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LawFive
08-16-2006, 01:31 PM
Reds pick up Scott Schoenweis from Toronto

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/

CrackerJack
08-16-2006, 01:34 PM
Another 30-something 6+ ERA type - wow just what the Reds needed.

Rojo
08-16-2006, 01:34 PM
Eh.

princeton
08-16-2006, 01:36 PM
you knew that he'd be a Red at some point in his career. At least we picked him up before he reached age 50

Red Leader
08-16-2006, 01:36 PM
Eeek. Schoeneweis seems to be either hit or miss this year, with more misses than hits so far. He doesn't strike out a lot of batters. His BB/K rate isn't very impressive, his BAA isn't too great either. Might be useful in 1 or 2 games as a LOOGY, but don't the Reds already have enough of those. I guess maybe the thinking was that with Guardado being day to day for the rest of the season, Bray could be used in the late innings and Schoeneweis might have a use, but isn't that why Shack was called up? I wonder whose roster spot he's taking, and I wonder how many PTBNL's Wayne will give up this year. They're almost as common as DFA's this year.

Puffy
08-16-2006, 01:39 PM
Soon the Reds will have an entire lefty bullpen.

Oh, the joy.

flyer85
08-16-2006, 01:40 PM
Maybe sooner of later they will actually acquire someone that can get people out.

IIRC, the Reds pursued him a couple of years ago and lost out and then signed Mercker.

BTW, he stats suggest he is purely a LOOGY at this point and one that likely not as good as SHack.

The Reds may end up with 9 relievers and 3 bench players.

westofyou
08-16-2006, 01:40 PM
Somewhere Ned Flanders smiles.

danforsman
08-16-2006, 01:40 PM
I'm not big on Schoeneweis, but Michalak may not be long for the bigs, Shackelford is good only for a batter or two, and Bray and Guardado have had too much work, it seems, so maybe Schoenweis can fill in some gaps. Could Eddie be heading for the DL?

princeton
08-16-2006, 01:41 PM
pitcher number 27. I want 40!

flyer85
08-16-2006, 01:48 PM
at this point the acquistions seemed to have become activity purely for its own sake.

SS is at the very best redundancy and at worst a downgrade.

dabvu2498
08-16-2006, 01:48 PM
pitcher number 27. I want 40!
You'll need a 40 to watch this crew pitch.

CTA513
08-16-2006, 01:50 PM
I guess Shackelford will be sent down to make room for him?

LawFive
08-16-2006, 01:54 PM
You'll need a 40 to watch this crew pitch.

:beerme:

:laugh:

flyer85
08-16-2006, 01:54 PM
I guess Shackelford will be sent down to make room for him?who knows. I guess the Reds just don't have enough old fossils yet. I wonder if he will get a contract extension? :help:

CrackerJack
08-16-2006, 01:54 PM
I guess Shackelford will be sent down to make room for him?


Isn't Shackelford doing just fine in his role now? What am I missing? Does Shack not have enough veteran presence? Did he play the game the wrong way or something? (in all seriousness I am confused as to why this move was needed exactly)

Rojo
08-16-2006, 01:55 PM
you knew that he'd be a Red at some point in his career. At least we picked him up before he reached age 50

He projected as a good Gullet project by some.

Does anyone else think of Sound of Music when they hear his name? Schoenweis, schoenweis.

flyer85
08-16-2006, 01:55 PM
Isn't Shackelford doing just fine in his role now? What am I missing? Does Shack not have enough veteran presence? Did he play the game the wrong way or something? (in all seriousness I am confused as to why this move was needed exactly)like I said, at the very best this is redundancy. :bang:

CTA513
08-16-2006, 01:58 PM
Isn't Shackelford doing just fine in his role now? What am I missing? Does Shack not have enough veteran presence? Did he play the game the wrong way or something? (in all seriousness I am confused as to why this move was needed exactly)

Shackelford has been doing a good job getting lefties out. He has a hard trouble getting righties out, but so does Schoeneweis. It seems they keep on trading for guys who can get lefties out when they already have one that keeps on being sent back to AAA.

dougdirt
08-16-2006, 01:58 PM
My brain simply cant comprehend what is going on with this.

Since May began, the guys ERA is 7.48. Let me repeat that, 7.48 Honestly, bring back up Joe Mays to pitch relief if this is the crap we are going to run out there. At least we dont have to give up a player/money in a trade for him.

redsfan30
08-16-2006, 02:01 PM
Moves are nice, but eventually it becomes overkill.

I think we've reached that point....

CrackerJack
08-16-2006, 02:01 PM
Thanks CTA/Ricardo for confirming my confusion.

I'm sure the local media suck-ups will laud "Trader Wayne" for his "effort" and the fact he "isn't sitting around doing nothing."

Whatever...

flyer85
08-16-2006, 02:05 PM
Moves are nice, but eventually it becomes overkill.

I think we've reached that point....the Hollandsworth and now Schoenweis are moves that at best don't make the team better and likely make it worse.

WK has reached the point of where it is activity for its own sake.

Strikes Out Looking
08-16-2006, 02:10 PM
Well it really doesn't matter how many pitchers they acquire if they don't score any runs.

paulrichjr
08-16-2006, 02:15 PM
I miss DanO and his "not doing anything" routine. :laugh:

Actually though if you could take DanO and Krivs together you might have a GM that makes moves and thinks them out ahead of time. That would be great.

registerthis
08-16-2006, 02:17 PM
the Hollandsworth and now Schoenweis are moves that at best don't make the team better and likely make it worse.

WK has reached the point of where it is activity for its own sake.

No kidding.

Alright, alright Wayne, you win. You've proven you are not shy at making moves. We get it. Now, please, put the phone down...

BCubb2003
08-16-2006, 02:19 PM
It seems like each of these guys gets about two weeks of change-of-scenery effectiveness before a new batch comes in. I'm not sure the Reds can make it to the end of the season with that approach, but if you're not going to find top-shelf items at this point, you're going to need warm bodies.

Caseyfan21
08-16-2006, 02:21 PM
If his performance is equal to Shack, then this move would make sense. Then for September we can have both him and Shack on the roster so we can have 2 lefty specialists. With the way Narron seems to use the pen that's probably necessary. He's probably better than some of the Triple A guys but that's certainly debatable. Basically Shack goes down for a couple weeks and comes back when the rosters expand. Then we can use both of them for Sept and if SS does well he was here in time to be put on the playoff roster. If he does terrible we release him before Sept 1 and Shack can be back up and eligible to make the playoff roster. Sounds like it’s open season for the lefty specialist job if we make the playoffs. Also, if someone is going on the DL then this move would make sense.

Seems like a low risk move to me. If he can catch lightning in a bottle and get a good month out of him like Guardado then this is probably worth it. That being said I really don’t think he has much left in the tank. IMO, it probably would be better to just stick with Shack and bring up another lefty from Triple A in September. We’ll just have to wait and see how it pans out.

TRF
08-16-2006, 02:24 PM
I miss DanO and his "not doing anything" routine. :laugh:

Actually though if you could take DanO and Krivs together you might have a GM that makes moves and thinks them out ahead of time. That would be great.

ding ding ding.

Krivsky is a fantasy baseball GM.

flyer85
08-16-2006, 02:26 PM
You can rationalize all you want but the point is moves should have a high likelihood of making the team better. The Hollandsworth and SS moves just don't cut it.

flyer85
08-16-2006, 02:28 PM
Krivsky is a fantasy baseball GM.over my years in that area what I eventually discovered is that patience in what you already have , unless something is a clear upgrade, is by far the best course of action.

I think the best thing that could happen to this team in the next week would be to get Standridge and Belisile back. However, even if healthy, I doubt we see them before Sept 1.

registerthis
08-16-2006, 02:33 PM
6.50 ERA, 1.48 WHIP, 4.33 K/9

He's been slightly BABIP lucky (.276) in a HR factory up in Toronto, so I doubt that would have much of an effect on his numbers. In short...blech.

reds44
08-16-2006, 02:35 PM
What?

Why?

flyer85
08-16-2006, 02:36 PM
He's been slightly BABIP lucky (.276) Reds have acquired a number of these guys and then people seem surprised when the level of performance drops after they get here.

cumberlandreds
08-16-2006, 02:42 PM
I really don't understand this pickup. There comes a point in time that you just go with what you have. I think we are at that point. I don't think anymore 6+ ERA lefties are going to help.

IslandRed
08-16-2006, 02:45 PM
My guess -- and it's only a guess -- is that someone else is about to hit the disabled list and this is but another body to throw into the breach. As long as it didn't cost us anything we'll miss... (shrug)

Crash Davis
08-16-2006, 02:49 PM
ding ding ding.

Krivsky is a fantasy baseball GM.

Gimme a break.

Is that as opposed to TRF, who is just a fantasy GM?

Crash Davis
08-16-2006, 02:51 PM
No kidding.

Alright, alright Wayne, you win. You've proven you are not shy at making moves. We get it. Now, please, put the phone down...

Anybody get the feeling these August moves are more ownership driven? I'm going by the assumption that Cast is ultra competitive and has made it clear that he expects Krivsky to keep making any move that could possibly give the Reds an advantage.

Heath
08-16-2006, 02:52 PM
The way Guardado was tossing Creme Puff 80 MPH fastballs on Sunday lead me to believe that he's getting a room at the Hotel DL.

flyer85
08-16-2006, 02:52 PM
Maybe Cormier will be going in for a hip replacement.

Did Gillick trade the Reds damaged goods? It's an epidemic.

Cedric
08-16-2006, 02:52 PM
It's not a bad move at all. Bray could be wearing down at a fast rate and SS might get a nice bump in performance for a few weeks switching leagues.

What's the hurt in it?

reds44
08-16-2006, 02:53 PM
It's not a bad move at all. Bray could be wearing down at a fast rate and SS might get a nice bump in performance for a few weeks switching leagues.

What's the hurt in it?
A 6.51 ERA.

flyer85
08-16-2006, 03:00 PM
the xERA of

Player A is 4.14
Player B is 3.99

Anyone want to take a guess who these two LH relievers are?

I pose this question because I thought the BPIs of these two players looked very similar and the xERA confirmed my thought.

Tony Cloninger
08-16-2006, 03:06 PM
Why hasn't Joe Horner been brought up from Triple A yet?

registerthis
08-16-2006, 03:09 PM
Anybody get the feeling these August moves are more ownership driven? I'm going by the assumption that Cast is ultra competitive and has made it clear that he expects Krivsky to keep making any move that could possibly give the Reds an advantage.

I don't see how guys like Schoeneweis possible gives the Reds an advantage, but then again I've been wrong before...

Red Leader
08-16-2006, 03:09 PM
the xERA of

Player A is 4.14
Player B is 3.99

Anyone want to take a guess who these two LH relievers are?

I pose this question because I thought the BPIs of these two players looked very similar and the xERA confirmed my thought.

Schoeneweis
Shackelford

flyer85
08-16-2006, 03:11 PM
Schoeneweis
Shackelford

Pitcher A is Cormier
Pitcher B is Schoenweis

Heath
08-16-2006, 03:15 PM
Why hasn't Joe Horner been brought up from Triple A yet?

Because I think he's deceased.

TRF
08-16-2006, 03:17 PM
Gimme a break.

Is that as opposed to TRF, who is just a fantasy GM?

Aquired by krivsky in the last 7 months

Yan
Ross, Cody
Cormier
Guardado
Lohse
Shoenweiss
Franklin
Ross, David
Phillips
Arroyo
Majewski
Bray
Clayton
Harris
Thompson

And these are the guys i can think of off the top of my head. Of this list 3 guys have made a serious impact: Arroyo, David Ross and BP, with Guardado coming in fourth. the rest? pheh, though Lohse has pitched well in 2 starts.

He seems to make aquisition to make aquisitions.

And no, I don't play fantasy baseball.

Gallen5862
08-16-2006, 03:28 PM
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASAp...6/c1612752.jsp
Reds add Schoeneweis to help 'pen
08/16/2006 1:30 PM ET
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

The Reds acquired more bullpen help on Wednesday by acquiring lefty Scott Schoeneweis from the Blue Jays for a player to be named later or cash considerations.
Schoeneweis was 2-2 with a 6.51 ERA and one save in 55 relief appearances for Toronto this season. The 32-year-old is expected to arrive in time for Wednesday night's game at St. Louis.

An eight-year veteran, Schoeneweis has appeared in 358 games with the Angels, White Sox and Blue Jays and has a 5.09 career ERA.

To make room on the 40-man roster, lefty reliever Kent Mercker was transferred to the 60-day disabled list. A replacement for Mercker was needed when the veteran suffered a completely torn ligament in his elbow.

A corresponding 25-man roster move will be announced after Schoeneweis joins the Reds. A likely odd man out could be Brian Shackelford, who was recalled from Triple-A Louisville after Mercker went to the DL.

Since July 6, Schoeneweis is the seventh reliever that Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky has acquired through a trade. Eddie Guardado, Bill Bray, Gary Majewski, Rheal Cormier, Kyle Lohse and Ryan Franklin have all been dealt for in an effort to revamp Cincinnati's bullpen. Lohse has since moved into the rotation.

This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

TRF
08-16-2006, 03:29 PM
UGH!

Why get Schoenweiss when Shack is actually BETTER at getting LH hitters out. He has a two year record of dominating LH hitters.

ugh.

dsmith421
08-16-2006, 03:29 PM
I hear Cormier has already made a lot of enemies in the clubhouse by constantly ordering Dunn, Phillips, and Encarnacion to get off his lawn and referring to Shackelford and Bray as "those damned teenagers."

Also, Hatteberg keeps drinking all the Ovaltine.

puca
08-16-2006, 03:30 PM
Rearranging deck chairs...

Maybe he gets a boost moving from the AL. We can only hope.

LincolnparkRed
08-16-2006, 03:40 PM
I haven't made this many moves in my fantasy league(then again I am 11th out of 12 teams), I am starting to wonder what his plan is for how all of these pieces fit. Maybe Cormier is hurt as well.

RBA
08-16-2006, 03:40 PM
Maybe the Reds think he has been tipping his pitches and Hume is going to straighten him out?

edit: forgot smilie---- ;)

guttle11
08-16-2006, 03:45 PM
There's no shrubbery in GABP, why would Schoenweis want to come here?

I'm still pretty high on Krivsky, but that's a bad move.

Kc61
08-16-2006, 03:47 PM
I fear that somebody is going on the DL.

If not, and all active pitchers remain healthy, Reds will need additional bullpen facilities after the September call ups. They have about 90 relievers.

flyer85
08-16-2006, 03:49 PM
They have about 90 relievers.... just not any good ones :laugh:

CrackerJack
08-16-2006, 03:53 PM
Why hasn't Joe Horner been brought up from Triple A yet?



Because I think he's deceased.

Just think of the veteran presence his coffin in the dugout could provide?

LincolnparkRed
08-16-2006, 03:56 PM
... just not any good ones :laugh:

they plan to use the quntity over quality strategy. by having 20 guys in the bullpen think of all the pitching changes Narron can make. The batters will not be able to keep track of whose pitching much less know what to expect.

Advantage Reds:thumbup:

TheBigLebowski
08-16-2006, 03:56 PM
Eh. Not upset nor excited about it.

Just gimme a win tonight.

Ravenlord
08-16-2006, 03:58 PM
I guess the Reds just don't have enough old fossils yet. they want to be able to drill for oil in the clubhouse after the World Series.

deltachi8
08-16-2006, 04:07 PM
Because I think he's deceased.

Cross him off then

Matt700wlw
08-16-2006, 04:20 PM
Change of league? Change of scenery?

Hell...I don't know. We'll see.

RedsMan3203
08-16-2006, 04:23 PM
When is LaRue going out?

THAT is what Wayne K needs to be working on.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2006, 04:24 PM
He does have 2 ground ball outs for every flyball out...

there's a plus (assuming he doesn't walk everybody and doesn't get drilled)

Red Leader
08-16-2006, 04:25 PM
Maybe Krivsky is just trying to test the equipment manager at this point before he makes a decision on him this offseason and let's him become a free agent.


Schoeneweis and Hollandsworth aren't names for an everday joe to sew on a jersey. :dunno:

Tony Cloninger
08-16-2006, 04:27 PM
Bad choice of pitcher to use.

So is Rich Hinton or Joe Henderson available at Triple A? :D


I think.....Guardado...is going on the DL.

NDRed
08-16-2006, 04:36 PM
I hear Cormier has already made a lot of enemies in the clubhouse by constantly ordering Dunn, Phillips, and Encarnacion to get off his lawn and referring to Shackelford and Bray as "those damned teenagers."

Also, Hatteberg keeps drinking all the Ovaltine.


"I don't care what anybody says, that, right there thats funny stuff"

Larry the Cable Guy

Spring~Fields
08-16-2006, 04:41 PM
I am starting to think that Krivsky was an antique or junk dealer in a previous life.

Tommyjohn25
08-16-2006, 04:41 PM
Eh. Not upset nor excited about it.

Just gimme a win tonight.


Ditto.

Caveat Emperor
08-16-2006, 05:12 PM
I am starting to think that Krivsky was an antique or junk dealer in a previous life.

I'd be willing to bet he's worn out his mouse clicking the "Buy it Now!" button on eBay.

Falls City Beer
08-16-2006, 05:20 PM
I'm beginning to think Krivsky made the deal with Washington because he idolizes Bowden.

I gotta say, though, that ole Wayne is making a veritable leaderboard for future de la Hoz badinage.

westofyou
08-16-2006, 05:22 PM
Wayne Krivsky the 21st Century Frank Lane.

Puffy
08-16-2006, 05:30 PM
I'd be willing to bet he's worn out his mouse clicking the "Buy it Now!" button on eBay.

Chip wore out his mouse clicking "refresh" on Grannieswithmidgets.com weeks ago.

RedsMan3203
08-16-2006, 05:32 PM
Its and Shack.




UPDATE (4:30 p.m.): Sounds like it's Shackelford being optioned out to make room. No shocker there, but I'm starting to feel sorry for the guy. No doubt he'll be up for a fifth time this year in September...



Someone should update the thread title.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2006, 05:39 PM
Poor Shack

Doc. Scott
08-16-2006, 05:40 PM
Great. Another pitcher who will have his name misspelled by 82.4% of RedsZone.

RedsMan3203
08-16-2006, 05:41 PM
Great. Another pitcher who will have his name misspelled by 82.4% of RedsZone.

I'll simply call him "The Show"

Ltlabner
08-16-2006, 05:42 PM
Great. Another pitcher who will have his name misspelled by 82.4% of RedsZone.

I can barely spell Dunn.

Scheowharurnifaeijfsdfhsfwiz is totally out of the question.

redsmetz
08-16-2006, 05:42 PM
From the Toronto Star. A side note, I think some of these guys who are on one year contracts or in the final year of longer contract are basically "rentals" for the remainder of the season.


Jays jettison Schoeneweis
Aug. 16, 2006. 04:37 PM
CANADIAN PRESS


The Blue Jays have traded lefthanded reliever Scott Schoeneweis to the Cincinnati Reds for a player to be named later, the club announced today.
Toronto Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi isn’t ready to wave a white flag on the season just yet but Wednesday’s trade of Schoeneweis to the Reds was made with an eye toward 2007.

By moving the lefty specialist, who is making $2.75 million US in the second year of a $5.25 million deal, the Blue Jays save themselves about $600,000 they plan to use in the off-season.

Their budget for next year is expected to be about $75 million, with some $8-9 million available to spend. The Blue Jays, who are in St. Petersburg to play the Devil Rays, entered Wednesday’s action 7 and a half games back of both the AL-East leading New York Yankees and of the wild-card leading Chicago White Sox.

“With the situation we’re in, we had to look at some areas where we could help ourselves next year without taking away from this year,” said Ricciardi. “That extra money could come in handy.”

Schoeneweis was the Blue Jays’ top situational lefty, coming in to face the opposition’s toughest left-handed batters in key situations. But since he’s eligible for free agency in the fall and wasn’t in the club’s plans, Ricciardi opted to get what he could for him.

The player to be named will be a low-level prospect or cash, with the deal to be finalized within six months. “At this point Schoeneweis was more of a luxury than a need,” said Ricciardi.

No move was immediately announced to replace Schoeneweis on the roster. Gustavo Chacin is expected to come off the disabled list to start Saturday in Baltimore but the Blue Jays are likely to call someone up, possibly prospect Davis Romero, before then.

The recent emergence of some youngsters in the bullpen helped Ricciardi make the decision. Left-handed hitters are batting just .143 against right-hander Jeremy Accardo and .209 versus lefty Brian Tallet.

Rookie Brandon League and southpaw Scott Downs have also pitched very well lately.

Schoeneweis, 32, appeared in 55 games this season, posting a 2-2 record and 6.51 ERA but hasn’t been as effective since the all-star break, in part because of a nagging leg injury. Overall, the six-foot, 190-pound left-hander allowed 39 hits in 37.1 innings, while walking 16 and striking out 18.

It’s unclear how the move will be received in the Blue Jays clubhouse, where players still talk about making a run to pull themselves back into the race.

It will be a boon to Reds players, however, who just two days ago learned that lefty reliever Kent Mercker will need reconstructive surgery to repair a torn ligament and tendon in his elbow.

The Reds transferred Mercker to the 60-day disabled list Wednesday. They expect Schoeneweis to arrive in St. Louis on Wednesday night, when the teams play the second game in their series.

Schoeneweis is the seventh pitcher acquired in the last six weeks by the Reds, who have stayed in playoff contention by remaking their bullpen. A 5-0 loss in St. Louis on Tuesday night left Cincinnati in second place in the NL Central, 261/27 games behind the Cardinals.

Last season, Schoeneweis had a 3-4 record with a 3.32 ERA in 57 innings pitched.

He has appeared in 358 career games over nine seasons with Toronto, Anaheim and the Chicago White Sox. He has a career record of 41-47 with a 5.09 ERA.

flyer85
08-16-2006, 05:49 PM
Schoeneweis, 32, appeared in 55 games this season, posting a 2-2 record and 6.51 ERA but hasn’t been as effective since the all-star break, in part because of a nagging leg injury.Does Wayne have a fetish about guys with injury problems?

Redsland
08-16-2006, 06:10 PM
Great. Another pitcher who will have his name misspelled by 82.4% of RedsZone.
Uncalled for, Dr. Scot!

;)

Matt700wlw
08-16-2006, 06:13 PM
We'll just call him Scotty S.

Tony Cloninger
08-16-2006, 06:14 PM
How about Eye Chart?

Doc. Scott
08-16-2006, 06:14 PM
Uncalled for, Dr. Scot!

;)

Call it a bias of a child spelling champion like myself. Some of us peak when we're young, like Ryan Wagner. Some of us, like me, peak when we're really young.

Gallen5862
08-16-2006, 06:23 PM
The Reds now have 4 players on the 60 day dl. So it looks like the Reds can choose from at least 29 players for the playoff roster. The players on the 15 day dl may be eligible. That may be the reason to trade for Schoenweis. 25 players not counting players on the dl are eligible for the playoff list. For each player on the 60 day dl one player may be added to the playoff eligible list. The player must have been with the Organization before September 1. It is why players are being added to the organization now. Before each round of the playoffs 25 players can be chosen from the eligible list.

Heath
08-16-2006, 06:37 PM
Well, we can only hope he returns to some career norms.

We do have him for 2007 it looks like.

flyer85
08-16-2006, 06:51 PM
Well, we can only hope he returns to some career norms.

We do have him for 2007 it looks like.don't think that is true. IIRC, he signed a 2 year deak with the Jays

redsmetz
08-16-2006, 06:55 PM
I checked the Cot's site and he's in his final year of his contract this year.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2006, 07:34 PM
I checked the Cot's site and he's in his final year of his contract this year.

Then we rent him for the rest of the year, and see what happens.

Not so bad.

Marc D
08-16-2006, 07:51 PM
I saw this run across the ESPN bottom line thing while I was at lunch today.

I just laughed. What else can you do?

oregonred
08-16-2006, 08:11 PM
I saw this run across the ESPN bottom line thing while I was at lunch today.

I just laughed. What else can you do?

Yep, me too. I can't believe we'd spend $500K of Cast's money on this move. What a waste.

At least the AL pitchers have had some level of success early on in the kiddie league (Guardado, BA, Lohse)

Patrick Bateman
08-16-2006, 08:18 PM
Nm

Nugget
08-16-2006, 08:57 PM
OK SS isn't the great pitcher that REDSZONE seem to think the REDS can just pick up but its a good and needed move by Krivsky.

1) Mercker needed to be replaced not just today but also when the rosters expand. Shack will be up here when the rosters go up.

2) There was already a dearth of usable pitchers in AAA, calling up Michalak is evidence of that.

3) Taking SS small sample size post All-Star is like taking Hammond in April. SS has shown before that he can perform in the Bigs and the REDS are going to need every usable arm they can get if they are going to get to an survive the playoffs.

TRF
08-16-2006, 09:25 PM
Then we rent him for the rest of the year, and see what happens.

Not so bad.

Joe Mays.

REDREAD
08-16-2006, 10:45 PM
like I said, at the very best this is redundancy. :bang:


It's desparation by Wayne. He's collecting any pitcher with a heartbeat.

It's not necessarily bad though, because the pitching depth is paper thin.

REDREAD
08-16-2006, 10:54 PM
My guess -- and it's only a guess -- is that someone else is about to hit the disabled list and this is but another body to throw into the breach. As long as it didn't cost us anything we'll miss... (shrug)

Probably insurance for when Michaelic explodes.. which is highly likely.

It gives us another option, albeit not a very good one.

edabbs44
08-16-2006, 10:57 PM
Someone needs to contain Wayne. He's like a little kid trading baseball cards.

BoydsOfSummer
08-16-2006, 11:02 PM
John Franco is available. The Power of Tradition!!

Jesse Orosco will work for cheap,he's next.

Crosley68
08-16-2006, 11:49 PM
Nobody more upset than Nuxie at this trade, "Damn, another guy I can't pronounce."

Henry Clay
08-17-2006, 01:13 AM
I'll wait for the guy to pitch to judge the move. I saw the news today and expected a page or so on the news. I was a little surprised by the overall negative tone toward the acquisition. Schoeneweis has a decent track record against LH batters. If he can fill that role and the point made earlier about playoff rosters and 60 day DL is accurate, this isn't a bad move. The Reds now have two solid LOOGYs for the stretch run in September (Shack and Schoeny). If Guardado is slow to rebound, and Bray needs to step into the closer/late innings spot, this acquisition could pay huge dividends by giving the Reds one or two additional wins that an overtaxed bullpen would otherwise yield by season's end. Plus, I'm confident that Wayne "No Roster is Permanent" Krivsky will dump Schoeneweis if he proves to be as horrid as the bulk of posts suggest. Unless the PTBNL is someone significant, I like this move. Of course, if Schoeneweis can't hold a lead, I'll join Krivsky in pushing the guy out of town.

redsrule2500
08-17-2006, 01:54 AM
He's never been in the National League, and is struggling this year. I think a change of scenery and league could really benefit this guy.

redsrule2500
08-17-2006, 01:54 AM
Someone needs to contain Wayne. He's like a little kid trading baseball cards.

:laugh:

Henry Clay
08-17-2006, 02:23 AM
I took a look at Schoeneweis's stats for 2003-05 (ESPN's sample of years, not mine) and saw something to like going into the end of the season: The guy has great September numbers. For September during that period, his ERA is 1.08 with no HRs. His BAA is .198! I know this is a small sample size, but it suggests that this guy may finish strong. Moreover, his numbers against LH batters during 2003-05 look equally strong if he is being considered as a LOOGY. His BAA/OBPA/OPSA against lefties were .218/.284/.265 respectively. That is pretty good. I don't want to suggest that this trade is anything beyond a smart waiver move, but I think these numbers suggest that there is no need for gloom and doom. If used the right way, Schoeneweis could be a useful asset down the stretch.

Jpup
08-17-2006, 03:39 AM
I have no problem with the move. I don't see the need for it, but I don't have a problem with it.

Big Klu
08-17-2006, 04:07 AM
According to the Reds website, Scott Schoeneweis will be wearing #60--most recently worn by P Juan Padilla, but most prominently worn by 3B Tim "Thug Life" Hummel.

Word to your mother.

marcshoe
08-17-2006, 03:11 PM
I was just looking around on another (non-baseball) board I post on, and found I'd posted the following on June 30:


btw, the Reds are only one game out now, and they released another reliever today. If they let enough of the terrible relievers go, they won't be tempted to put them in the game just because they're on the roster. And they can find players at random who are better than these clowns.

Prophetic, no?

TRF
08-17-2006, 03:18 PM
Who is Schoenweiss better than?

marcshoe
08-18-2006, 07:13 PM
He more re-enforces the "players at random" idea (although Mike Burns was likely the primary clown I had in mind at the time).