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Matt700wlw
08-17-2006, 01:18 PM
Pete Rose comes home to be player/manager.....August 17, 1984

redsmetz
08-17-2006, 01:29 PM
From the headlines of that day's paper you would have thought it was the Second Coming of Jesus Christ or the return of McArthur to the Phillipines! I can't find an image thought. Dang!

Matt700wlw
08-17-2006, 01:30 PM
I was 4, but I hear this town was absolutely beside itself...

Doc. Scott
08-17-2006, 01:39 PM
Still have the certificate they passed out at the gate (well, okay, my dad got it).

dabvu2498
08-17-2006, 01:42 PM
Game Played on Friday, August 17, 1984 (N) at Riverfront Stadium
CHI N 1 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 4 5 2
CIN N 3 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 x - 6 12 0
BATTINGChicago Cubs AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Dernier cf 4 1 1 0 0 0 2 0
Sandberg 2b 4 1 1 0 0 1 2 3
Matthews lf 2 1 1 1 2 0 2 0
Durham 1b 3 1 1 3 1 0 9 1
Moreland rf 4 0 0 0 0 1 2 0
Cey 3b 3 0 1 0 1 0 1 0
Davis c 3 0 0 0 1 0 3 2
Veryzer ss 3 0 0 0 0 0 3 5
Ruthven p 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1
Johnstone ph 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Frazier p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 29 4 5 4 5 4 24 12
FIELDING -
DP: 1. Sandberg-Veryzer-Durham.
E: Dernier (5), Cey (7).
BATTING -
2B: Dernier (18,off Soto).
HR: Durham (17,3rd inning off Soto 2 on 2 out).
Team LOB: 3.
BASERUNNING -
CS: Matthews (7,2nd base by Soto/Gulden).
Cincinnati Reds AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Redus cf 4 1 1 0 0 0 1 0
Milner cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0
Rose 1b 4 1 2 2 0 0 11 1
Parker rf 3 1 1 1 1 0 2 0
Cedeno lf 4 1 2 1 0 1 1 0
Gulden c 4 1 2 1 0 0 4 2
Concepcion 3b 4 0 1 1 0 0 0 1
Oester 2b 3 0 1 0 1 1 2 4
Foley ss 4 1 1 0 0 1 3 4
Soto p 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 2
Totals 32 6 12 6 2 3 27 14
FIELDING -
DP: 2. Soto-Foley-Rose, Foley-Oester-Rose.
BATTING -
2B: Concepcion (20,off Ruthven); Rose (7,off Frazier).
HR: Cedeno (7,3rd inning off Ruthven 0 on 1 out); Parker (12,5th inning off
Ruthven 0 on 2 out).
SH: Soto (4,off Frazier).
IBB: Parker (7,by Frazier).
Team LOB: 5.
BASERUNNING -
SB: Redus (42,2nd base off Ruthven/Davis).
CS: Cedeno (2,2nd base by Ruthven/Davis); Gulden (2,2nd base by Ruthven/Davis).
PITCHINGChicago Cubs IP H R ER BB SO HR
Ruthven L(3-8) 6 9 5 5 1 3 2
Frazier 2 3 1 1 1 0 0
Totals 8 12 6 6 2 3 2
Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Soto W(13-6) 9 5 4 4 5 4 1
IBB: Frazier (6,Parker).
Umpires: Harry Wendelstedt, Bob Davidson, Dick Stello, Jerry Dale
Time of Game: 2:46 Attendance: 35038
Starting Lineups:

Chicago Cubs Cincinnati Reds
1. Dernier cf Redus cf
2. Sandberg 2b Rose 1b
3. Matthews lf Parker rf
4. Durham 1b Cedeno lf
5. Moreland rf Gulden c
6. Cey 3b Concepcion 3b
7. Davis c Oester 2b
8. Veryzer ss Foley ss
9. Ruthven p Soto p

CUBS 1ST: Dernier doubled; Sandberg grounded out (shortstop to
first) [Dernier to third]; Matthews singled [Dernier scored];
Durham grounded into a double play (pitcher to shortstop to
first) [Matthews out at second]; 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Cubs 1,
Reds 0.

REDS 1ST: Redus singled; Redus stole second; Rose singled [Redus
scored, Rose to third (error by Dernier)]; Parker made an out to
center; Cedeno struck out; Gulden singled [Rose scored];
Concepcion doubled [Gulden scored]; Oester walked; Foley struck
out; 3 R, 4 H, 1 E, 2 LOB. Cubs 1, Reds 3.

CUBS 2ND: Moreland grounded out (pitcher to first); Cey made an
out to shortstop; Davis walked; Veryzer grounded out (second to
first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Cubs 1, Reds 3.

REDS 2ND: Soto singled; Redus made an out to center; Rose
grounded into a double play (second to shortstop to first) [Soto
out at second]; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Cubs 1, Reds 3.

CUBS 3RD: Ruthven struck out; Dernier made an out to first;
Sandberg singled; Matthews walked [Sandberg to second]; Durham
homered [Sandberg scored, Matthews scored]; Moreland made an out
to second; 3 R, 2 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Cubs 4, Reds 3.

REDS 3RD: Parker made an out to first; Cedeno homered; Gulden
made an out to right; Concepcion grounded out (shortstop to
first); 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Cubs 4, Reds 4.

CUBS 4TH: Cey singled; Davis grounded into a double play
(shortstop to second to first) [Cey out at second]; Veryzer
grounded out (shortstop to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Cubs
4, Reds 4.

REDS 4TH: Oester struck out; Foley made an out to second; Soto
grounded out (shortstop to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Cubs
4, Reds 4.

CUBS 5TH: Ruthven made an out to right; Dernier made an out to
right; Sandberg struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Cubs 4, Reds
4.

REDS 5TH: Redus made an out to right; Rose grounded out
(shortstop to first); Parker homered; Cedeno singled; Cedeno was
caught stealing second (catcher to shortstop); 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 0
LOB. Cubs 4, Reds 5.

CUBS 6TH: Matthews walked; Durham made an out to center;
Matthews was caught stealing second (catcher to second to first
to shortstop); Moreland struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Cubs
4, Reds 5.

REDS 6TH: Gulden singled; Gulden was caught stealing second
(catcher to shortstop); Concepcion reached on an error by Cey
[Concepcion to first]; Oester made an out to left; Concepcion
was picked off first (pitcher to first); 0 R, 1 H, 1 E, 0 LOB.
Cubs 4, Reds 5.

CUBS 7TH: Cey walked; Davis grounded out (catcher to first) [Cey
to second]; Veryzer grounded out (third to first); JOHNSTONE
BATTED FOR RUTHVEN; Johnstone struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.
Cubs 4, Reds 5.

REDS 7TH: FRAZIER REPLACED JOHNSTONE (PITCHING); Foley singled;
Soto out on a sacrifice bunt (first to second) [Foley to
second]; Redus grounded out (shortstop to first); Rose doubled
[Foley scored]; Parker was walked intentionally; Cedeno made an
out to third; 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Cubs 4, Reds 6.

CUBS 8TH: MILNER REPLACED REDUS (PLAYING CF); Dernier made an
out to center; Sandberg grounded out (second to first); Matthews
made an out to first; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Cubs 4, Reds 6.

REDS 8TH: Gulden grounded out (second to first); Concepcion
grounded out (second to first); Oester singled; Foley made an
out to left; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Cubs 4, Reds 6.

CUBS 9TH: Durham walked; Moreland made an out to center; Cey
made an out to center; Davis made an out to left; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E,
1 LOB. Cubs 4, Reds 6.

Final Totals R H E LOB
Cubs 4 5 2 3
Reds 6 12 0 5

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dabvu2498
08-17-2006, 01:45 PM
Still have the certificate they passed out at the gate (well, okay, my dad got it).
I was 8 and I was there. My father and I had been in St. Louis watching the Reds and Cardinals and were headed home to Jackson, MS. At some point during the drive, we heard the announcement on the radio and Dad says "we have to go see that, son." So we did. I think that's where I caught "the bug."

macro
08-17-2006, 01:47 PM
One thing that sticks out to me about that night was the tee shirts they had made up that said "Pete's Back!". Cubs' coach Don Zimmer even wore one.

That night began to heal the wound of his leaving a few years earlier, but the back of his baseball card should have never listed any teams except for the Reds. Same for Tony Perez.

dabvu2498
08-17-2006, 01:48 PM
Didn't Pete get a triple that night?


Single and a two base error by Bob Dernier. And a monster head-first slide into third base in his first at bat. Just thinking about it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

NJReds
08-17-2006, 02:04 PM
If there had been a Redszone, it most certainly would've crashed that day.;)

westofyou
08-17-2006, 02:06 PM
If there had been a Redszone, it most certainly would've crashed that day.;)
What would have happened when Esasky rode the pine so Pete could play 2 years later?

cumberlandreds
08-17-2006, 02:12 PM
I remember watching it on TV. There was electricity in the air that I had never seen or seeen since. The crowd was wild! When Rose tripled or a single and a two base error, the stadium just exploded. It was something I'll never forget. The exiled emperor returning home!

Matt700wlw
08-17-2006, 02:18 PM
For those who want to re-live it.....the highlight of Pete's headfirst slide will be on the pregame show

redsmetz
08-17-2006, 02:19 PM
For those who want to re-live it.....the highlight of Pete's headfirst slide will be on the pregame show

What time does the pregame start? I heard Seg and Cunningham and I don't want to listen to Cunningham.

Chip R
08-17-2006, 02:28 PM
I was so glad they were playing the Cubs that game so I could go over to my grandparents and watch it since my family didn't have cable.

Roy Tucker
08-17-2006, 02:29 PM
Words cannot express the suckitude of Cincinnati baseball circa 1982-1984. Like a mastadon in the La Brear tarpits, it seemed like the Reds would never get out of their mire.

When Rose came back, it was like a last second reprieve from the governor. All would be well again. Rose was lucky in that his arrival coincided with Eric Davis, Paul O'Neill, Kal Daniels, Larkin, Browning, etc.

I still marvel at Mario Soto's 18-7 record on a 70-92 1984 team.

oregonred
08-17-2006, 02:31 PM
Single and a two base error by Bob Dernier. And a monster head-first slide into third base in his first at bat. Just thinking about it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

That headfirst slide into third was one of the greatest Reds moments ever. Given the buzz in the stadium/town that day.

And yes the area was electric when the Rose returning rumors quickly became reality and baseball officially returned to Cincinnati (after being dead from the '81 strike hosing and the '82/'83 Reds on-the-field product.

Matt700wlw
08-17-2006, 02:31 PM
What time does the pregame start? I heard Seg and Cunningham and I don't want to listen to Cunningham.

1:40...it will run shortly after that in the second segment.

westofyou
08-17-2006, 02:35 PM
Words cannot express the suckitude of Cincinnati baseball circa 1982-1984.I moved west at the start of the 1982 season, the NL West in 1982 had a great race that I got to watch first hand, however the Reds suckitude was red lining in the background... a painful time indeed.

Bill James led off his 1983 Abstract with this about the Reds.

"A few notes on the end of an era (and don't kid yourself; it's over)"

oregonred
08-17-2006, 02:37 PM
Words cannot express the suckitude of Cincinnati baseball circa 1982-1984. Like a mastadon in the La Brear tarpits, it seemed like the Reds would never get out of their mire.

When Rose came back, it was like a last second reprieve from the governor. All would be well again. Rose was lucky in that his arrival coincided with Eric Davis, Paul O'Neill, Kal Daniels, Larkin, Browning, etc.

I still marvel at Mario Soto's 18-7 record on a 70-92 1984 team.

That's what I was trying to say --exactly right :beerme:

Heath
08-18-2006, 10:33 AM
IIRC - Ken Wilson and Ray Lane brought us the color images from Riverfront Stadium as the Cubs played the Reds.

You have to understand something about Ray Lane. Ray was an "older gentleman" who always felt the need that you could watch the game in color. By 1984, most TV sets were of the color variety.

But, anyway, I digress. When Pete hit third with the headfirst slide, the sound from Riverfront Stadium reached the point of H-Bomb decibles.

Great, great night.

Ltlabner
08-18-2006, 10:36 AM
Words cannot express the suckitude of Cincinnati baseball circa 1982-1984. Like a mastadon in the La Brear tarpits, it seemed like the Reds would never get out of their mire.

When Rose came back, it was like a last second reprieve from the governor. All would be well again. Rose was lucky in that his arrival coincided with Eric Davis, Paul O'Neill, Kal Daniels, Larkin, Browning, etc.

I still marvel at Mario Soto's 18-7 record on a 70-92 1984 team.


I still remember the night the news broke that Rose was comming back. We were meeting my grandparents in Middletown, Ohio for dinner. Dad and I sat in the car listening to the opening tidbits of the story as it began to break. It was wonderfull. We sat out there so long that they had to come get us because everybody else wanted to eat!

BrooklynRedz
08-18-2006, 11:55 AM
My family and I were in the car, somewhere along I-75 in the middle of Georgia, moving from Ashland, Ky, to Ft. Myers, Fla., when news of Rose's return broke on the radio. I'll never forget asking my dad if it was too late to change our minds.

Doc. Scott
08-18-2006, 02:34 PM
If there had been a Redszone, it most certainly would've crashed that day.;)

Well, the RedsZone BBS would have crashed with more than six simultaneous users. :)

Unassisted
08-18-2006, 09:36 PM
That was a happy day. The world just seemed so much more full of possibility on that day. :)

The only other Reds personnel announcement I recall that compared to that was the day the Griffey signing was announced. That one pales by comparison, since it wasn't in-season.

jnwohio
08-19-2006, 12:22 AM
I was 4, but I hear this town was absolutely beside itself...

Mr. Howsam was somewhat chargrined that word leaked out ahead of time about the announcement. He was hoping to slip Rose into town to have him step out from behind the curtain as a 100% total surprise. (My memory is a little fuzzy but I believe somehow it leaked on the Montreal end as Pete was in transit to Cincy).

Could it have been any crazier if Howsam had pulled that off? Hard to imagine but I'll bet one way or another it would have been.