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SultanOfSwing
08-17-2006, 12:20 PM
Thought some might find this interesting to view and ponder over. Who would you be interested in? Who do you think we may get?

Unofficial Major League Baseball
2006- 2007 Free Agents

Catcher:
Jorge Posada (Team Option)
Damian Miller (Team + Player option)
Henry Blanco
Doug Mirabelli
Javier Valentin
Vance Wilson
Chris Widger
Paul Bako
Kelly Stinnett
Gregg Zaun
Gary Bennett
Ken Huckaby
Einar Diaz
John Flaherty
Mike DiFelice
Alberto Castillo
Todd Pratt
Sandy Alomar Jr.
Ivan Rodriguez (Poss. Void Option)
Rod Barajas
Javy Lopez
Mike Redmond

1B/DH:
Sean Casey
Phil Nevin
Shea Hillenbrand
Dmitri Young
Nomar Garciaparra
Doug Mientkiewicz
Carl Everett (Team Option)
Tim Salmon
Robert Fick
Brian Daubach
John Mabry
Derrek Lee
Jeff Bagwell (Team Option)
Darin Erstad
Dimitri Young (Team Option)
David Ortiz (Team Option)
Craig Wilson
Nick Johnson
Aubrey Huff

2B:
Luis Castillo (Team Option)
Junior Spivey
Mark Lorretta
Ray Durham
Pokey Reese
Damian Jackson
Damion Easley
Ronnie Belliard
Eric Young
Mark Bellhorn
Joe McEwing
Adam Kennedy
Jeff Kent
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Geoff Blum
Juan Castro (Team Option)
Tony Womack
Alfonso Soriano
Rich Aurilla

3B:
Edgardo Alfonzo
Aaron Boone (Mutual Option)
Lenny Harris
Tony Batista
Wes Helms
David Bell
Vinny Castilla
Russell Branyan
Melvin Mora
Tony Batista
Pedro Feliz

SS:
Tomas Perez (club option)
Kazuo Matsui (can opt for either free agency or arb.)
Craig Counsell
Julio Lugo
Chris Gomez
Deivi Cruz
Lou Merloni
Manny Alexander
Jose Vizcaino
Jose Valentin
Royce Clayton
Alex Gonzalez

LF:
Luis Gonzalez (Mutual Option)
Ricky Ledee
Barry Bonds
Ryan Klesko (Team Option)
Cliff Floyd
Carlos Lee
Rondell White (Team Option)
Raul Ibanez
David Dellucci

CF:
Jim Edmonds (Team Option)
Mike Cameron (Team Option)
Juan Pierre
Kenny Lofton
Bernie Williams
Gary Matthews Jr.
Jay Payton
Randy Winn
Torii Hunter (Team Option)
Steve Finley (Team Option)
Milton Bradley
Aaron Rowand (Player + Team Options)(arb.)
Dave Roberts

RF:
Gary Sheffield (Team Option)
Shannon Stewart
Jay Gibbons
Matt Stairs
Matt Lawton
Moises Alou
Jacob Cruz
Jose Cruz Jr. (Team Option)
Trot Nixon
Frank Catalanotto
Jermaine Dye (Team Option)
J.D. Drew (Player Void Option)
Jose Guillen

RHSP:
Jeff Weaver
Joel Pineiro
John Smoltz (Team Option)
Paul Wilson (Team Option)
Wade Miller
Tomo Ohka
Ramon Ortiz
Jason Johnson (Mutual Option)
Gil Meche
Joe Mays
Sidney Ponson
Tony Armas Jr.
Kevin Jarvis
Greg Maddux
Brian Moehler
Jason Schmidt
Jeff Suppan
Rick Helling
Woody Williams
Brad Radke
Kerry Wood (Mutual Option)
Mike Mussina (Team Option)
Cory Lidle
Kelvim Escobar
Chan Ho Park
Ryan Franklin
Orlando Hernandez
Jaret Wright (Team + Player Void options)
Kip Wells
Jason Marquis
Vicente Padilla
Adam Eaton
Tim Wakefield (Annual Team Renew Option)

LHSP:
Ted Lilly
Mark Redman
Tom Glavine
Jamie Moyer
Andy Pettitte
Mark Mulder
Barry Zito
Doug Davis
Randy Wolf
Mark Buerhle (Team Option)
David Wells
Darrell May
Eric Milton (Void Option)

LHRP:
Arthur Rhodes
Bruce Chen
Aaron Fultz
C.J. Nitkowski
Dennys Reyes
Mike Stanton
John Wasdin
Kelly Wunsch
Darren Oliver
Chris Hammond (Mutual Option--Likely to Retire)
Joey Eischen
Scott Sauerbeck (Team Option)
Ray King (Team Option)
Justin Speier
Kent Mercker
Steve Kline
Scott Schoenweis
Damaso Marte (Team Option) (arb.)
J.C. Romero (Team Option)
Ron Villone
Trever Miller

RHRP:
Solomon Torres
Jim Brower
David Riske
Roberto Hernandez
Joe Borowski
LaTroy Hawkins
Rudy Seanez (Team Option)
Giovanni Carrara
Danny Graves
Steve Karsay
Octavio Dotel
Jason Grimsley
Ramiro Mendoza
Chad Bradford
Doug Brocail
Mike Lincoln
Jose Mesa (Team Option)
Russ Springer
Carlos Almanzar
David Weathers
Mike Timlin
Tanyon Sturtze
Scott Strickland
Terry Adams
Julio Santana (possibly arb.)
Mike DeJean (Mutual Option)
Esteban Yan
Ron Mahay (Team Option)
Chris Reitsma
Guillermo Mota
Dan Kolb

Closer:
Mariano Rivera (Team Option)
Troy Percival
Francisco Cordero (Team Option)
Keith Foulke (Mutual + Player Option)
Dustin Hermanson (Team option)
Eric Gagne (Team Option + Player Void Option)
Eddie Guardado
Bob Wickman

Top 25 FA List:

1) Daisuke Matsuzaka, SP, Seibu Lions (Japan) The only question about Matsuzaka concerns his pitch counts. He did once throw a 250-pitch game as a high schooler, and just this week he won his 10th game by going the distance in a 10-inning victory. Projected contract: four years, $50 million

2) Barry Zito, SP, Oakland Athletics A Cy Young winner at 24, Zito never gets hurt, is unfazed by the cutthroat American League and, best of all, is left-handed. He may not be the best of the class, but, at 28, he might get the most money. Projected contract: five years, $75 million

3) Alfonso Soriano, 2B/OF, Washington Nationals He hits home runs, he runs well and he plays two positions. Aside from that, there's plenty to nitpick about Soriano, like his fielding liabilities and low walk rates (which, admittedly, have improved this year, while his strikeouts have jumped, too). In the end, he's still the best hitter in the class, and he'll get paid as such. Projected contract: five years, $67.5 million

4) Carlos Lee, OF, Milwaukee Brewers The steadiest hitter in the class, Lee is good for 30 home runs and 100 RBIs every year. This season, his best yet, Lee could pass 40 and 120. Projected contract: five years, $62.5 million

5) Nomar Garciaparra, 1B, Los Angeles Dodgers Garciaparra took a make-good $6 million deal and made great, and now he's in line to get another huge payday. It probably won't be for the four years he wants, but it could inch up to $40 million. Projected contract: three years, $35 million

6) Jason Schmidt, SP, San Francisco Giants After a poor 2005, Schmidt is looking more like he did in 2003, when he was the best starting pitcher in the game. While his strikeouts are down, batters are hitting just .216 against him. The one concern: He turns 34 in January. Projected contract: four years, $45 million

7) Mike Mussina*, SP, Yankees While the Yankees would love to keep Mussina, doing so for $17 million could be prohibitive, even with the season he's having (10-3, 3.24 ERA). Should they not pick up the option, let the bidding begin for a right-hander who will be 38 on Opening Day. Projected contract: three years, $34 million

8) Torii Hunter*, OF, Minnesota Twins In Hunter, teams can guarantee themselves first-rate defense (five straight Gold Gloves), decent pop and speed (he's gone 20-20 twice) and strong leadership. Just don't expect numbers that will blow you away. Projected contract: three years, $30 million

9) Seung-Yeop Lee, 1B, Yomiuri Giants (Japan) Lee led the WBC with five home runs no surprise considering he set an Asian record with 56 homers in his native Korea in 2003, leads Japan's Central League with 28 home runs and is batting .322. He is a free agent after this season and, at 30 years old, should draw lots of interest. Projected contract: three years, $21 million

10) Mark Mulder, SP, St. Louis Cardinals Three of the worst words a pitcher can hear are "rotator-cuff injury." The eight absolute worst are "rotator-cuff injury in a free-agent season." Mulder might have lost himself $35 million, unless he comes back and proves himself healthy. Projected contract: three years, $30 million

11) Gary Sheffield*, OF, New York Yankees Sheffield's wrists have made him about $130 million over his career, so that his left one now is failing him his torn tendon will make teams very leery shouldn't make him complain too much. Someone still will take a chance on him albeit at a lesser rate. Projected contract: one year, $9 million

12) Julio Lugo, SS, Tampa Bay Devil Rays He hits well, runs well and fields well, and if Lugo weren't stuck in baseball Hades, people just might know him a little better. When he gets a big-money deal this offseason, they will. Projected contract: three years, $20 million

13) Gary Matthews Jr., OF, Texas Rangers Nice year to break out. Matthews, on his seventh team, made his first All-Star Game and has worked himself into Gold Glove conversations. Time to cash in. Projected contract: three years, $20 million

14) Cliff Floyd, OF, New York Mets Not a good year to slump. Floyd was in line for his last big contract, and instead he's spent nearly a quarter of the season injured. Still, he can be great at times and is a good clubhouse presence, which will at least earn him a multi-year deal. Projected contract: two years, $12 million

15) Barry Bonds, OF, San Francisco He's this high because of his name, not his production. And it is name, and name alone, that will get Bonds a deal in the one-year, $10 million range if he decides to return. An early guess: He won't. Projected contract: Retired

16) Jason Marquis, SP, St. Louis Take away the 13-run mess of an outing he endured, followed by another seven-run debacle, and Marquis' ERA is almost a full point less than his current 5.43. The main point: He's 27 and throws 95. Someone will bite. Projected contract: four years, $28 million

17) Kerry Wood*, SP, Chicago Cubs Someone's going to take a chance on Wood with a one-year deal that's loaded with performance bonuses. If it works out, good for him and the team. If it doesn't well, no one will be that surprised. Projected contract: one year, $4 million (with incentives to $8 million)

18) Trot Nixon, OF, Boston Red Sox Despite a small slump Nixon took an 0-for-9 in the 19-inning game against the White Sox Nixon is playing the best he has since 2003. He doesn't turn 33 until April and probably has a couple good years left. Projected contract: two years, $14 million

19) Adam Eaton, SP, Texas On the plus side: He'll be 29 on Opening Day. On the minus: He's got a career ERA of 4.34 and hasn't started a game this season because of a broken finger. Projected contract: two years, $11 million

20) Bengie Molina*, C, Toronto Blue Jays Molina held out for too much money last season and hasn't impressed the Blue Jays enough to merit them picking up his $7.5 million option. Projected contract: two years, $10 million

21) Frank Catalanotto, OF/IF, Toronto Woefully underappreciated since his days with Detroit, Catalanotto not only is versatile, he can straight hit. His OPS is .933 and his walks-to-strikeouts are a tremendous 38-to-16. Whoever signs him gets a steal. Projected contract: three years, $14 million

22) Ted Lilly, SP, Toronto Just two years ago, the Blue Jays were so bad that Lilly was their All-Star. He won't be back anytime soon, but he is a left-handed starter with a pulse, which pretty much guarantees him an eight-figure deal. Projected contract: two years, $12 million

23) Juan Pierre, OF, Chicago Cubs Because he is fast and because he is a leadoff hitter and because two years ago he hit .326, and because he will be only 29, Pierre will make far more money than he deserves. This could be the albatross contract of '06. Projected contract: three years, $24 million

24) Shea Hillenbrand, IF, Toronto Serviceable hitter who always will hover around .300. Seems to have a genuine fear of walks, which will scare away a score of teams in need of a bat. Projected contract: two years, $11 million

25) Eric Gagne*, RP, Los Angeles Dodgers Off to surgery again, Gagne essentially is missing his second straight year because of injury problems. His potential is the only reason he's on this list, and it alone will get him a deal. Projected contract: one year, $3 million (with incentives to $7 million)

25a) Roger Clemens, SP, Houston Astros Just in case. Projected contract: Retired

A dozen potential bargains

1) Rod Barajas, C, Texas
2) Gil Meche, SP, Seattle
3) David Dellucci, OF, Philadelphia
4) Mark DeRosa, 2B/OF, Texas
5) Jose Guillen, OF, Washington
6) Scott Hatteberg, 1B, Cincinnati
7) Tomo Ohka, SP, Milwaukee
8) Dave Roberts, OF, San Diego
9) Javier Valentin, C, Cincinnati
10) Jeff Weaver, SP, St. Louis
11) Randy Wolf, SP, Philadelphia
12) Craig Wilson, 1B/OF, Pittsburgh

Seven expiring big contracts that will get smaller

1) Chan Ho Park, SP, San Diego five years, $65 million
2) Phil Nevin, 1B, Chicago Cubs four years, $34 million
3) Darin Erstad, OF, Los Angeles Angels four years, $32 million
4) Andy Pettitte, SP, Houston three years, $31.5 million
5) Mike Lieberthal, C, Philadelphia three years, $23.5 million
6) Javy Lopez, C/1B, Baltimore three years, $22.5 million
7) Brad Radke, SP, Minnesota two years, $18 million

A baker's dozen options that should be declined (holder of option in parentheses)

1) Jim Edmonds, OF, St. Louis $10 million (club)
2) Luis Gonzalez, OF, Arizona $10 million (club)
3) Ryan Klesko, 1B/OF, San Diego $8 million (club)
4) Mike Piazza, C, San Diego $8 million (club)
5) Preston Wilson, OF, Houston $24 million over three years (club)
6) Steve Finley, OF, San Francisco $7 million (club)
7) Dmitri Young, OF, Detroit $7 million (club)
8) Jeromy Burnitz, OF, Pittsburgh $6 million (mutual)
9) Luis Castillo, 2B, Minnesota $5.75 million (club)
10) Paul Wilson, SP, Cincinnati $5.15 million (club)
11) Francisco Cordero, RP, Texas $5 million (club)
12) Jose Cruz Jr., OF, Los Angeles Dodgers $4 million (club)
13) Aaron Boone, 3B, Cleveland $3.75 million (mutual)

10 options that should be accepted

1) Aramis Ramirez, 3B, Chicago Cubs $33.5 million over three years (player)
2) Mark Buehrle, SP, Chicago White Sox $9.5 million (club)
3) John Smoltz, SP, Atlanta $8 million (club)
4) Mike Cameron, OF, San Diego $7 million (club)
5) Jermaine Dye, OF, Chicago White Sox $6 million (club)
6) Tim Wakefield, SP, Boston $4 million (club)
7) Keith Foulke, RP, Boston $3.75 million (player)
8) Casey Blake, IF/OF, Cleveland $3.75 million (club)
9) Damian Miller, C, Milwaukee $3.75 million (club)
10) Jose Mesa, RP, Colorado $3 million (club)

11 players who could retire

1) Sandy Alomar Jr., C, Los Angeles Dodgers
2) Moises Alou, OF, San Francisco
3) Eddie Guardado, RP, Cincinnati
4) Greg Maddux, SP, Chicago Cubs
5) Jamie Moyer, SP, Seattle
6) Troy Percival, RP, Detroit
7) Tim Salmon, OF, Los Angeles Angels
8) Matt Stairs, OF, Kansas City
9) David Wells, SP, Boston
10) Bob Wickman, RP, Cleveland
11) Bernie Williams, OF, New York Yankees

20 others worth watching

1) Tony Armas Jr., SP, Washington
2) Danys Baez, RP, Los Angeles Dodgers
3) Ronnie Belliard, 2B, Cleveland
4) Craig Counsell, 2B, Arizona
5) Ray Durham, 2B, San Francisco
6) Pedro Feliz, 3B/1B, San Francisco
7) Aubrey Huff, 3B/OF, Houston
8) Adam Kennedy, 2B, Los Angeles Angels
9) Cory Lidle, SP, Philadelphia
10) Kenny Lofton, OF, Los Angeles Dodgers
11) Mark Loretta, 2B, Boston
12) Doug Mientkiewicz, 1B, Kansas City
13) Vicente Padilla, SP, Texas
14) Mark Redman, SP, Kansas City
15) Shannon Stewart, OF, Minnesota
16) Jeff Suppan, SP, St. Louis
17) Frank Thomas, DH, Oakland
18) Mike Timlin, RP, Boston
19) Steve Trachsel, SP, New York Mets
20) Todd Walker, 2B, Chicago Cubs

guttle11
08-17-2006, 12:32 PM
Mark Grudzielanek just signed an extension.

As far as the Reds, I'd make a strong push for Jason Schmidt and Mark Loretta. Phillips moves to SS.

dabvu2498
08-17-2006, 12:36 PM
Smoltz is a closer??? Somebody tell Bobby Cox!

oneupper
08-17-2006, 12:37 PM
Any chance you BOLD the REDS on the list?

mound_patrol
08-17-2006, 12:42 PM
It'd be nice if we could good get hunter and Schmidt. Cost us quite a bit though.

Z-Fly
08-17-2006, 12:48 PM
It'd be nice if we could good get hunter and Schmidt. Cost us quite a bit though.

They seem to be going into the 4th quarter of their careers. Id pass.

SultanOfSwing
08-17-2006, 12:48 PM
Any chance you BOLD the REDS on the list?

That should do it.

mound_patrol
08-17-2006, 12:54 PM
Hunter is 31 and Schmidt is 33...Why wouldn't you want them for 3 years. I think Schmidt would cost too much for us, but Hunter is a possibility. Especially With Krivsky at the helm.

Red Leader
08-17-2006, 12:55 PM
I'd like Mark Loretta at 2B. A lot. Move Phillips to SS.
I'd also like Milton Bradley or Aaron Rowand in CF moving Griffey to RF.
As for pitchers. Ech. Yuck. Not much there. Vicente Padilla intrigues me, but I think almost all of them will get more money than they are worth. All of the #4's will be paid like #2's. #2's will be paid like perennial Cy Young candidates.

dabvu2498
08-17-2006, 12:56 PM
Will Tomo Ohka be overvalued? (Not a rhetorical question...)

mound_patrol
08-17-2006, 12:58 PM
we obviously need to bulster the bullpen as well. A guy like Bradford would be a nice addition

Z-Fly
08-17-2006, 01:00 PM
Ech. Yuck. Not much there. Vicente Padilla intrigues me, but I think almost all of them will get more money than they are worth. All of the #4's will be paid like #2's. #2's will be paid like perennial Cy Young candidates.

Seems to be the story every year. A good example is Milton.

SultanOfSwing
08-17-2006, 01:03 PM
I'd like Mark Loretta at 2B. A lot. Move Phillips to SS.
I'd also like Milton Bradley or Aaron Rowand in CF moving Griffey to RF.
As for pitchers. Ech. Yuck. Not much there. Vicente Padilla intrigues me, but I think almost all of them will get more money than they are worth. All of the #4's will be paid like #2's. #2's will be paid like perennial Cy Young candidates.

Although Rowand technically will become a free agent, there is now way he does not sign with the Phillies or get traded to White-Sox. Several players on this list fall into that category (John Smoltz, Jermaine Dye, etc.), but, you never know.

cincrazy
08-17-2006, 01:05 PM
Vicente Padilla seems to be the Jose Guillen of pitchers. Which is, very talented, but a freaking nutcase. I don't think I'd put 5 cents into that man, let alone millions of dollars. He is VERY intriguing, but I don't think that's the kind of guy you can put a lot of money in, especially after the way he reacted just the other night in the Rangers-Angels game. I'm not sure I'd want Schmidt either, he's battled some arm problems the last few years, and a mid market team like ourselves really doesn't need to take that kind of risk. Loretta to play second would be very nice though

GOREDSGO32
08-17-2006, 01:08 PM
Zito + Gagne + Schmitt please, K thx.

dfs
08-17-2006, 01:10 PM
I expect every single one of those left handed relievers will at least be in camp for the reds. Clearly Krivsky is trying to corner the market.

dabvu2498
08-17-2006, 01:12 PM
ignore: wrong thread!

blumj
08-17-2006, 01:14 PM
I'd like Mark Loretta at 2B. A lot.
No, you wouldn't. I thought I would, too, when the Red Sox got him, but he's got minimal range, zero speed, and very little power. I don't think he's quite the player he used to be. I don't see Alex Gonzalez on that list at SS, and he will be a free agent. I'm hoping as a Red Sox fan that they can get draft picks for Loretta and keep Gonzalez, but I don't really expect either to happen.

Gizmo
08-17-2006, 01:14 PM
Zito + Gagne + Schmitt please, K thx.

not sure I'd want Gagne at this point. 2 straight seasons on the shelf, I'd be concerned about his ability when/if he's finally healthy again.

Benihana
08-17-2006, 01:17 PM
Wouldn't mind taking a chance on Luis Castillo. His speed and ability to get on base while providing steady defense would be a nice complement to this infield. As far as pitchers go, I'd love Zito but he is no more than a pipe dream.

mound_patrol
08-17-2006, 01:18 PM
I expect every single one of those left handed relievers will at least be in camp for the reds. Clearly Krivsky is trying to corner the market.

You've got it all wrong. Next years camp will have all of these players present.



Tony Batista Minnesota Twins 3B FA 8.072 Andy Mota 32
Luis Castillo Minnesota Twins 2B 25-man 8.055 Sam and Seth Levinson 30 T
Erubiel Durazo Minnesota Twins 1B FA 5.071 Diego Bentz 31
Torii Hunter Minnesota Twins CF 25-man 6.135 Patrick Murphy 31 T
Brad Radke Minnesota Twins RHSP 25-man 11 Ron Simon 33
Dennys Reyes Minnesota Twins LHRP 25-man 6.133 Oscar Suarez 29
Ruben Sierra Minnesota Twins DH FA 16.085 Chuck Berry 40
Shannon Stewart Minnesota Twins LF 15-Day 8.121 Greg Genske 32
Rondell White Minnesota Twins LF 15-Day 11.162 Sam and Seth Levinson 34 T

dabvu2498
08-17-2006, 01:20 PM
You've got it all wrong. Next years camp will have all of these players present.

And all of these:

Jorge Posada
Damian Miller
Henry Blanco
Doug Mirabelli
Javier Valentin
Vance Wilson
Chris Widger
Paul Bako
Kelly Stinnett
Gregg Zaun
Gary Bennett
Ken Huckaby
Einar Diaz
John Flaherty
Mike DiFelice
Alberto Castillo
Todd Pratt
Sandy Alomar Jr.
Ivan Rodriguez
Rod Barajas
Javy Lopez
Mike Redmond

Nugget
08-17-2006, 07:47 PM
They may bring back Reitsma to replace Stormy - depending on how Krivs, Hume, et al see Bray's performance and health wise maybe Everyday Eddie too. As for middle infielders they would probably have Harris as the 2B with Rich as the back-up. Hunter may be a go you never know.

As for starting pitching I don't think the REDS are going to go out a buy a #1 so your probably going to be looking at a Ted Lilly or Brad Radke if they did pick up a FA SP.

jamess697
08-17-2006, 08:34 PM
Hopefully we try to sign/resign:
Rich Aurilla-stay on bench or start at second
Juan Pierre-provide solid leadoff man-move Griff to right-Freel to second
Ted Lilly-solid 4th starter
Randy Wolf-solid 3rd-5th starter
David Riske-strong right hand bullpen guy
Eddie Guardado-proven closer to mentor Bray

griffeyfan3
08-17-2006, 08:55 PM
I wouldn't mind taking a shot a Luis Castillo either, seeing what he did in Florida we can just hope that he repeats. As for the pen, Bradford and Rhodes could be nice additons.

dieselman44
08-17-2006, 09:12 PM
bring back jose guillen!


dude can mash in our park.

FoReel
08-17-2006, 09:42 PM
Wow, it seems there are a lot bigger names out there, than there was last year. Thats a great sign because we have and aggressive GM, this year.

VI_RedsFan
08-17-2006, 10:29 PM
Wouldn't mind taking a chance on Luis Castillo. His speed and ability to get on base while providing steady defense would be a nice complement to this infield. As far as pitchers go, I'd love Zito but he is no more than a pipe dream.

I agree on Castillo. I think he could be had for pretty cheap. Bring him in, move BP to SS and we've got ourselves a pretty good infield.

Bringing in Dave Roberts or Mike Cameron wouldn't be too bad either. Either or them can share time in center with Farney, which would give us the oppertunity to move Junior to RF (I doubt he would move out of CF, but it's worth a dream).

As for starting pitching, I think Kriv should make a move for Lilly/Ohka/Meche. Sure, getting a Zito or Schmidt would be nice, but there is no chance in hell that Zito is coming here and giving a 3+ year deal to a pitcher on the decline like Schmidt isn't the greatest idea...

Guys like Bradford/Fultz/Riske are some good options for the bullpen as well...

corkedbat
08-17-2006, 10:43 PM
How about a whole new infield? Dimitri Young, Tony Womack, Pokey Reese and Aaron Boone :D

wheels
08-18-2006, 01:33 AM
Bear in mind, they're gonna have a good chunk of cash to give someone, considering the salary increases that would have been paid to Kearns and Lopez.

It's not out of the realm of possiblity that Wayne could try to make a big splash.

Elam
08-18-2006, 01:53 AM
Just a note, Aurillia has a $2 million team option with a $100 K buyout.

SultanOfSwing
08-18-2006, 08:49 AM
I wouldn't mind:

Luis Castillo (If BP moves to SS)

Alex Gonzalez (If BP stays at 2nd)

Torii Hunter (would be amazing - GG, solid bat)
Mike Cameron/Milton Bradley/Gary Matthews Jr./Dave Roberts (spot starters, great bench, maybe earn starting job)

Matt Stairs (great backup and bench guy)
Jermaine Dye (but he's not going anywhere)

Joel Pinero (maybe??)
Tom Ohka
Gil Meche
Tony Armas Jr.
Brad Radke (definitely, and we just might get him)
Kelvim Escobar (depends on the price)
Jeff Suppan/Jason Marquis (maybe if cheap and we think they can turn it around)

Ted Lilly (maybe if cheap, but very homer happy)
Randy Wolf (Could be solid and cheap)
Mark Mulder (might be had very cheap after the last couple years, but a big risk)

Arthur Rhodes
Dennys Reyes
Darren Oliver
Ray King (but Rockies will probably pick up his option)

Joe Borowski
Chad Bradford
Chris Reitsma
Guillermo Mota
Dan Kolb

Keith Foulke (maybe, if depends on health and price, but risky)

And definitely resign:

Rich Aurillia
Juan Castro
Javier Valentine

This is by no means a comprehensive list, but rather players we may very likely get. Any combinations of the above (together with some trades) could really improve this team for 2007. I think Krivsky and Castellini really know what they are doing. Krivsky seems to scout very, very well, and knows what he wants. As for the big names (Barry Zito, Jason Schmidt, etc.) I don't think they are out of our price range (at least not for this ownership) but rather much too risky for the price. I believe a better pitching staff can be built from some very good to great 1-5 starters as opposed to one ace (maybe two) and fluff (ie, Mets, Cardinals compared to Dodgers and White Sox). I am really looking forward to this off-season regardless of what transpires hence in 2006. Finally, the future is looking very, very bright!

SultanOfSwing
08-18-2006, 08:52 AM
You've got it all wrong. Next years camp will have all of these players present.



Tony Batista Minnesota Twins 3B FA 8.072 Andy Mota 32
Luis Castillo Minnesota Twins 2B 25-man 8.055 Sam and Seth Levinson 30 T
Erubiel Durazo Minnesota Twins 1B FA 5.071 Diego Bentz 31
Torii Hunter Minnesota Twins CF 25-man 6.135 Patrick Murphy 31 T
Brad Radke Minnesota Twins RHSP 25-man 11 Ron Simon 33
Dennys Reyes Minnesota Twins LHRP 25-man 6.133 Oscar Suarez 29
Ruben Sierra Minnesota Twins DH FA 16.085 Chuck Berry 40
Shannon Stewart Minnesota Twins LF 15-Day 8.121 Greg Genske 32
Rondell White Minnesota Twins LF 15-Day 11.162 Sam and Seth Levinson 34 T

When you look at that list though, with a few exceptions (White, Sierra, Batista), that would comprise some very good signings.

SultanOfSwing
08-18-2006, 12:03 PM
Will Tomo Ohka be overvalued? (Not a rhetorical question...)

Actually, I don't think so. Because of the injuries this year and in the past. Although, he not typically injury-prone.

dougflynn23
08-19-2006, 11:22 AM
:) I have a sneaky feeling that Doug Davis will be a Red in 2007. As we know, we are now celebrating "The Power Of Tradition", and the Reds have a history of acquiring players they either can't hit (Clay Kirby, Bob Shirley, John Stuper) or can't get out (Cesar Cedeno, Mariano Duncan).

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 11:25 AM
:) I have a sneaky feeling that Doug Davis will be a Red in 2007. As we know, we are now celebrating "The Power Of Tradition", and the Reds have a history of acquiring players they either can't hit (Clay Kirby, Bob Shirley, John Stuper) or can't get out (Cesar Cedeno, Mariano Duncan).

I think Davis would be just about the best acquisition this ballclub could make for next season. Which means it won't happen.

I would LOVE to acquire Davis.

RedsFanatic
08-19-2006, 01:19 PM
Why?? Davis is awful, he walks hitters like its his job. Do we really want another soft tosser that can't locate?

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 01:36 PM
Why?? Davis is awful, he walks hitters like its his job. Do we really want another soft tosser that can't locate?


Davis isn't really a soft-tosser.

Team Clark
08-19-2006, 01:39 PM
Davis isn't really a soft-tosser.


That's true. He relies on his breaking ball a little too often but he's not a softy.

Farney
08-19-2006, 02:02 PM
What does "void option" mean beside Miltons name? I would bite on Kerry Wood for 4 million, and if we could pry Moyer away from Seattle for 1 year I think he would be a great teacher for the younger guys.

Unassisted
08-19-2006, 02:03 PM
Bear in mind, they're gonna have a good chunk of cash to give someone, considering the salary increases that would have been paid to Kearns and Lopez.

It's not out of the realm of possiblity that Wayne could try to make a big splash.And that should be considered an important part of the trade that sent those guys to DC. It may prove more useful than any player the Reds acquired in that trade.

mth123
08-19-2006, 02:44 PM
I'd go all out to sign Hunter to play CF, move Griffey to RF, Freel to 2B and Phillips to SS. Better OF defense will lead to improved pitching on a flyball staff with Milton, Harang and Arroyo. He adds more speed and a some power as well. There really isn't a pitcher worth the cash. I'd keep Lohse and Ramirez and wait for Bailey.

I'd also keep Aurilia to platoon with Hat, give a breather to the rest of the IF and OF (with Freel moving to OF when an OF'er needs a rest). Nine guys for 8 spots provides some depth and keeps guys fresh. Griffey and Freel both need more rest than they get right now.

ThatPitchIsDunn
08-19-2006, 02:44 PM
Just seeing some of these names make me warm and fuzzy on some of the more recent better days of the Reds. Let's bring back Cammy and DaMeat Hook; that solidifies our bench with some pop. Alex Gonzalez I would LOVE to see on this team. Sure he's not worth much at the plate, but my mouth waters at a DP combo of him and BP.

As to the starting pitching, absolutely let's take two starters from the Brew Crew with Davis and Ohka. It's just too bad Bill Hall isn't a free agent. Then again, he'd probably hit .213 with 2 homers in a full season if he came to the Reds. He'd do great in batting practice though.

dougflynn23
08-19-2006, 02:51 PM
I think Davis would be just about the best acquisition this ballclub could make for next season. Which means it won't happen.

I would LOVE to acquire Davis. :confused: I've always been a Doug Davis fan, but take out his stats vs. Cincinnati this year and he might be Brandon Claussen!

ChatterRed
08-19-2006, 02:56 PM
I wish the Reds could afford to spend another $20 million on starting pitching......there are a couple I'd like to have on that list.

BillDoran
08-19-2006, 05:20 PM
If I had Wayno powers this offseason my attack plan would like something like this:

-Sign Hunter, sit Griffey down and explain what is best for the team (remember he's the a "team guy" as we've been told all these years, and move him to RF

-Go after Castillo, with the move of BP to SS or as a backup plan a cheap Jerry Hairston Jr.

-As mentioned earlier one of the following Bradford/Riske

-One of the following Ohka/Davis, D.

(Short contracts for all [no more than three years])

-Celebrate the ensuing NL Central Pennant

Razor Shines
08-19-2006, 05:59 PM
If I had Wayno powers this offseason my attack plan would like something like this:

-Sign Hunter, sit Griffey down and explain what is best for the team (remember he's the a "team guy" as we've been told all these years, and move him to RF

-Go after Castillo, with the move of BP to SS or as a backup plan a cheap Jerry Hairston Jr.

-As mentioned earlier one of the following Bradford/Riske

-One of the following Ohka/Davis, D.

(Short contracts for all [no more than three years])

-Celebrate the ensuing NL Central Pennant
That's funny as I was reading this I was also listening to the great song by Traffic you know the one that starts "Dear Mr. Fantasy..."

reds77
08-19-2006, 06:04 PM
George Grande wants Jim Edmonds to join the Reds. I want pitching, pitching, and more pitching. I'd like to see a big name like Jason Schmidt join the Reds.

mth123
08-19-2006, 06:30 PM
George Grande wants Jim Edmonds to join the Reds. I want pitching, pitching, and more pitching. I'd like to see a big name like Jason Schmidt join the Reds.

Me too, but with everyone else also needing it, Schmidt would probably cost $60 Million for 4 years. That is if he would even play in Cincy.

buckeyenut
08-19-2006, 09:42 PM
Me too, but with everyone else also needing it, Schmidt would probably cost $60 Million for 4 years. That is if he would even play in Cincy.
Id pay that. I think he'd be worth every penny for this team.

mth123
08-19-2006, 09:59 PM
Id pay that. I think he'd be worth every penny for this team.

A guy like Schmidt is clearly what this team needs and I would pay that before paying $5 Million a year for some one like Gil Meche or Joel Piniero. He would have a positive domino effect on the pen and the other starters, I just don't see him holding up for 4 years. If they could get him for 2 or even 3 years, I am right with you. I just think he is clearly the top guy out there (and the only true number 1 in my opinion) and the Yankees and Red Sox need pitching. Why would he come here unless we way overpaid? $15 Million a year may only get us even with those guys. We'll need to give the extra year or bump the money to convince him to choose Cincinnati.

If they can't get Schmidt, I sign Hunter and try the trade route for a middle rotation Starter. (Probably need to trade prospect and exchange bad contracts - Larue maybe).

SultanOfSwing
08-22-2006, 10:26 AM
Bump. Saw a few were looking for it on other posts.

roborobor
08-22-2006, 11:24 AM
Ibanez over Cameron. Raul has good deffensive speed and a bat with pop. But pitching should be priority number #1.

SultanOfSwing
09-12-2006, 01:58 PM
Bump. Saw a few were looking for it on other posts.

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TeamSelig
09-12-2006, 02:04 PM
Who wants to bet that the relievers next year are going to get way too much money? As in crazy money. No thanks.

buckeyenut
09-16-2006, 09:05 AM
Who wants to bet that the relievers next year are going to get way too much money? As in crazy money. No thanks.
They got crazy money this past year and they got big value on trade market. I think you are absolutely correct here. And I think it plays bigtime into the Kearns/Lopez deal and why we paid more for the Bray/Maj duo. We have both guys for a number of years. Along with Coffey, that is a nice little core to build a pen around for next three seasons, despite how Maj did once he came over.

Dracodave
09-16-2006, 10:34 PM
I'd like to see the Reds trade for Mike Maroth personally. I know he was injured this year, but he's put up some decent numbers though.

Other guys the Reds should have a interest in dealing for...
A right handed power bat-> I'm not sure who's available, but I think it's something we need to invest in. Perhaps a Juan Riviera or someone?
A flame-thrower (both bullpen and starter)-> I'm not quite sure who'd we have to deal or to whom we should deal with but getting two pitchers who can throw harder than 94 and are good K pitchers, is something the Reds should really look for.
A closer->This is something we're going to desperately need if we acquire ground ball pitching and assemble good defensive players.
A secondbaseman/shortstop->Is Luis Rivas available? Follows Kriv's "ex-twins" and gives us good 2b defense.

The list goes on, but there are alot of wholes on this team that the offseason, spring training and before the trade deadline could fix.

Will M
09-17-2006, 09:43 PM
we need a CF.
Griffey has to move to RF or LF ( if we trade Dunn ).
The CF could be Freel but not for 162 games.
Signing someone like Tori Hunter, Mike Cameron, Kenny Lofton, Dave Roberts or making a trade for a full time or part time ( with Freel ) CF is a must.

What else we do depends on if we keep Dunn or trade Dunn ( and who we trade him for ).

- Will

kheidg-
10-08-2006, 02:57 AM
I would sign Kenny Lofton to a 1-2 yr contract and possibly sign Gagne to an incentive laden deal.

mth123
10-08-2006, 03:10 AM
I would sign Kenny Lofton to a 1-2 yr contract and possibly sign Gagne to an incentive laden deal.

Yay on Gagne but only if its incentive laiden. Nay on Lofton. I'd just keep Deno.

HumnHilghtFreel
10-08-2006, 03:18 AM
I would sign Kenny Lofton to a 1-2 yr contract and possibly sign Gagne to an incentive laden deal.

I'd love to see Kenny as a Red, given, I'm biased because he's been my favorite player since he was in Cleveland.

Redsfan08
10-08-2006, 10:41 AM
I would like to get that pitcher from japan but I don't think it will happen

Topcat
10-09-2006, 06:17 AM
MY targets would be> I am considering the Parameters of realistic cost effective signings.
(SP) Randy Wolf
(cf) Aaron Rowand
(SP) Adam Eaton
(Rp) Ron Villone
(RP) G. Mota
(OF) Trot Nixon ( I truly want this guy
(1B) Phil Nevin been passed around like a 80's party spliffy but he has talent and may come cheap
(SS) Alex Gonzalez good player and may come at a reasonable price tag
(1B) Nick Johnson a wet dream catch for the Reds and a true prize if signed (* a Non Yawner acquisition.)
(utility) Frank Cattalano ( these are the bucky dents of the world that just come up with key plays that define a season kind of guys)
(SP) Gil Meche ( possible bust out Pitcher if not , atleast a serviceable one at say 5 mill or 4 mill)
(CF) Jim Edmonds very good player and wtf do it for Grande so he can atleast finally have a love life ;) )
(sp) Vincette Padilla electric arm nickle head but this guy ever gets it right whoa I am taking that Gamble.


Of course not all these players can be signed but these are my Topcat Gets. W#orld Series contenders ? I think nope . But stranger things have happened just ask the Mets who lost there number 1 qaqnd number 3 starters. Ask the Yankee's Heck ask Joaquin Andjuar jou neva no ;)

Tom Servo
10-09-2006, 09:18 AM
I'd do anything to get Zito, Soriano, El Caballo, etc, but here (like Topcat) is my list of players I'm intrigued by and are within our range.

Position players:
Wes Helms
Luis Gonzalez
David Dellucci
Moises Alou
Jose Guillen
Adam Kennedy

Starters:
Vicente Padilla
Gil Meche
Tomo Ohka
Adam Eaton

Relivers:
Justin Speier
Dennys Reyes
Mike Stanton
Ron Villone
Chad Bradford
Mike Timlin
Chris Reitsma

graveyard
10-09-2006, 09:49 AM
What is the void option on Milton's contract?

dunner13
10-09-2006, 09:54 AM
I didnt know rowand was a free agent. He might be a really nice pickup. Hes not a great offensive player but his defense would help alot and his energy might help some of our players to play harder. We need to sign padilla of meche, either one would help alot.

mth123
10-09-2006, 07:41 PM
What is the void option on Milton's contract?

It means that Milton has the option to void the final year of his contract and become a free agent. If that were to happen there would be an Earthquake caused by everyone on Redszone jumping for joy at the same time. It would be the worst business move since Manhatten was sold for $24 (or maybe just since DanO signed Milton in the first place).

Will M
10-15-2006, 09:32 PM
1. does anyone know if the Padres have said if they are going to keep Cameron ( team option )? I think he would look good at GABP in CF ( for the right price ). He still plays good defense and has power & speed.

2. targets for the Reds as part of a 1b platoon if Aurillia gets too expensive:
Phil Nevin, Craig Wilson, Eduardo Perez

3. targets for 2b/ss if Freel stays in the OF:
Luis Castillo (Team Option), Mark Lorretta, Ray Durham,
Ronnie Belliard, Craig Counsell, Julio Lugo $$, Jose Valentin

All in all an unexciting list.

4. targets for CF if Freel goes to 2b. ( Note: I like Deno but I don't see Deno & Griffey playing 162 games each. I'd rather have Griffey in RF, a new CF & use Deno as the 4th OF. )

Jim Edmonds (Team Option), Mike Cameron (Team Option),
Juan Pierre :thumbdown , Kenny Lofton ( as part of a platoon ),
Gary Matthews Jr., Jay Payton, Milton Bradley,
Aaron Rowand (Player + Team Options) (arb.),
Dave Roberts, J.D. Drew (Player Void Option)

All in all a much more interesting list. Freel to 2b & signing a free agent CF seems better than Freel in CF and signing a free agent 2b/SS.

5. Targets for a #3 starter:

Tomo Ohka :) , Joe Mays :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown ,
Tony Armas Jr, Jason Schmidt $$$, Jeff Suppan,
Mike Mussina (Team Option), Jaret Wright (Team + Player Void options),
Vicente Padilla, Adam Eaton,
Ted Lilly ( fly ball pitcher ), Tom Glavine ( is he really a free agent ? ),
Andy Pettitte, Mark Mulder, Barry Zito $$$,
Doug Davis, Randy Wolf, Mark Buerhle (Team Option)
Daisuke Matsuzaka $$$
Kerry Wood

Some interesting names but I suspect free agent pitchers will be overpaid again.

6. targets for a closer:

Justin Speier , Scott Schoenweis , Joe Borowski ,
LaTroy Hawkins, David Weathers, Chris Reitsma
Mariano Rivera (Team Option I am sure will be picked up )
Keith Foulke (Mutual + Player Option)
Dustin Hermanson (Team option)
Eric Gagne (Team Option + Player Void Option)

Another uninspired list.

- Will

Natty Redlocks
10-15-2006, 10:13 PM
I think they should sign Craig Wilson immediately. In addition to being a good platoon partner for Hatteberg, he'd be able to play every day in the OF when Junior goes on the DL, or be an adequate contingency plan should they get a good offer for Dunn late in the offseason.

mth123
10-15-2006, 10:19 PM
I think they should sign Craig Wilson immediately. In addition to being a good platoon partner for Hatteberg, he'd be able to play every day in the OF when Junior goes on the DL, or be an adequate contingency plan should they get a good offer for Dunn late in the offseason.

I wouldn't mind Wilson. He has needed power and is (or at least was) a good hitter all around. He is defensively challenged though even at 1B and if Krivsky is pushing for better defense, then I doubt Wilson is on his radar.

flyer85
10-15-2006, 10:24 PM
The options that the Reds are likely to be bidding for are extremely unappealing

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
10-15-2006, 11:38 PM
I know its a stretch here but is there is a chance that the new ownership could care less about Griffey wanting to stay in center field. I mean they are taking over a team that has obviously not done well as of late. Griffey may not be a top notch centerfielder anymore, but i think he would be a top notch left fielder or even rightfielder. If I were them I would just move him, they made him no promises and they are not asking him to play first base or anything( yet ). Also I know its imposible but im just thinking down the road a few years, if we were to keep done and signed someone in the Ryan howard, Pujols, former Bonds/Griffey mold to hit behind him , then this would force pitchers to throw more fast balls to Dunn and also more strikes which I think would raise his ba 40 points and cut way down on the strike outs.

mound_patrol
10-16-2006, 10:46 AM
If I were Krivsky this offseason I would go after a solid outfielder and a good group of relievers. Who knows where we'd be right now if we had a solid bullpen throughout the year.
Starters are too expensive and the list of offensive players isn't exactly great. The bullpen seems like the only place you can make the team better at a reasonable price.

Will M
10-17-2006, 10:27 PM
Under contract: Bray Majik Coffey Cormier Belisle

that is 5 decent ( if not great ) relievers.

if we resign Weathers and possibly Schowenweis ( hopefully on the cheap ) then we would have a deep bullpen by committee. you hope that someone steps up as a decent closer and turn your attention to finding a #3 starter and another bat