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camisadelgolf
09-07-2006, 05:42 PM
Wayne's been getting a lot of criticizm lately, but I think most of it is undeserved. The Keans/Lopez deal hasn't panned out--in fact, he'd look like a genius if not for that trade--but we've given up pretty much nothing for the rest of these guys, and they've been pretty productive for us.


Name W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO
Bill Bray 2 1 4.43 22 0 0 0 2 3 22.1 29 14 11 2 0 8 18
Rheal Cormier 0 1 4.50 18 0 0 0 0 0 12.0 18 6 6 3 0 4 5
Ryan Franklin 4 2 4.67 13 0 0 0 0 1 17.1 19 9 9 3 0 12 9
Eddie Guardado 0 0 1.29 15 0 0 0 8 10 14.0 15 5 2 2 1 2 17
Sun-Woo Kim 0 1 3.60 1 1 0 0 0 0 5.0 4 2 2 1 0 0 3
Kyle Lohse 1 2 3.26 7 6 0 0 0 0 38.2 39 14 14 3 0 10 32
Gary Majewski 1 2 11.32 13 0 0 0 0 2 10.1 22 13 13 1 2 3 7
Scott Schoeneweis 0 0 1.08 9 0 0 0 1 1 8.1 4 1 1 1 0 4 5
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Totals 8 9 4.08 98 7 0 0 11 17 128.0 150 64 58 16 3 43 96

Name G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
Juan Castro 39 69 6 20 5 0 2 10 31 3 9 0 1 .319 .449 .290
Royce Clayton 37 122 11 29 5 0 2 10 40 7 27 6 2 .279 .328 .238
Todd Hollandsworth 19 32 1 9 2 0 0 6 11 3 10 0 1 .343 .344 .281
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Totals 95 223 18 58 12 0 4 26 82 13 46 6 4 .318 .368 .260

flyer85
09-07-2006, 05:55 PM
been running in place

BRM
09-07-2006, 05:58 PM
I understand your point but I wouldn't label Bray, Cormier, Franklin, Majewski, or Clayton "pretty productive". I'd label most of them as "pretty bad".

nkufan
09-07-2006, 06:22 PM
dont forget brandon phillips bronson arroyo daivd ross and scott hatteberg

ickey333
09-07-2006, 06:24 PM
I understand your point but I wouldn't label Bray, Cormier, Franklin, Majewski, or Clayton "pretty productive". I'd label most of them as "pretty bad".

To be fair to the original poster, I think he meant that the players other than those involved in "the deal" have been pretty productive...which, of course, still doesn't excuse Cormier and Franklin from that "pretty bad" list.

MrCinatit
09-07-2006, 08:44 PM
Every GM for every team is going to have his share of turkeys - taking a risk is a part of that job, and if they begin shying from risks, they become Dan0.
For every Dave Williams with the Mets, there is a Jose Lima waiting in the wings.

ChatterRed
09-08-2006, 08:53 AM
Actually, I was wondering why Arroyo, Ross, and Phillips weren't on the list either?

Red Rover
09-08-2006, 12:00 PM
two words "Joe Mays"

Heath
09-08-2006, 12:06 PM
Gosh - if he'd find a cure for cancer and help old ladies across Mehring Way, welll, he'd be a SAINT! :D

camisadelgolf
09-08-2006, 12:33 PM
These are all players he traded for in the past two months. And yeah, when I said "pretty productive", I meant the players that weren't involved with the Lopez/Kearns deal. And in regards to Cormier and Franklin, if a 4-3 record with a 4.60 ERA is "pretty bad", then they need to change the definition of "average" in the dictionary.

BRM
09-08-2006, 12:47 PM
Maybe it's not pretty bad it's certainly not "pretty productive".

Danny Serafini
09-08-2006, 12:55 PM
They both have WHIPs approaching 2.00, and Franklin has more walks than Ks. Neither has gotten the job done. It's like Esteban Yan, who pitched poorly despite his 3.60 ERA in Cincinnati.

MaineRed
09-08-2006, 12:58 PM
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/09/08/recent_developments_are_not_easy_to_deal_with/

reds_bengals1
09-08-2006, 02:27 PM
Look at it this way, you only have to hit 3 out of 10 to be a good offensive player, so his "batting average" certainly isn't near the Mendoza Line.

camisadelgolf
09-08-2006, 03:20 PM
I'm sorry--I'm not trying to snap at anyone. What I'm trying to say is, overall, other than the Lopez/Kearns trade, we've gotten a lot of production considering how much we've had to give up for it.

Danny Serafini
09-08-2006, 03:27 PM
Oh, there are certainly more hits than misses. Trust me, I'm not on the "Fire Krivsky" bandwagon. I just don't see Cormier or Franklin as a hit so far, that's all.

Ltlabner
09-08-2006, 03:45 PM
I'm still just in shock that Kriv hasn't been able to unravel the ills of the entire franchise in a mere 8 months. I mean, how much time does the guy need? Geez.

Scouting has been decimated since the 1980's and the farm system since the 1990's. The previous ragime was focused on not losing money moresoe than fielding a competitive team. Case in point, 30 or so people in the front office when BC took over. 30? For all that has to be acomplished, that's not too many people.

Some of his moves worked out well. Some haven't worked out well. But the team went from being picked to finishing in 5th place to being competitive until the end of August. It looks like it will take a miricle to make the playoffs, and I know that is the ultimate goal but come on folks, those who expected to go all the way with a .500 team and a franchise that's been in dissrepair since the late 1980's. were kidding themselves.

At the end of the day Baseball is entertainment. We were all entertianed by this team until the end of August - compare that to other teams in the recient past. I'd say we got our monies worth.

I guess I missed the memo that said a GM had to be perfect, always "win" his trades and never have a deal not work out.