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tbball10
08-17-2006, 01:53 AM
He has always been praised for his work with the glove, but he is having quite a season at the plate this season. He has played 76 of his 102 games in the pitcher friendly Florida State League, and has still managed to hit a combined .303 13 HR 62 RBI. Not to bad at all for a league that ripped Joey Votto up last year.

Paul Janish: Individual Stats (Batting)
Team From To G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
Dayton Dragons 04/06 05/16 26 98 19 39 6 0 5 18 60 7 10 0 0 .435 .612 .398
Sarasota R 05/16 08/12 76 278 43 75 12 1 8 44 113 33 34 6 2 .352 .406 .270

flyer85
08-17-2006, 09:23 AM
Doing well in A ball at age 23 just isn't a big deal.

Heath
08-17-2006, 09:35 AM
Great arm, Great glove, great attitude. Fantastic baseball awarness.

Couldn't hit a baseball off the broad side of the barn. Has more holes in his swing than a soccer net.

Coulda/shoulda been made a pitcher. It might not be too late.

NJReds
08-17-2006, 09:40 AM
Doing well in A ball at age 23 just isn't a big deal.

It seems to be a big deal when the conversation is about Zach Ward.

princeton
08-17-2006, 09:54 AM
It seems to be a big deal when the conversation is about Zach Ward.

age/level is a great predictor for hitters, less so for pitchers. Interestingly, catchers seem to be bimodal. That 33YO Philly rookie hurt us, hurt the Mets.

flyer85
08-17-2006, 09:54 AM
It seems to be a big deal when the conversation is about Zach Ward.not for me, I pointed out that a 22 year old is SUPPOSED to dominate in Low A.

The loss of Ward did not bother me. I am one of the few that liked the Lohse trade when it went down.

I deals I didn't like were "the trade" and the Cormier deal.

lollipopcurve
08-17-2006, 10:06 AM
Janish has hit better than expected. Litmus test is next year in AA. If his glove is as good as they say, I give him an outside chance still.

What they really need to do is sign that Cuban SS Gourriel.

Doc. Scott
08-17-2006, 11:48 AM
Janish had a single, two doubles, and a triple in Sarasota's 12-inning loss last night. He's been up and down, but on the whole has done a pretty good job in the S-Reds' #2 slot. I'd say he's at least earned a ticket up the ladder for 2007. That will be the year when we find out where on the radar screen he really is. Could be a big-league starter, could be another Ray Olmedo. Likely somewhere in between.

Crash Davis
08-17-2006, 11:59 AM
I always thought his ceiling was Adam Everett with a tad more pop.

RedsManRick
08-17-2006, 01:32 PM
Ray Olmedo and Willy Bergolla say hi.

BRM
08-17-2006, 01:38 PM
Ray Olmedo and Willy Bergolla say hi.

I thought Janish is considered to have a better glove than both of those guys. Maybe not.

NC Reds
08-17-2006, 01:47 PM
Janish plays MLB caliber defense now. Give him until age 25 before kicking dirt on him. AA next year (age 24) and then we will see if he can make the leap.

NJReds
08-17-2006, 01:52 PM
not for me, I pointed out that a 22 year old is SUPPOSED to dominate in Low A.

The loss of Ward did not bother me. I am one of the few that liked the Lohse trade when it went down.

I deals I didn't like were "the trade" and the Cormier deal.

I didn't mean you personally. I meant in general a big deal was made about Ward's stats. I wondered if the Reds kept him at that level to raise his trade value.

NJReds
08-17-2006, 01:54 PM
age/level is a great predictor for hitters, less so for pitchers. Interestingly, catchers seem to be bimodal. That 33YO Philly rookie hurt us, hurt the Mets.

That's a fair assessment. I wasn't aware of the breakout. Still, it seems odd to me that Ward has been "lights out" at low-A, and has yet to earn a promotion.

princeton
08-17-2006, 01:57 PM
Janish plays MLB caliber defense now.

we hear that about a lot of guys, then they come up and the managers bench them because of their defense.

I think that it's just a euphemism for poor hitting

MikeS21
08-17-2006, 02:04 PM
I'm not sure why Brandon Phillips isn't being touted more at SS. This kid could be the best defensive SS in the organization if given the job.

flyer85
08-17-2006, 02:04 PM
I think that it's just a euphemism for poor hittingRey Olmedo was once to be the next Omar Vizquel.

RedsManRick
08-17-2006, 02:09 PM
The only thing he really has going for him is his plate discipline. A .270 average in the Florida State League at 22 shouldn't inspire any confidence. If you can't OPS above .700 in the majors, there's basically no amount of defense that can make up for it. (see Perez, Neifi)

thorn
08-17-2006, 04:50 PM
I've always like Janish, and Cody Strait as well. They are the only reason's I check sarasota's box scores.

flyer85
08-17-2006, 04:53 PM
A .270 average in the Florida State League at 22 shouldn't inspire any confidence. make that 23 and in 2 months 24.

thorn
08-17-2006, 04:59 PM
If i remember correctly, the FSL wasn't to kind to Votto either. In fact, there are only 8 guys in the entire league hitting over 300 and 5 of those could drop below 300 at any moment. I know Votto's younger and I'm not comparing the 2, but it's not like Janish has been around 5 years and just now made it to the FSL.

flyer85
08-17-2006, 05:16 PM
If i remember correctly, the FSL wasn't to kind to Votto either. and he was only 21.

Age/level success is a huge predictor. 23 is old for A ball and they should be dominating at that level/age if they want to have a possible major league career.

What Jay Bruce is doing is impressive but what sends it off the charts it that he is doing it as a 19 year old.

Doc. Scott
08-17-2006, 05:43 PM
Well, to Janish's credit, he's got more pop than Olmedo or Bergolla have ever had, at any level.

But being old for his level, he's got to keep it up and raise the output some more to catch any notice.

Betterread
08-17-2006, 06:42 PM
Janish has had a nice year to-date, displaying more power than he did in the past. At the same time, he has shown that he has recovered from TJ surgery, and shown good defense and good plate discipline. I think he has progressed steadily, and is more advanced than Szymanski and Tatum.

flyer85
08-17-2006, 06:46 PM
I think he has progressed steadily, and is more advanced than Szymanski and Tatum.now that is truly faint praise.

Betterread
08-17-2006, 07:02 PM
now that is truly faint praise.
Point taken. The cautious nature of my optimism for Janish's prospects was communicated unintentionally. I do think that with Janish, Valaika, Loo, Justin Turner we are starting to address our farm system's lack of infield depth. I hope that in next year's draft and perhaps in trades and FA signings, we can add to our depth.

mth123
08-21-2006, 06:43 AM
If we were still in the era of Mark Belanger, Larry Bowa and Don Kessinger I would be excited about Janisch. Now not so much.

I agree with the idea of Phillips being the guy.

camisadelgolf
08-22-2006, 01:25 PM
I'm going to say Chris Vilaika is the shortstop of the future at the moment. Or if his body is as young as the Reds front office claims, Royce Clayton.

dougdirt
08-22-2006, 02:16 PM
Valaika might be looking good, but I would hold off touting him as the SS of the future until he shows he can do something against competition above rookie ball.

Crash Davis
08-22-2006, 02:18 PM
I'm going to say Chris Vilaika is the shortstop of the future at the moment. Or if his body is as young as the Reds front office claims, Royce Clayton.

Anybody know if Valaika has been playing shortstop or second base for Billings?

I know he was drafted at SS, but started off the season playing 2B with Rojo at SS. Since they signed Turner to play 2B, has Valaika resumed playing SS?

While I'm asking, what position was Milton Loo playing in the GCL? Baseball America has him listed as a 3B, but I remember reading an article that stated he was playing SS the few times he wasn't DH-ing.

dougdirt
08-22-2006, 02:26 PM
Valaika has played a majority at SS. He has 200+ at bats as a SS and just 12 as a DH.

Milton Loo only has 5 at bats as a SS, everything else coming as a DH and PH

Kc61
08-31-2006, 11:47 PM
Janish played with Chatanooga, AA, tonight.

Superdude
08-31-2006, 11:51 PM
Valaika might be looking good, but I would hold off touting him as the SS of the future until he shows he can do something against competition above rookie ball.

Brings back so many good Rosales memories. :cry: He was such a beast last year!

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
09-01-2006, 12:35 AM
With the money we will be saving on some of the contracts that are and/or will be gone in the next year or two, I would say that the ss of the future is either at 2b right noe or is not on the team yet.

Doc. Scott
09-01-2006, 03:55 AM
Janish played with Chatanooga, AA, tonight.

And got a couple of hits. I wonder if this was temporary or not... Jeff Bannon was demoted from AAA when Brendan Harris joined the Bats, so with Harris recalled they may have pushed Bannon back up and created the spot.

Sarasota's closer, lefty Jan Granado, is also now listed on the Lookouts roster.

(The S-Reds only have four games left in their season- it's over on Sunday.)

Crash Davis
09-01-2006, 05:39 AM
And got a couple of hits. I wonder if this was temporary or not... Jeff Bannon was demoted from AAA when Brendan Harris joined the Bats, so with Harris recalled they may have pushed Bannon back up and created the spot.

Sarasota's closer, lefty Jan Granado, is also now listed on the Lookouts roster.

(The S-Reds only have four games left in their season- it's over on Sunday.)

I assumed they called him up to help in the playoffs.

Danny Serafini
09-01-2006, 09:54 AM
Bannon is still in Chattanooga, he hit a HR last night. They are doing a lot of shuffling though. I listened to last night's game, they said the Lookouts were playing with 22 guys, which was better than the 20 they had the night before. They lost a couple of pitchers, Shafer has been shut down and Coutlangus was promoted to AAA, presumably to fill the spots of today's callups. They were expecting some callups from Sarasota today to help fill out the roster.

Doc. Scott
09-01-2006, 01:54 PM
Bannon is still in Chattanooga, he hit a HR last night. They are doing a lot of shuffling though. I listened to last night's game, they said the Lookouts were playing with 22 guys, which was better than the 20 they had the night before. They lost a couple of pitchers, Shafer has been shut down and Coutlangus was promoted to AAA, presumably to fill the spots of today's callups. They were expecting some callups from Sarasota today to help fill out the roster.

Coutlangus had an ERA below 2, then gave up seven runs in his last outing. Then got promoted. Heh.

Rojo
09-01-2006, 02:47 PM
I know he was drafted at SS, but started off the season playing 2B with Rojo at SS.

Your move for Rojo. Rojo does not move for you.

cincyinco
09-02-2006, 12:11 PM
Brings back so many good Rosales memories. :cry: He was such a beast last year!

Agreed... age relative to league is incredibly important. I laughed to myself when many on this board proclaimed Rosales one of our best prospects.

College hitters/pitchers especially should dominate the lower levels of pro ball. Thats why I temper my enthusiasm for college prospects like Ward and Kevin Slowley until they do it at the upper levels(AA & above). I still don't think Krivs and Co. saw Ward as anything more than a reliever at the ML Level - and thats why they felt they could deal him. I do not neccessarily agree with that assessment, but Ward was only doing what he should have been doing the whole time. Same with Kevin Slowley, though he has adjusted well to AA and his K rate is still holding up pretty well. Just remember with college guys, temper your enthusiasm until they do it in the upper levels.

Anyway, age relative to league is what makes the performances and projections of prospects such as Delmon Young, BJ Upton(aside the D), Justin Upton, Jay Bruce, Homer Bailey, Phil Hughes, Nick Adenhart, Anthony Swarzak, Matt Cain, Felix Hernandez, Chad Billingsley, Cole Hamels, Jeremy Hermida, Carlos Gomez, Lastings Milledge, Andrew McCutchen, Eric Campbell, Prince Fielder, JJ Hardy, Scott Elbert, Matt Kemp, Nick Markakis, Hayden Penn, Adam Miller, Grady Sizemore, Bobby Jenks, Joel Zumaya, Cameron Maybin, Billy Butler, Francisco Liriano, Scott Kazmir, Brandon Wood, Daric Barton, Andy Marte, etc etc.. that much more meaningful. If you're putting up gaudy numbers against older competition, thats a good indicator of future success.

I could go on and on all day long listing guys who are doing incredible things and are not old for their league... but there are 2 particular stand outs when talking about age relative to league: Fernando Martinez and Jose Tabata. Especially these two since they are sooooooooo young for their league, and their performances are so dominant... simply special.