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Kc61
08-20-2006, 07:13 PM
Krivsky has done a good job of restocking the bullpen. The pen was obviously terrible early and has had its share of breakdowns (Belisle, Mercker, and now Maj and Guardado). We may not like all his decisions, but he understood the need to restock and has done it pretty well.

Now, in the stretch drive, the team still has needs:

A fifth starter;

A righty hitter off the bench (sorry, Norris), assuming there is room on the roster

Possibly another right handed reliever (is Belisle a real option with all the back problems?)

My guess is Wayne is still not through. Most likely we'll see a new fifth starter. Wonder who.

PuffyPig
08-20-2006, 07:15 PM
I don't he trades for a RH releiver, with Belisle, Majewski and Standridge all expected back.

I expect Denorfia to be the RH hitter of the bench.

A 5th starter???? Now there's a need.

Once September rolls around, I wouldn't be adverse to having a 17 man staff, and use relievers for the 5th spot.

RedLegSuperStar
08-20-2006, 07:27 PM
Krivsky has done a good job of restocking the bullpen. The pen was obviously terrible early and has had its share of breakdowns (Belisle, Mercker, and now Maj and Guardado). We may not like all his decisions, but he understood the need to restock and has done it pretty well.

Now, in the stretch drive, the team still has needs:

A fifth starter;

A righty hitter off the bench (sorry, Norris), assuming there is room on the roster

Possibly another right handed reliever (is Belisle a real option with all the back problems?)

My guess is Wayne is still not through. Most likely we'll see a new fifth starter. Wonder who.

Starter:

I think our option is in Ryan Franklin like it or not. He was converted to relief in spring training but like Lohse has a passion to prove he is worthy to start. Also once the rosters expand I'm sure we will see Dumatrait get a start or two.

Bench:

A name I continue to throw out there is switch hitting Jose Cruz Jr. I feel like i've said that 3-4 time today alone. But we also have Chris Denorfia, Norris Hopper could be used in the roll Hollandsworth is being used in. Also I think Brandon Watson may get a look come September.

Reliever:

Belisle has looked great in his rehab assignment so I think he is able to go another month and a half. And again when the roster expands look to see Gosling, Majewski, Shackelford, and maybe even Elizardo brought up to bolster this staff and also rest some of these tired arms before a playoff push.

2001MUgrad
08-20-2006, 09:08 PM
I'd say if he has a chance to improve the team somewhere he will. I don't think he ever stops looking for moves to make things better. Let's just hope that he gets healthy players in return.

RedLegSuperStar
08-20-2006, 09:32 PM
I'd say if he has a chance to improve the team somewhere he will. I don't think he ever stops looking for moves to make things better. Let's just hope that he gets healthy players in return.

2nd That

Henry Clay
08-20-2006, 09:44 PM
I wonder how much of Krivsky's active tinkering is driven by Krivsky and how much is driven by Castellini. Krivsky clearly has the authority to make the moves he has made and the ability to spot talent, but I wonder if there is also the factor of an owner calling and asking questions day-to-day about what is being done about the bullpen, rotation, offense, etc. . . . I would be interested in hearing an insider's view of what is driving Krivsky's active roster reshuffling. It could all be Krivsky driven, but the recent decisions to change radio announcers and uniform colors make me think that Castellini is more involved that I previously thought. After all, this guy moved his office to Sarasota during spring training, flew to Venezuela to see the Reds' baseball academy, and wants to replicate the Cardinals' success, which makes me think he would just love to pass them in the standings during his first year of ownership. All of this is based on inferences and speculation, but I would love to hear an insider's view on whether Castellini's interest in winning is keeping Krivsky on the phones. If that is the case, I would expect to see another move or two before August 31.

George Foster
08-20-2006, 09:47 PM
I honestly believe that K will bring up Bailey in the September expansion. Even though he has said he would not do it, he will use the excuse of all the injuries to the pitching staff.

Krusty
08-20-2006, 09:55 PM
I honestly believe that K will bring up Bailey in the September expansion. Even though he has said he would not do it, he will use the excuse of all the injuries to the pitching staff.


If Bailey comes up in September, he will be on the bench to sit and observed.

As for making deals, I think Krivsky is trying to win today while protecting those key prospects for tomorrow. And if you don't like the way Krivsky operates, maybe you want to rehire Dan O'Brien.

jnwohio
08-20-2006, 11:50 PM
If Bailey comes up in September, he will be on the bench to sit and observed.


After all of Narron's only half tongue in cheek comments about the Bailey situation......

If they bring Homer up in Sept. even if it is with the understanding he is just to "watch and learn", if the Reds are in the race and one day there is a developing situation mid to late game which ends up with the Reds absolutely needing a K, do you think in the heat of battle Narron will be able to restrain himself from using Bailey? (I am assuming that watching and learning includes warming up from time to time as a decoy).

Also, have you noticed that Narron's "jesting" comments about the Homer situation seem to have stopped? And with Michalak just "pencilled in" for Wednsday with no apparent other candidates, doesn't Wednesday just happen to be Bailey's next turn?

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 10:08 AM
If they bring Homer up in Sept. even if it is with the understanding he is just to "watch and learn", if the Reds are in the race and one day there is a developing situation mid to late game which ends up with the Reds absolutely needing a K, do you think in the heat of battle Narron will be able to restrain himself from using Bailey? (I am assuming that watching and learning includes warming up from time to time as a decoy).



The problem with putting Bailey on the roster is you have to put him on the 40man roster early, starting his arbitration clock. They won't bring him up in September unless they actually plan to use him. If they just want him "sitting on the bench to observe", he won't be placed on the 40 man, so he can't be suddenly used. it will have to be planned.

IslandRed
08-21-2006, 10:38 AM
The problem with putting Bailey on the roster is you have to put him on the 40man roster early, starting his arbitration clock.

At this point in the season, that's probably not a concern. What's a concern is that he's very close to the innings threshold that the front office wanted for him this year.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 10:39 AM
I'm willing to bet Michalak makes his next start.

redsmetz
08-21-2006, 10:53 AM
I'm willing to bet Michalak makes his next start.

Not to be glib, but it's not out of the realm of possibility he comes back and dedicates it to his late 102 year old grandma and pitches a gem. I'll take that and thank grandma for it!

flyer85
08-21-2006, 10:58 AM
Reds still need a bat and to get rid of the 3rd catcher.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 11:00 AM
Not to be glib, but it's not out of the realm of possibility he comes back and dedicates it to his late 102 year old grandma and pitches a gem. I'll take that and thank grandma for it!worst possible scenario as it would likely set him up for being able to get 2-3 more beatings. :D

redsmetz
08-21-2006, 12:25 PM
worst possible scenario as it would likely set him up for being able to get 2-3 more beatings. :D

Ah, yes, another voice from the "I pray every night a Reds player does lousy so I can say I'm right" crowd. Honestly, I just don't get it (even with the Smiley Face).

flyer85
08-21-2006, 12:31 PM
Ah, yes, another voice from the "I pray every night a Reds player does lousy so I can say I'm right" crowd. Honestly, I just don't get it (even with the Smiley Face).completely wrong. Michalak is Dave Williams light. If he does well in an outing it is nothing but a fluke that will likely to set him up to get several more beatings. The Reds were fortunate to get what they got in Philly. A smart move would have been to realize what it was and send him back out. A 35 he is what he is and that is a AAAA pitcher on his best day. The Reds would be better off with Michalak making one more start and removing all doubt rather than have him attempt to make 3/4 more starts.

The problem is the Reds don't really have a good answer to the question of who should be the 5th starter(Franklin isn't it either).

BRM
08-21-2006, 12:35 PM
Ah, yes, another voice from the "I pray every night a Reds player does lousy so I can say I'm right" crowd. Honestly, I just don't get it (even with the Smiley Face).

I didn't read it that way at all. What I got out of it is one good start would likely lead to 2-3 bad ones afterwards. If he goes out and pitches well, Jerry may be willing to give him the ball 2-3 more times and he'd likely get shelled in all of them. Nowhere in his post did I read it as Ricardo wishing for a player to fail so he could he was right.

redsmetz
08-21-2006, 12:38 PM
I'll respectfully disagree. While we're running Michalek out there, I'm hoping for the best. As long as the Reds are running him out there, whether as a starter or as a reliever, I'm pushing for him to do the best.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 12:41 PM
While we're running Michalek out there, I'm hoping for the best. blind hope is all it is. The odds are heavily stacked against Michalak helping the Reds win anything.

Since that is the case the ANSWER is to find someone to pitch in the spot that will make the odds more in favor of the Reds, not to bet against the odds that your continue to roll snake eyes time after time.

Roy Tucker
08-21-2006, 12:49 PM
We were at the game on Friday and it sure seemed painfully obvious that Michalak just doesn't have major league stuff. Pittsburgh stacked a bunch of RH hitters against him and I thought somebody was going to get killed from the rockets getting hit all over the field. We watched the radar gun and he never got over 84.

Maybe if he very carefully with razor-sharp control locates his pitches perfectly, he can get MLB hitters out. But that margin of safety looks mighty darn slim to me.

I'm a huge Reds fan and I always want them to win, but if it were me, I'd thank Michalak for saving their bacon in that one Phillie game and send him back down to AAA with good wishes.

My wife doesn't know beans about baseball and even she said "does he throw really slow?".

flyer85
08-21-2006, 12:53 PM
I'm a huge Reds fan and I always want them to win, but if it were me, I'd thank Michalak for saving their bacon in that one Phillie game and send him back down to AAA with good wishes.Who is the Reds best bet to roll the dice with? (actually he seems to be off limits)

If it were me I think the best answer is still Ramirez and while he had struggled before Narron really decided to screw him over, he is the pitcher I would go with.

redsmetz
08-21-2006, 02:20 PM
We were at the game on Friday and it sure seemed painfully obvious that Michalak just doesn't have major league stuff. Pittsburgh stacked a bunch of RH hitters against him and I thought somebody was going to get killed from the rockets getting hit all over the field. We watched the radar gun and he never got over 84.

Maybe if he very carefully with razor-sharp control locates his pitches perfectly, he can get MLB hitters out. But that margin of safety looks mighty darn slim to me.

I'm a huge Reds fan and I always want them to win, but if it were me, I'd thank Michalak for saving their bacon in that one Phillie game and send him back down to AAA with good wishes.

My wife doesn't know beans about baseball and even she said "does he throw really slow?".

I was also at the game. There is no question he was throwing slow. I only saw one pitch thrown hard and that was the 3 run homer (it clocked at 92 MPH). With the quality of umpiring today, particularly with the guy who was behind the plate that night, it is difficult for a finesse pitcher to succeed. In fact, I thought Michalek had the strike out on the either the pitcher just before or two before the homer. He put it right in there, the batter started to swing and held up. Frankly I was shocked he was rung up on the swing. Again, though, the days of a finesse pitcher might be gone with the woeful strike zones we see from umpires.

He began the game marvelously throwing 9 of his 1st 12 pitches (or thereabouts) for strikes. If he was getting the close calls, he was toast and that's what happened.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 02:23 PM
I only saw one pitch thrown hard and that was the 3 run homer (it clocked at 92 MPH). that was the speed the ball came off the bat.

redsmetz
08-21-2006, 02:46 PM
that was the speed the ball came off the bat.

It's very possible that is what that was and I acknowledge that in the original game thread. If he can get calls on the strike zone, I think he can be successful, but that's a big "if" given the state of ML umpiring.
Again, though, if he's pitching for us, I'm rooting for him to do well instead of expecting him to fail.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 02:52 PM
It's very possible that is what that was and I acknowledge that in the original game thread. If he can get calls on the strike zone, I think he can be successful, but that's a big "if" given the state of ML umpiring.
Again, though, if he's pitching for us, I'm rooting for him to do well instead of expecting him to fail.he wasn't getting "squeezed" he is simply a pitcher who has to live on the corners and didn't. If his command isn't razor sharp Michalak gets behind hitters and get pounded, even by teams like the Pirates who are not a good offensive team.

Roy Tucker
08-21-2006, 03:00 PM
Again, though, if he's pitching for us, I'm rooting for him to do well instead of expecting him to fail.

Don't get me wrong, if he goes back out there to pitch, I'll be rooting hard for him to succeed and will be sorely disappointed if he fails.

I still have the emotional Reds fan sitting on one shoulder and the cooly calculating baseball analyst on the other. The Reds fan roots hard for him to succeed, but the analyst says "don't get your hopes up too high there big guy".

flyer85
08-21-2006, 03:08 PM
but the analyst says "don't get your hopes up too high there big guy".when Michalak pitches well it is winning the all-in on nothing but a draw.

redsmetz
08-21-2006, 03:50 PM
he wasn't getting "squeezed" he is simply a pitcher who has to live on the corners and didn't. If his command isn't razor sharp Michalak gets behind hitters and get pounded, even by teams like the Pirates who are not a good offensive team.

And I'm saying that a finesse pitcher is going to end up behind on hitters when you have an erratic strike zone. Of course, some of that missing is just that, missing. But he absolutely had whoever it was hit the home run struck out one or two pitches before that.

I am not saying that Michalek is a saviour. In the final six weeks of these season, we are going to see a hodge podge run out on the mound and he's part of that mix. Will he be with the club next year. Most likely not and he's not alone in that. There will be a lot of movement this offseason, IMO. If he never starts another game for the Reds, I'm not going to lose much sleep. If he's the mop up guy, great. But I've said it ten times now, if he's on the mound, I don't want him failing, even if we're lucky he gets out of a pitching situation alive. That's our reality this season.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 03:59 PM
The strange part is that most likely the best answer is Homer Bailey. However, they won't bring him up and use him because he is "the future".

Honestly if you look at the state of the talent in the organization and on this team there really isn't much of a reason to believe that winning days are ahead. 2006 is mostly likely a fluke and this team will struggle to win over the next few years even with "the future" pitching out there in 2007 and beyond.

Ravenlord
08-21-2006, 04:21 PM
Michalak has a career minor league walk rate of 3.39 and a career major league walk rate of 3.97. he also has a 1.11 and 1.71 career K/BB rates respectively. he has a 1.40 career HR/9 in the minors.

he's a finsesse pitcher who has eratic control and catches far too much of the plate on his strikes...he's also more than likely on the downswing of his career at 35.

while cheering for Michalak is all well and fine (and as Reds fans, we should be cheering for him), having him run out to the mound every five days is just poor management.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 04:23 PM
having him run out to the mound every five days is just poor management.just admit you hate the Reds and move to the dark side. :starwars:

boobhat
08-21-2006, 04:31 PM
what pitchers are available that the reds can buy and will be free agents at the end of the year?

flyer85
08-21-2006, 04:39 PM
what pitchers are available that the reds can buy and will be free agents at the end of the year?none likely to help for what they are willing to pay.

I would expect the 2007 starting rotation to look a lot like 2006.

REDREAD
08-21-2006, 10:05 PM
what pitchers are available that the reds can buy and will be free agents at the end of the year?

Schmidt and Zito are the big names.. but I don't think the Reds will sign them.

After that, I don't think there's a whole lot to get excited about. Someone recently had a thread with the entire list that you could search through.

BRM
08-22-2006, 09:58 AM
What about Shearn and Kelly? Are they as bad an option as Michalak?