas Jr. Washington Nationals RHSP
Ronnie Belliard St. Louis Cardinals 2B
Luis Castillo Minnesota Twins 2B
Adam Eaton Texas Rangers RHSP
Nomar Garciaparra Los Angeles Dodgers 2B???
Mark Loretta Boston Red Sox 2B
Gary Matthews Jr. Texas Rangers CF
Tomo Ohka Milwaukee Brewers RHSP
Vicente Padilla Texas Rangers RHSP
Andy Pettitte Houston Astros LHSP ???
Jose Valentin New York Mets LF/2B

I left certain players like Smoltz, Mussina & Moyer off the list because I can't see them changing teams/leagues at this stage in their careers.

- Will

Gizmo
08-15-2006, 03:20 PM
Alex Gonzalez is the one name (other than pitchers) that jumped out at me. Still young, solid fielder, and not a wash at the plate. I'd love to have him come in if we can get him cheap. Sure his offense may not be that hot, but with the lineup we can run out there regularly (Dunn, EE, Phillips, Ross, Hatte, Freel and Griffey) I think we can afford to risk Gonzalez' bat for his glove. That's what we're doing now with Clayton, and we all know how that's going. It couldn't be much worse with Gonzalez.

Puig Your Red
08-15-2006, 03:25 PM
Alex Gonzalez is the one name (other than pitchers) that jumped out at me. Still young, solid fielder, and not a wash at the plate. I'd love to have him come in if we can get him cheap. Sure his offense may not be that hot, but with the lineup we can run out there regularly (Dunn, EE, Phillips, Ross, Hatte, Freel and Griffey) I think we can afford to risk Gonzalez' bat for his glove. That's what we're doing now with Clayton, and we all know how that's going. It couldn't be much worse with Gonzalez.
When we traded for Clayton, the idea was that he would be a GG caliber SS and would have a below average bat. The problem is Clayton isn't a GG caliber SS.

Gonzalez is a GG SS. I think he won the Gold Glove last year, and this year at the plate he hasn't been terrible. .274/.322/.432 isn't bad from your 8 hitter. Add that with his amazing defense, and I would like to see the Reds go after him.

Gizmo
08-15-2006, 03:52 PM
When we traded for Clayton, the idea was that he would be a GG caliber SS and would have a below average bat. The problem is Clayton isn't a GG caliber SS.

Gonzalez is a GG SS. I think he won the Gold Glove last year, and this year at the plate he hasn't been terrible. .274/.322/.432 isn't bad from your 8 hitter. Add that with his amazing defense, and I would like to see the Reds go after him.
Exactly what I was getting at.

Johnny Footstool
08-15-2006, 04:21 PM
Gold Gloves are a measure of a player's reputation for defense, not his actual ability. I'd like to see some more objective analysis before handing Gonzalez a contract.

Will M
08-15-2006, 06:31 PM
IMO - no

Put Phillips at SS & get a 2B who can play solid D and contribute offensively

- Will

BigRed
08-15-2006, 08:18 PM
There are some nice names to look at. However, I think that Krivsky will make more changes via trade than free agency. The Reds still can't afford to go after the names you want. Too much money.