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NPCoach
08-25-2006, 11:54 AM
1-What are the chances Arroyo will be back. I haven't heard anything about contract so I assume a) they aren't interested in him coming back b) new ownership doesn't talk contract until after the season. I am guessing someone will overpay for him, thus, taking us out of the picture.

2-Will the Reds be a player at all in the future for free agent difference-makers?

bounty37h
08-25-2006, 11:56 AM
I am pretty sure he is already under contract for next season....

Red Leader
08-25-2006, 11:56 AM
1-What are the chances Arroyo will be back. I haven't heard anything about contract so I assume a) they aren't interested in him coming back b) new ownership doesn't talk contract until after the season. I am guessing someone will overpay for him, thus, taking us out of the picture.

2-Will the Reds be a player at all in the future for free agent difference-makers?


1) Arroyo has 2 more years (under the Reds control) on his current contract. So, that is why you haven't heard anything on him. He's not going anywhere. He can't be a free agent until after the 2008 season

2) I would think with the salaries they have shed this season and the pending free agents they currently have and won't resign that the Reds will have some money to play with this offseason. Can't tell you if it will all be spent in one place or not. We'll just have to wait and see what Wayne deems the priorities to be.

SultanOfSwing
08-25-2006, 12:05 PM
1) Yes, under contract (very cheaply) through 2008.

2) We will be very big players in the FA market. Probably the most active off-season team. I don't think that outside of Torri Hunter any big names may come here. The top names just aren't worth the money. Krivsky realizes we are better off with several very good players (Okha, Armas, Radke, A. Gonzalez, etc.) than one or two excellent players and fillers. I also believe we will see some important off-season trades.

EKURed
08-25-2006, 12:56 PM
I never thought about Hunter. That would be a great pickup. I think he would like playing in GABP. Griffey slides to right, Freel to 2nd, Phillips to short. That would be good. But, I'm more than focused on this year's team. I'm loving what's going on.

Newman4
08-25-2006, 01:09 PM
Bronson Arroyo p
3 years/$11.25M (2006-08)

acquired in trade 3/06, with Boston also paying $1.5M to Cincinnati

avoided arbitration 1/06 ($4.2M-$2.95M)
$0.75M signing bonus
06:$2.75M, 07:$3.8M, 08:$3.95M

1 year/$1.85M (2005), re-signed 1/05, avoided arbitration
1 year/$0.3325M (2004)
agent: Gregg Clifton, Terry Bross, Gaylord Sports Management

ML service: 3.150

Z-Fly
08-25-2006, 01:17 PM
I never thought about Hunter. That would be a great pickup. I think he would like playing in GABP. Griffey slides to right, Freel to 2nd, Phillips to short. That would be good. But, I'm more than focused on this year's team. I'm loving what's going on.

I honestly think that Freel is to good of an outfielder to be moved to second. I do understand that is his natural position, but his speed makes him a great outfielder. The team would be better off finding a 2B/SS in the offseason IMO.

On the other hand I do have a hunch that Adam Dunn will be traded in the offseason. So maybe Hunter wouldn't be a bad pick up after all.

buckeyenut
08-25-2006, 07:38 PM
I honestly think that Freel is to good of an outfielder to be moved to second. I do understand that is his natural position, but his speed makes him a great outfielder. The team would be better off finding a 2B/SS in the offseason IMO.

On the other hand I do have a hunch that Adam Dunn will be traded in the offseason. So maybe Hunter wouldn't be a bad pick up after all.

I agree on freel and really doubt they trade dunn. Basically though, I think Freel gives them a lot of options. Pick up a 2B, move phillips to SS. Pick up a SS, leave Freel and Phillips alone. Pick up an OF, move Freel to 2B, Phillips to SS

redsmetz
08-25-2006, 07:51 PM
On the other hand I do have a hunch that Adam Dunn will be traded in the offseason. So maybe Hunter wouldn't be a bad pick up after all.

Trading Dunn would be bonehead and I don't think the Reds do boneheaded anymore.

Caveat Emperor
08-25-2006, 08:59 PM
Trading Dunn would be bonehead and I don't think the Reds do boneheaded anymore.

I could very easily see Dunn being moved for pitching this offseason with Griffey going to left, Freel/Denorfia going to center, and the team going out to sign a RF bat in FA.

It'd be a very Twinsy move -- improve the OF defense, improve the pitching, sacrafice a slice of offense.

Not saying it's a good idea -- just saying it's not quite as out of the realm of possibility as most people would like to believe.

wheels
08-25-2006, 09:12 PM
I could very easily see Dunn being moved for pitching this offseason with Griffey going to left, Freel/Denorfia going to center, and the team going out to sign a RF bat in FA.

It'd be a very Twinsy move -- improve the OF defense, improve the pitching, sacrafice a slice of offense.

Not saying it's a good idea -- just saying it's not quite as out of the realm of possibility as most people would like to believe.

The thing that makes me think it probably won't happen is that Krivsky's first move as GM was to sign Dunn to a three year deal.

That tells me a lot.

Caveat Emperor
08-25-2006, 09:34 PM
The thing that makes me think it probably won't happen is that Krivsky's first move as GM was to sign Dunn to a three year deal.

That tells me a lot.

Cost-certainty makes a player like him much easier to trade in an off-season, where most small/mid-market teams set a payroll number to hit and base their aquisitions off that. I'd imagine that makes him more attractive to more teams as opposed to the limited teams that will take the risk of acquiring him and potentially going to arbitration with a 40+ HR / 100 RBI guy.

Plus, it's not like the dollar figure he is due differs greatly from what he'd get on a 1 year as a non-FA eligible player anyway.

wheels
08-25-2006, 09:59 PM
Cost-certainty makes a player like him much easier to trade in an off-season, where most small/mid-market teams set a payroll number to hit and base their aquisitions off that. I'd imagine that makes him more attractive to more teams as opposed to the limited teams that will take the risk of acquiring him and potentially going to arbitration with a 40+ HR / 100 RBI guy.

Plus, it's not like the dollar figure he is due differs greatly from what he'd get on a 1 year as a non-FA eligible player anyway.

I knew you would say that, and you're right.

I just wonder if Wayne doesn't have a significantly high opinion of Dunn, considering it was number one on his very long list of things to do.

He recognized an important cog, and made him his first order of business.

Another thing that jumps out at me is that he could have come away with a huge haul if he would have traded Dunn at the deadline, but he didn't.

I think the silence on the Dunn trade front is deafening.

Doesn't mean that won't change during the off season, though, but I wouldn't put any money on it acutally happening.

TeamBoone
08-25-2006, 10:46 PM
I honestly think that Freel is to good of an outfielder to be moved to second. I do understand that is his natural position, but his speed makes him a great outfielder. The team would be better off finding a 2B/SS in the offseason IMO.

On the other hand I do have a hunch that Adam Dunn will be traded in the offseason. So maybe Hunter wouldn't be a bad pick up after all.

IIRC, Freel once mentioned that OF is his natural position.

I don't think Adam will be traded. At least, not unless it's a slobberknocker and I'm not sure the Reds need slobberknocker (as someone else said).

Always Red
08-26-2006, 12:41 AM
I never thought about Hunter.
He's a Twin. I may be wrong, but I just kind of assumed that he would be here next year!

mth123
08-26-2006, 09:02 AM
I agree on freel and really doubt they trade dunn. Basically though, I think Freel gives them a lot of options. Pick up a 2B, move phillips to SS. Pick up a SS, leave Freel and Phillips alone. Pick up an OF, move Freel to 2B, Phillips to SS

I was an advocate of this in another thread. I think that Hunter coupled with keeping Aurelia gives you depth and the ability to rest guys when needed.

Hunter CF, Dunn LF, Phillips SS and Encarnacion 3B would all be set every day with about one day off per month. (When IFers rest Freel at 2B and fill in with Aurelia. when OFers rest Aurelia at 2B and fill in with Freel.)

Hatte plays 1B against RH and Aurelia 1B againsts LH.

Freel plays 2B but gets about 1 day per week off to stay fresh and healthy (with Rich at 2B).

Griffey plays RF and gets 1 day per week off with Freel in RF and Rich at 2B. Griffey would likely only accept a move out of CF if the reds acquired a perrenial Gold Glove like Hunter to replace him there. I just don't see him moving to make room for Freel or Deno (or he would have already done so).

This line-up "rotation" would provide better up the middle defense with Phillips at SS and Hunter in CF. (Hunter in CF would really help the flyball trio of Harang, Arroyo and Milton.)

Freel, Griffey and Rich would still be basically everyday players but each get about a day per week off to rest. Hatte won't have to play against LHP. And Finally, If some one gets hurt there are still 8 "regular" players to keep the machine running.

Though I think Freel is great in the OF, I don't think we can get a middle infielder that will help the team both offensively and defensively as much as we can by signing Hunter and moving these guys around.

Always Red
08-26-2006, 10:38 AM
Trading Dunn would be bonehead and I don't think the Reds do boneheaded anymore.
especially when you're playing 81 games a year at GABP.

Certainly this team needs more and better pitching and defense, but I think Kriv is also smart enough to know that playing at GABP means that you will always need thumpers at the bat. So, this team cannot be totally remade in the Twins image, for that reason alone (and I have nothing against the Twins at all, I think they've done a great job over the years showing what a small market team can do against the profligate spenders).

Adam Dunn was made for parks like this.

What Kriv needs to do is go out and find the right handed version of Adam. Easy to say, I know. Tough to find guys who get on base 40% of the time and hit 40 HR a year.

Maybe we already have that guy; he's been looking very good at 3B recently ;)