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flyer85
09-11-2006, 08:25 PM
tonight.

Cody Ross hits a 3 run HR off of Dave Williams

Tom Servo
09-11-2006, 08:36 PM
I'd say keeping McCracken over Ross when we needed to make room on the roster isn't looking so good.

westofyou
09-11-2006, 08:42 PM
Ross has a juicy line ---- .208/.283/.377/.660

That's good enough to be the Redszone Pinata for quite some time.

Falls City Beer
09-11-2006, 09:18 PM
Ross has a juicy line ---- .208/.283/.377/.660

That's good enough to be the Redszone Pinata for quite some time.

I'd take 8 dingers and great D off the bench over what the Reds have gotten from McCracken, Hollandsworth, and every other member of the Reds' bench rogue's gallery.

westofyou
09-11-2006, 09:25 PM
I'd take 8 dingers and great D off the bench over what the Reds have gotten from McCracken, Hollandsworth, and every other member of the Reds' bench rogue's gallery.

Uh Huh....

http://www.southboundtravels.com/pics-guat/22-26/images/pana3-22-bday-pinata.jpg

Falls City Beer
09-11-2006, 09:29 PM
Uh Huh....

http://www.southboundtravels.com/pics-guat/22-26/images/pana3-22-bday-pinata.jpg

Oh please.

The guy's a bench player; in my world, a guy with a little bit of pop who plays a variety of positions is a very valuable 25th guy.

westofyou
09-11-2006, 09:33 PM
Oh please.

The guy's a bench player; in my world, a guy with a little bit of pop who plays a variety of positions is a very valuable 25th guy.

He's having Reggie Taylor's 2003 season, and whenever he has a hit there's a post about him, if he was on the Reds he'd be dog meat.

That's how I see it.

Falls City Beer
09-11-2006, 09:37 PM
He's having Reggie Taylor's 2003 season, and whenever he has a hit there's a post about him, if he was on the Reds he'd be dog meat.

That's how I see it.

Reggie Taylor's 2003 was pretty good for a bench player. Just because others wouldn't appreciate him, doesn't mean he hasn't been better than Hopper, Denorfia, Hollandsworth, McCracken, Wise, Castro.

redsfan30
09-11-2006, 09:44 PM
He's having Reggie Taylor's 2003 season, and whenever he has a hit there's a post about him, if he was on the Reds he'd be dog meat.

That's how I see it.

:clap:

westofyou
09-11-2006, 09:45 PM
Reggie Taylor's 2003 was pretty good for a bench player. Just because others wouldn't appreciate him, doesn't mean he hasn't been better than Hopper, Denorfia, Hollandsworth, McCracken, Wise, Castro.

Yeah, Darrin Lewis 1995 good, I'll Take Jerome Walton's 1995 instead.



RUNS CREATED/GAME YEAR RC/G AB
1 Herm Winningham 1991 2.53 169
2 Bob Usher 1946 2.61 152
3 Darren Lewis 1995 2.66 163
4 Wally Westlake 1952 2.72 183
5 Clyde Vollmer 1947 2.79 155
6 Harry Bay 1901 2.84 157
7 Reggie Taylor 2003 3.12 180
8 Wily Mo Pena 2003 3.22 165
9 Cuckoo Christensen 1927 3.30 185
10 Tommy Tatum 1947 4.33 176

Falls City Beer
09-11-2006, 09:48 PM
Yeah, Darrin Lewis 1995 good, I'll Take Jerome Walton's 1995 instead.



RUNS CREATED/GAME YEAR RC/G AB
1 Herm Winningham 1991 2.53 169
2 Bob Usher 1946 2.61 152
3 Darren Lewis 1995 2.66 163
4 Wally Westlake 1952 2.72 183
5 Clyde Vollmer 1947 2.79 155
6 Harry Bay 1901 2.84 157
7 Reggie Taylor 2003 3.12 180
8 Wily Mo Pena 2003 3.22 165
9 Cuckoo Christensen 1927 3.30 185
10 Tommy Tatum 1947 4.33 176


I was thinking of Taylor's 2002 season. Still, each player in his own place. Everyone liked to pick on Reggie, but guys like him have their uses. There's not a player on the Reds' bench worth a damn, excepting Valentin.

It's a 25th man, true. But every move counts.

*I thought Walton 1995 was a true platoon, not a 25th man.

Ltlabner
09-11-2006, 09:52 PM
There's not a player on the Reds' bench worth a damn, excepting Valentin.

Wow...Hopper has already incurred your distain? That didn't take long.

westofyou
09-11-2006, 09:53 PM
*I thought Walton 1995 was a true platoon, not a 25th man.

Mostly spot starts, injury fill ins.

Falls City Beer
09-11-2006, 09:53 PM
Wow...Hopper has already incurred your distain? That didn't take long.

Small sample. Don't really have a true opinion either way.

Ltlabner
09-11-2006, 09:59 PM
Small sample. Don't really have a true opinion either way.

So I guess all the bench guys (besides Javi) aren't crap then are they?

Falls City Beer
09-11-2006, 10:03 PM
So I guess all the bench guys (besides Javi) aren't crap then are they?

All we know is that we don't know about Hopper. I'd say it's not confirmed. But it's not like Hopper is a Krivsky acquisition.

Ltlabner
09-11-2006, 10:05 PM
All we know is that we don't know about Hopper. I'd say it's not confirmed. But it's not like Hopper is a Krivsky acquisition.

I know....just checking you a bit on your "no one off the bench worth a damn" comment. :)

RedFanAlways1966
09-11-2006, 10:08 PM
But it's not like Hopper is a Krivsky acquisition.

And I must ask these questions... who was available? Who could the REDS have gotten for what they had to offer?

Just two questions. Easy anwers?!? Realistic answers?!? :confused:

Falls City Beer
09-11-2006, 10:09 PM
And I must ask these questions... who was available? Who could the REDS have gotten for what they had to offer?

Just two questions. Easy anwers?!? Realistic answers?!? :confused:

Keep Ross instead of giving him away.

I'm fine with Hopper, more than willing to give the guy his shot; he's earned it. But, bird in the hand....

RedFanAlways1966
09-11-2006, 10:14 PM
Keep Ross instead of giving him away.

I'm fine with Hopper, more than willing to give the guy his shot; he's earned it. But, bird in the hand....

Perhaps. It just seemed jinxed from the get-go with Cody Ross. 1st at-bat as a REDS player he whiffs. Not only does he whiff, but he breaks his pinky finger when strike 3 hits his hand (swung at a horrble pitch!). One at-bat and he is on the DL. Even Cody seemed happy to get out of Cincy and head to FLA where he could play... gave some praise to Krivsky for the trade.

flyer85
09-11-2006, 10:26 PM
Cody just hit his 3rd HR of the game

RedFanAlways1966
09-11-2006, 10:30 PM
Cody just hit his 3rd HR of the game

HOLY! If only he had used the bat instead of his pinky-finger when with the REDS. What might have been... ;)

ramp101
09-11-2006, 10:32 PM
fantastic night for Cody and the Marlins

texasdave
09-11-2006, 11:17 PM
that's almost one per fan..lol

SultanOfSwing
09-12-2006, 09:58 AM
Keep Ross instead of giving him away.

I'm fine with Hopper, more than willing to give the guy his shot; he's earned it. But, bird in the hand....

Do we even know what the PTNL is? I don't think it has been settled yet. How do you know we gave him away? If we can get something decent for him (hopefully a live arm), why not trade him? The point is, he hasn't had a great season, just a great game. He wasn't going to play full-time here, he can in Florida. We obtained him for absolutely nothing, because the Dodgers had to trade him; we were not forced to trade him. Thus, I'm sure Krivsky saw the opportunity to upgrade minor league talent when the Marlins bit. Cody Ross is not a special player, nor a coveted one, even on the bench. View it instead as trading Ben Kozlowski for whatever Florida gives us. Then we may realize it is a great trade.

Falls City Beer
09-12-2006, 12:52 PM
Do we even know what the PTNL is? I don't think it has been settled yet. How do you know we gave him away? If we can get something decent for him (hopefully a live arm), why not trade him? The point is, he hasn't had a great season, just a great game. He wasn't going to play full-time here, he can in Florida. We obtained him for absolutely nothing, because the Dodgers had to trade him; we were not forced to trade him. Thus, I'm sure Krivsky saw the opportunity to upgrade minor league talent when the Marlins bit. Cody Ross is not a special player, nor a coveted one, even on the bench. View it instead as trading Ben Kozlowski for whatever Florida gives us. Then we may realize it is a great trade.


I'd love to know the percentage of all PTBNLs who have made it to the majors. 1/100th of 1%? I don't know; does anyone have any figures on such a thing?