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Ltlabner
08-28-2006, 11:48 AM
Baseball is usually a place of great enjoyment, however, from time to time we are let down and disspointed by our favorite pastime. From all of baseball history, what moment in time or event did you find most dissapointing?

Some possible examples:
Could be a heart-breaker loss?
A team colapsing and falling out of the race?
The player strikes?
Pete Rose scandal?
A player/ump passing away?

Those are just examples, there are certinally many more dissapointing moments in baseball to chose from.

Ltlabner
08-28-2006, 12:01 PM
I'm in a toss up between:

Pete Rose: A hero from my youth. I was so excited when he came back but was so let down when his personal failings were announced. I'm not so nieve to think ballplayers are all virtious but Rose was an idol from my childhood so he had a little "extra" shine than other boyhood heros. That shine wore off real quick once everything came to light.

Bill Buckner: When that ball rolled between his legs in game 6 I knew the Red Sox were done for. I was born in Plymouth, Mass so I was always a Red Sox fan growing up, even though I had no other connection other than they were from the same area. Anyway, I was really excited when they made the world series. They had to wait another 15+ years for their "time" and by then I didn't really care about the Red Sox anymore.

macro
08-28-2006, 12:02 PM
The 1981 Cincinnati Reds, the team with the best overall record in MLB, not qualifying for the postseason.

The trade of Tony Perez to the Montreal Expos following the 1976 season.

Pete Rose signing as a free agent with the Phillies following the 1978 season.

The firing of Sparky Anderson following the 1978 season.

The 61-101 season of 1982, and all the trades that didn't work out.

The cancellation of the 1994 season with the Reds headed to the World Series.

The death of the Reds-Dodgers rivalry when the realignment was done in 1994.

The introduction of black road uniforms for the Reds in 1999.

bucksfan
08-28-2006, 12:08 PM
The trade of Tony Perez to the Montreal Expos following the 1976 season.




There's mine...

Always Red
08-28-2006, 12:20 PM
I was 11 years old, sitting between my dad and my grandfather, 7 rows from the top of the red seats, during the 7th game of the 1972 World Series. Joe Rudi made a fantastic, unbelievable catch, up against the LF wall, late in the game, and the Reds lost the game 3-2 and the Series, 4 games to 3. I was totally devastated, and have despised Gene Tenace to this day;)

westofyou
08-28-2006, 12:26 PM
Oakland A's beating the Tigers in the 1972 Playoffs.

Watching Johnny Bench play 3rd Base.

dabvu2498
08-28-2006, 12:27 PM
The cancellation of the 1994 season with the Reds headed to the World Series.
I had tickets for Reds-Rockies series in Denver on the day the strike began. Very sad, but I had a great trip anyway.

cincrazy
08-28-2006, 12:33 PM
The Reds-Brewers series at the end of 1999. Take 2 of 3, we win the division. Instead we lose 2 of 3, end up battling the Mets for the Wild Card, and losing. Ouch.

Blimpie
08-28-2006, 12:47 PM
This would probably better belong in a thread about disappointments that occurred "at a baseball game," but watching John McSherry die behind home plate six pitches into Opening Day in 1996 was a positively awful moment in my life. I guess that qualifies as 'disappointing' as well.

Sorry about downing the topic, but it is the first thing that came to my mind.

Johnny Footstool
08-28-2006, 12:53 PM
Reggie Sanders' performance vs. the Braves in the 1995 playoffs.

Rex Argos
08-28-2006, 01:43 PM
1999. Al "Freaking" Leiter.

Hap
08-28-2006, 01:43 PM
My own personal (senior year of high school) disappointment was losing a high school sectional final 3-2 in nine innings (seven innings regulation) to a team we had beaten 12-3 during the regular season.

We had our best pitcher versus their best pitcher and we had both managed to squeak across two runs. They had the final at bat and they managed to get a runner to second base with two outs. They got a base hit to left field and our left fielder, who had the strongest arm on the team, fired the ball towards home plate well ahead of the runner. The only problem was the throw was fifteen or twenty feet over the catcher's head and the run scored easily.

My high school baseball career ended with me standing in right field watching the arc of the ball sail towards the clouds and me screaming the f-bomb.

Handofdeath
08-28-2006, 01:52 PM
Barry Bonds breaking any record. It pains me to see him accomplish the things he has done in recent years and know that he has cheated. The sad part is you could just about make a case for his HOF credintials before 1999. The really sad part is that people are going to jail because of him and I doubt he 's lost a moment's sleep about it. Really the whole steroids thing. When the Giles brothers and the Andy Pettitte's of the world are having seasons now that a few years back you couldn't imagine them having that is just depressing beyond words.

flyer85
08-28-2006, 01:54 PM
The trade of Perez. Took about two years to like the Reds again after that.

LoganBuck
08-28-2006, 03:17 PM
Ron Robinson's almost perfect game. I was stayed up watching it. I was like 8 years old. I remember almost crying over it.

TOBTTReds
08-28-2006, 03:20 PM
My family is from Cleveland and in the 90's I was a big Indians fan too. Edgar Renteria, Jose Mesa, Julian Taveras, and Charles Nagy all made my list after game 7 of the WS. They had it won.

NJReds
08-28-2006, 03:34 PM
Here's one. I was at Candlestick Park. Reds led 6-1 going into the bottom of the 9th. Giants put 6 on the board to win -- capped off by a Dan Gladden 3-run shot. Most of the damage off of Ted Power.

Dave Concepcion homered earlier in the game, and Nick Esasky hit an absolute bomb to dead center.



GIANTS 9TH: C. Davis doubled
Leonard singled [C. Davis scored];
Thompson singled [Leonard to second];
POWER REPLACED TIBBS
(PITCHING);
Brenly grounded out (shortstop to first) [Leonard to
third, Thompson to second];
Wellman singled [Leonard scored,Thompson scored];
YOUNGBLOOD BATTED FOR URIBE; Youngblood grounded out (second to first) [Wellman to second];
GREEN BATTED FOR BLUE; Green walked;
Gladden homered [Wellman scored, Green scored];
6 R, 5 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Reds 6, Giants 7.


San Francisco Giants 7, Cincinnati Reds 6
Friday, April 26, 1985 (N) at Candlestick Park
CIN N 0 1 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 - 6 10 0
SF N 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 6 - 7 9 1

Cincinnati Reds AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Davis cf 5 0 1 0 0 2 1 0
Redus lf 3 0 0 0 2 1 4 0
Parker rf 5 0 1 0 0 1 0 0
Cedeno 1b 4 2 2 0 0 0 13 0
Esasky 3b 4 2 2 3 0 2 0 1
Concepcion ss 4 2 2 1 0 0 0 4
Oester 2b 3 0 0 1 0 1 2 4
Van Gorder c 4 0 0 0 0 2 6 0
Tibbs p 4 0 2 1 0 1 0 4
Power p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 36 6 10 6 2 10 26 13
FIELDING -
DP: 1. Oester-Cedeno.
BATTING -
2B: Cedeno 2 (4,off Hammaker 2); Esasky (5,off Hammaker).
HR: Concepcion (2,2nd inning off Hammaker 0 on 1 out); Esasky (3,5th inning
off Hammaker 1 on 2 out).
SF: Oester (1,off Hammaker).
Team LOB: 6.
BASERUNNING -
SB: Redus 2 (3,2nd base off Hammaker/Brenly 2); Concepcion (3,2nd base off
Hammaker/Brenly).

San Francisco Giants AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Gladden cf 5 2 2 3 0 0 1 0
Trillo 2b 3 0 1 0 1 1 1 1
C. Davis rf 4 1 1 0 0 0 4 0
Leonard lf 3 1 1 2 1 1 1 0
Thompson 1b 4 1 1 0 0 1 8 2
Brenly c 4 0 1 0 0 0 10 2
Wellman 3b 4 1 1 2 0 1 1 1
Uribe ss 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 3
Youngblood ph 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Hammaker p 1 0 0 0 0 1 2 0
Deer ph 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Minton p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Williams p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Rajsich ph 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Blue p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Green ph 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0
Totals 34 7 9 7 3 6 27 11
FIELDING -
DP: 1. Wellman-Trillo-Thompson.
E: Wellman (2).
BATTING -
2B: C. Davis (2,off Tibbs).
HR: Gladden (1,9th inning off Power 2 on 2 out).
Team LOB: 4.

Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Tibbs 8 7 4 4 2 6 0
Power L(0-1) 0.2 2 3 3 1 0 1
Totals 8.2 9 7 7 3 6 1
San Francisco Giants IP H R ER BB SO HR
Hammaker 5 7 6 4 2 7 2
Minton 2 2 0 0 0 1 0
Williams 1 0 0 0 0 1 0
Blue W(2-0) 1 1 0 0 0 1 0
Totals 9 10 6 4 2 10 2
Tibbs faced 3 batters in the 9th inning
Umpires: Bob Davidson, Lanny Harris, Dick Stello, Bruce Froemming
Time of Game: 2:42 Attendance: 12534

NJReds
08-28-2006, 03:45 PM
Another Candlestick game...bad for two reasons.

1. It was the fourth game of a 4-game sweep by the Giants over the Reds. The first three games were all 1-run losses. (I can only imagine what Redszone 1990 would be like...Piniella is an idiot, here comes the collapse...;) )

2. Scott Garrelts had a no-hitter through 8-2/3 innings. Candlestick was packed and the crowd was electric. Once there were 2 outs in the ninth, I figured if the Reds were to lose, it'd still be pretty cool to witness a no-hitter. Then O'Neill lined a single to RF.


San Francisco Giants 4, Cincinnati Reds 0
Played on Sunday, July 29, 1990 (D) at Candlestick Park

CIN N 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 1 1
SF N 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 x - 4 8 0

Cincinnati Reds AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Sabo 3b 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Larkin ss 3 0 0 0 1 1 2 2
O'Neill rf 4 0 1 0 0 0 2 0
Davis cf 2 0 0 0 2 0 1 0
Morris 1b 3 0 0 0 0 0 6 2
Braggs lf 3 0 0 0 0 2 3 0
Oester 2b 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 4
Reed c 3 0 0 0 0 0 8 1
Armstrong p 2 0 0 0 0 2 2 1
Benzinger ph 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
Totals 27 0 1 0 4 5 24 10
FIELDING -
DP: 1. Larkin-Morris.
E: Reed (5).

San Francisco Giants AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Butler cf 2 1 1 0 1 0 3 0
xKingery rf 3 0 0 0 0 1 1 0
Clark 1b 4 1 2 1 0 1 12 0
Williams 3b 4 0 1 0 0 1 1 1
Leach lf 3 1 1 1 1 1 4 0
Kennedy c 4 1 1 2 0 0 5 0
Thompson 2b 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 4
Uribe ss 4 0 0 0 0 1 1 4
Garrelts p 3 0 1 0 0 2 0 3
Totals 31 4 8 4 2 8 27 12
x - reached first on catcher's interference.FIELDING -
DP: 1. Thompson-Uribe-Clark.
BATTING -
2B: Butler (12,off Armstrong); Garrelts (1,off Armstrong).
HR: Kennedy (2,8th inning off Armstrong 1 on 1 out).
HBP: Butler (2,by Armstrong).
Team LOB: 7.
BASERUNNING -
SB: Kingery (2,3rd base off Armstrong/Reed); Clark (7,2nd base off Armstrong/Reed).
CS: Butler (12,2nd base by Armstrong/Reed).

Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Armstrong L(11-7) 8 8 4 4 2 8 1
San Francisco Giants IP H R ER BB SO HR
Garrelts W(9-7) 9 1 0 0 4 5 0

NJReds
08-28-2006, 03:47 PM
In games that I didn't attend, I recall watching the game when Dave Dravecky's arm broke during a normal pitch to home plate (he had come back from cancer). It was really a sad, and scary moment.

George Anderson
08-28-2006, 03:56 PM
I would say the player strike of 1994.

Also the little support that Dave Concepcion has received for the Hall of Fame.

Highlifeman21
08-28-2006, 03:57 PM
In games that I didn't attend, I recall watching the game when Dave Dravecky's arm broke during a normal pitch to home plate (he had come back from cancer). It was really a sad, and scary moment.

Something similar happening to John Smiley IIRC with the Indians. His pitching arm broke during a pitcher.

The 2nd most sickening/disappointing baseball moment was Robin Ventura catching a spike sliding into Home and the nastiest thing ever seen happening to his ankle. Ew.

15fan
08-28-2006, 04:01 PM
Sid Bream scoring from second on a single by Francisco Cabrera.

RichRed
08-28-2006, 04:10 PM
My favorite player as a child, George Foster, being traded to the Mets for Alex Trevino, Jim Kern and Greg Harris. I remember thinking, how could they do this to me?

It was the genesis of my long-standing belief that I should always be consulted before trades are made, even though it has yet to happen even once. ;)

Roy Tucker
08-28-2006, 04:14 PM
Losing to the A's in the '72 WS when Gene Tenace went nuts. And Tony Kubek continued to give us a pronunciation lesson on Tenace (ten-AH-chay).

Losing to the Mets and that punk Bud Harrelson in the '73 NLCS (when they only played best of 5).

Losing to the Phils 10-zip on the last day of the 1964 season and missing the WS by one game.

The dry rot that set in on this franchise 2000-2005.

OldRightHander
08-28-2006, 04:14 PM
The Reds had a three game series coming up against the Dodgers and I could only afford to attend one of the three games. On Friday afternoon I stopped by the stadium and bought a ticket for the Saturday night game and went home. That night I listened to Browning's perfect game and cursed myself for not going that night instead.

McSherry dying right in front of me and the one game playoff against the Mets probably rank higher though, but for different reasons.

dfs
08-28-2006, 04:36 PM
That loss to the the A's was tough.
I still have 1970 era cards where I threw darts at Oriole players.

In the end, nothing was worse than the 94 strike. It literally killed interest in the game among my immediate circle of friends.

macro
08-28-2006, 04:51 PM
Losing to the A's in the '72 WS when Gene Tenace went nuts. And Tony Kubek continued to give us a pronunciation lesson on Tenace (ten-AH-chay).


Is that the correct pronunciation? I have been thinking all these years that it was pronounced as "tennis". I was too young to be aware of such things when Tenace was actually playing, so I've only read (not heard) his name in the years since.

Always Red
08-28-2006, 05:06 PM
Is that the correct pronunciation? I have been thinking all these years that it was pronounced as "tennis". I was too young to be aware of such things when Tenace was actually playing, so I've only read (not heard) his name in the years since.
Tenace had his name Americanized as a child to pronounce it they way you heard it all your life; "tennis"

Gene Tenace was born Fiore Gino Tenacci, and was from Lucasville Ohio, which is why Kubek always pronounced it "tennachi."

westofyou
08-28-2006, 05:30 PM
Here's one. I was at Candlestick Park.

You could have ended it right there and I'd have understood.

NorthBigChief
08-28-2006, 05:36 PM
The '94 season end with a strike and Barry Bonds breaking the Homerun record.:thumbdown

NJReds
08-28-2006, 06:03 PM
You could have ended it right there and I'd have understood.


I didn't mind the 'Stick. Although it got a little cold at night.

I even have a couple of these "Croix de Candlestick" pins...somewhere:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/50/Croix_de_Candlestick.JPG/180px-Croix_de_Candlestick.JPG

They gave them out to people who stayed to the end of night games that went extra innings.

westofyou
08-28-2006, 06:40 PM
They gave them out to people who stayed to the end of night games that went extra innings.Oh remember it well, I followed the Giants by default all through the 80's... sometimes if I feel real cold I just think of Cadlestick and I feel warmer, I went to a night game in 83 there against the Reds, must have been 7K tops in the stadium.. cold as it got.

Oddly enough the hottest I ever was at a football came was in the same venue, the Bay Area Septembers can be brutal.

GoGoWhiteSox
08-28-2006, 07:30 PM
When the White Sox let the AL Central Division slip away in 2003. The collapse began when Jerry Manuel declined to start Mark Buehrle in the third game of a series in New York. It was around this time of year, late August/early September. The Sox were on FIRE. They beat the Yanks in the first two games 13-2 and 11-2 and they could have went for the kill in game three. Nooooo Jerry Manuel had to start Neal freakin' Cotts in game three and the Sox lost. This began a downhill spiral that culminated with the Twins sweeping them in Minnesota in a crucial series in mid-September. The Sox, fell out of first place for good after that series, and Jerry Manuel was fired immediately after the season.

REDREAD
08-28-2006, 07:41 PM
John Allen and Carl Lindner lying about the GAB and lying about how they were going to be a competitive team. I expected it to happen, but it still made me angry when they executed their real plan (Pretend to be competitive, then dump everyone possible for cash).

All those lean years leading up to the stadium (Be patient, blah blah) for nothing.

To me, that's more disappointing than any loss on the field.

RedsBaron
08-28-2006, 07:51 PM
The 1972 World Series loss to the A's remains my greatest disappointment as a Reds fan.

MrCinatit
08-28-2006, 07:57 PM
Watching the disasembling of the Big Red Machine, piece by piece. Not one specific moment, but witnessing it happen slowly but surely was stomach churning.
The 1981 strike. I was too young to remember 1972's strike, but old enough to appreciate the '81 strike - and become very frustrated at the lack of play.
Pete Rose.

mth123
08-28-2006, 08:12 PM
For me the Rose situation.

On the field, the 72 series.

TeamBoone
08-28-2006, 09:06 PM
The tie-breaking loss to the Mets in 1999. I was there. I cried. It was just awful.

nmculbreth
08-28-2006, 11:59 PM
1999. Al "Freaking" Leiter.

Ditto.

MaineRed
08-29-2006, 12:59 AM
Eric Davis' numerous injuries. Growing up I loved the guy. I just wished he could stay healthy. 80 steals in part time play one season. 37 homers when he misses 30+ games the next. This guy had 50/50 written all over him. Easily 40/40. But as soon as he would get it going, he'd run into a wall or dive for a ball. But that recklessness is why I loved him so much. He was a true 5 tooler.

It does bring a smile to my face when I think of him with a world series ring and think of his game 1, first AB homer against the A's. But of course he had to go and injure himself and miss the celebration of the win.

99 was pretty painful. I think I was more disapointed with how the entire thing was handled. I think after what the Reds had to go through in Milwaukee that everything should of been pushed back a day. For a play-off game, the visiting team should not be asleep in their hotel rooms IN CINCINNATI before the Reds even get on the plane home. Wasn't it like 2 o'clock in the morning when the game in Milwaukee got over? If the Red players were home and asleep by 5 AM, they were lucky. And what kind of sleep can you get at that hour? I don't recall the exact circumstances but I remember not being happy about it.

TOBTTReds
08-29-2006, 02:44 AM
At about 1:38am on Aug 29th Brandon Phillips got K'd without swinging once with a tying run on 2nd in a big pennant race. :all_cohol

Being sarcastic here.

Razor Shines
08-29-2006, 02:49 AM
At about 1:38am on Aug 29th Brandon Phillips got K'd without swinging once with a tying run on 2nd in a big pennant race. :all_cohol
If he hadn't hit a 2 run homer in the 8th the tying run would not have been on. He got fooled, he was looking for the slider.

5TimeWSChamps
08-29-2006, 02:57 AM
Oh man; Where to begin:
I'm only 22 so bear with me

#1) Reggie Sanders in the 1995 NLCS
#2) Al Leiter in the 99 Playoff Game
#3) The trade of Aaron Boone to the Yankees.

Team Clark
08-29-2006, 03:09 AM
Getting my release from the Pirates IN THE MAIL!! I cried.:cry:

Watching Tom Browning destroy kids' careers in Florence.:bang:
(and have to listen to his big mouth take credit
for the kids I moved on to Big League teams)

Meeting a boyhood idol named Cal Ripken, Jr. What a jerk....:(

The day my Dad told me Tracy Jones was traded to the Giants :thumbdown

TOBTTReds
08-29-2006, 03:50 AM
If he hadn't hit a 2 run homer in the 8th the tying run would not have been on. He got fooled, he was looking for the slider.

I know I know. I was messing around. BTW, you can't sit on a slow pitch, then hope to catch up to a FB in the majors (especially one in the upper 90's), or really anywhere. Just not a good idea. Anyway...off that topic, dont want to hijack here!

Keystone12
08-29-2006, 07:51 AM
1999. My mother got us seats out in dead center, near the scoreboard height.

That was some summer in Reds memory.

Always Red
08-29-2006, 10:33 AM
Getting my release from the Pirates IN THE MAIL!! I cried.:cry:


That's cold! you got fired through the MAIL? not even a cell phone call?:thumbdown

Team Clark
08-29-2006, 10:40 AM
That's cold! you got fired through the MAIL? not even a cell phone call?:thumbdown

Nope. Cell phones were not the "norm" back then either. You got a form letter in the mail with three check boxes. Mine was checked "Waived" :laugh:

TOBTTReds
08-29-2006, 12:37 PM
Nope. Cell phones were not the "norm" back then either. You got a form letter in the mail with three check boxes. Mine was checked "Waived" :laugh:

Wow, that reminds me of 4th grade:

http://www.davidandgoliathtees.com/shop/images/products/3387.jpg

goreds2
08-29-2006, 12:41 PM
I would say my most dissappointing moment for the Reds was when they blew their first place lead in August of 1987. Pete brought us from no where and it would have been nice to get a division title for him as manager.

EDIT: I would also like to include the firing of Tony Perez in 1993.

redlegs2370
08-29-2006, 01:18 PM
In 99, the last 3 game series with the Brewers. This recent road trip to the West Coast will end up being a close second. The first made the Reds play the Mets in the play in game which they lost and the latter looks like will defintely cost the Reds the division and more than likely the wild card.

Team Clark
08-29-2006, 01:38 PM
Wow, that reminds me of 4th grade:

http://www.davidandgoliathtees.com/shop/images/products/3387.jpg

That's pretty darn close. I tore that paper to shreds. I wish I had kept it but it's hard to talk to kids. :laugh:

MaineRed
08-29-2006, 05:13 PM
Watching Tom Browning destroy kids' careers in Florence.:bang: (and have to listen to his big mouth take credit
for the kids I moved on to Big League teams)

I'm out of the loop on this one. Could you elaborate a little?