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camisadelgolf
09-21-2006, 06:16 PM
That is the question.

Do you pay him a million dollars for next year, or do you take the $50,000 buyout?

pahster
09-21-2006, 06:29 PM
Buyout. Might as well let Olmedo take Castro's spot for the minimum.

LincolnparkRed
09-21-2006, 06:32 PM
They don't use him enough to make it worth it. Unless you are going to play him everyday offensive deficiency aside then set him free

Patrick Bateman
09-21-2006, 06:34 PM
There's cheaper/better alternatives out there for under 1M.

Puffy
09-21-2006, 06:57 PM
Juan Castro is the bane of my existence. Please no. I don't ask for a lot. A warm meal. Cold beer. My call girls with large, ummmmmmm, hands. And no Juan Castro (or Joe Randa or Dave Williams or Jeremy Burnitz or Tony Womack) on the Reds

ochre
09-21-2006, 07:04 PM
Juan Castro is the bane of my existence. Please no. I don't ask for a lot. A warm meal. Cold beer. My call girls with large, ummmmmmm, hands. And no Juan Castro (or Joe Randa or Dave Williams or Jeremy Burnitz or Tony Womack) on the Reds
That pretty much guarantees Castro's return. You had your chance at the reverse jinx, but, alas, the opportunity has passed.

Jr's Boy
09-21-2006, 07:11 PM
Looks like i'm the lone wolf here on this issue.I'd bring him back for that price,thats chump change nowadays in MLB.Plus he's best friends with Johann Santana.We can dream can't we?;)

pedro
09-21-2006, 07:20 PM
absolutely not.

Patrick Bateman
09-21-2006, 07:26 PM
Juan Castro is the bane of my existence. Please no. I don't ask for a lot. A warm meal. Cold beer. My call girls with large, ummmmmmm, hands. And no Juan Castro (or Joe Randa or Dave Williams or Jeremy Burnitz or Tony Womack) on the Reds

I think you forgot Yan, Q-Crack, and Clayton.

Chip R
09-21-2006, 07:30 PM
I'd buy him out then negotiate to bring him back at somewhere in the neighborhood of $500K.

pedro
09-21-2006, 07:36 PM
I'd buy him out then negotiate to bring him back at somewhere in the neighborhood of $500K.


Not if Narron is the manager. He uses him to pinch hit. Which is the stupidest thing any manager has ever done IMO.

Crosley68
09-21-2006, 07:39 PM
Fidel might be worth the 1 mil, but if it turns out to be Raul, then I opt for the buyout.

redsfanfalcon
09-21-2006, 07:41 PM
Bring him back no questions asked. I remember that Houston game a few years back when he made a diving stop down the line to save the Reds victory...then this year, he turned that nice double play to save the game for Eddie Guardado. If you put him in on defense in those situations, he has a chance to be a game saver.

Chip R
09-21-2006, 08:10 PM
Not if Narron is the manager. He uses him to pinch hit. Which is the stupidest thing any manager has ever done IMO.

Ideally he gets a spot start and comes in on double switches. I hear you about Narron but Castro's a good guy to have on the bench. Perhaps his most valuable role is as a mentor to someone like EE both on and off the field. I like him better than Olmedo or Bergolla or even DanO's pet whose name escapes me at this time.

pedro
09-21-2006, 08:14 PM
Ideally he gets a spot start and comes in on double switches. I hear you about Narron but Castro's a good guy to have on the bench. Perhaps his most valuable role is as a mentor to someone like EE both on and off the field. I like him better than Olmedo or Bergolla or even DanO's pet whose name escapes me at this time.

I agree about that. I just think Narron over uses him. I'd keep Castro over Narron though....

Danny Serafini
09-21-2006, 10:53 PM
I'd keep him. When used correctly (key words there) Castro still has some value. And $1 million really isn't anything. I wouldn't let the price tag scare me.

James B.
09-22-2006, 12:35 AM
Not if Narron is the manager. He uses him to pinch hit. Which is the stupidest thing any manager has ever done IMO.

Exactly! Every time I see Castro pinch it with the game on the line I cringe. The reds brought him here for his defense and Narron treats him like he is a key bat off the bench.

Topcat
09-22-2006, 12:36 AM
Give the job to Olmedo he deserves this chance.

KronoRed
09-22-2006, 05:07 AM
A million bucks for a guy who can't hit?

No thanks.

cumberlandreds
09-22-2006, 08:29 AM
It's Olmedo's time. He will be cheaper and about as good defensively. Anyway if the Reds had to they could probably pick Castro back up mid season.

2001MUgrad
09-22-2006, 09:24 AM
I think it would be great to have him around for another year. $1 Mil isn't bad for what he brings to the table, but you have got to use him more than Narron did. You can't use someone once a week as a 1 inning player if he is getting that kind of Jack. Hopefully Clayton will not be back so that would certainly open up some playing time. Would't be opposed to him starting once a week or maybe even twice a week at any combo of 2nd, 3rd, and SS.

RANDY IN INDY
09-22-2006, 09:41 AM
I like Castro. I hope he is back. Good "team" guy in a utility role that has a knack for making a big play or getting a big hit late in a game. I am a Castro fan.

oneupper
09-22-2006, 09:57 AM
Fidel might be worth the 1 mil, but if it turns out to be Raul, then I opt for the buyout.

Don't fret. At least I thought it was funny. :) :laugh: :laugh:

REDREAD
09-22-2006, 10:18 AM
I would probably be inclined to bring him back. I know Jerry doesn't use him wisely, but I don't see Olmedo being a viable alternative. I remember how painful it was when the Reds didn't have a legitimate backup SS that could even come close to fielding the ball. Remember Mark Lewis filling in there?

Replacing Castro with Olmedo only saves about 600k or so. Not worth it, Castro has one of the worst career OBP in ML history, but Olmedo is probably going to be worse (and has marginal fielding). If Olmedo was better, I'd be more inclined to cut Juan loose.

I think it's almost guaranteed that Castro comes back. Wayne loved him enough to trade for him.

Raisor
09-22-2006, 11:54 AM
I would buy Puffy a round with an escort if it would keep Castro off the team.

Jr's Boy
09-22-2006, 03:11 PM
As crappy as this defense is,why the fuss of no offensive production from Castro?Would be nice to see the Reds focus on defense rather than worrying about everyone being another Tony Gwynn.

ochre
09-22-2006, 03:34 PM
using Castro's Defensive acumen, within the context of this team's many glaring deficiencies, as a justification for keeping him on this roster is akin to the Captain of the Titanic being concerned about a loose bung nut on a keg of Taddy Porter in the 4th class hold.

Red Leader
09-22-2006, 03:45 PM
using Castro's Defensive acumen, within the context of this team's many glaring deficiencies, as a justification for keeping him on this roster is akin to the Captain of the Titanic being concerned about a loose bung nut on a keg of Taddy Porter in the 4th class hold.

Ummm, we shouldn't bring him back for a mil? :dunno:

;)

NJReds
09-22-2006, 05:02 PM
http://www.ctgilles.net/images/pictars/dr.evil_one_miliion_dollars.jpg

I hope his agent doesn't expect to receive his "one million dollars"

Send him on his way. We have other MI options.

mth123
09-22-2006, 05:34 PM
I would probably be inclined to bring him back. I know Jerry doesn't use him wisely, but I don't see Olmedo being a viable alternative. I remember how painful it was when the Reds didn't have a legitimate backup SS that could even come close to fielding the ball. Remember Mark Lewis filling in there?

Replacing Castro with Olmedo only saves about 600k or so. Not worth it, Castro has one of the worst career OBP in ML history, but Olmedo is probably going to be worse (and has marginal fielding). If Olmedo was better, I'd be more inclined to cut Juan loose.

I think it's almost guaranteed that Castro comes back. Wayne loved him enough to trade for him.

Not trying to be combative, just trying to determine what I'm missing. What is it about Olmedo that is such a downgrade? From where I am watching I see player who is younger, has more range and his bat is similarly sporadic and undependable. Olmedo is cheaper (but not really that much), can be used to PR, and due to Jaun's declining range may be just as good defensively even if he is more error prone. Why do you prefer Castro? We're talking about a utility IF who will probably only be used in late inning double switches and an occasional start. This will be even more true if Freel returns to the super sub role and gets some time at 2B and 3B. If the starter gets hurt, the team is hosed with either of these guys.

Puffy
09-22-2006, 05:34 PM
I would buy Puffy a round with an escort if it would keep Castro off the team.

Could I have the one on your immediate right?

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/916060/raisor.jpg

REDREAD
09-22-2006, 05:47 PM
Not trying to be combative, just trying to determine what I'm missing. What is it about Olmedo that is such a downgrade? From where I am watching I see player who is younger, has more range and his bat is similarly sporadic and undependable. .

I think Olmedo is a poor glove and hitter. Much worse hitter than Castro (and that's saying a lot). If Olmedo was a plus glove, I'd be all for subbing him for Castro. Granted, Castro's skills have eroded but outside of Phillips, he's still the best MI defender in the organization (or at least between the majors and AAA).

In short, Olmedo does nothing better than Castro, IMO, of course.
That's not because Castro is good, it's just Olmedo is that bad.

I'd rather spend the extra 600k and bring Castro back. However, that's not the only options we have. Perhaps Wayne will be able to pull a decent backup MI off the scrap heap. Rule V might be a decent place to pull one as well. I could live with a no hit guy that had a better glove than Castro.

mth123
09-22-2006, 06:05 PM
Rule V might be a decent place to pull one as well. I could live with a no hit guy that had a better glove than Castro.


This might be the best idea in this lesser of two evils thread. Lets at least get some one who can run the bases.

camisadelgolf
09-22-2006, 06:09 PM
I'm surprised to find myself in the minority. I think his defense makes him worth the money. And as a pinch-hitter, it seems like he's gotten plenty of clutch hits. Granted, I still don't like him as a starter, but that's why he wouldn't be getting paid more than a million dollars.

Danny Serafini
09-25-2006, 11:48 AM
Wayne has made his vote. Castro agreed to a 2 year contract through 2008 today, with a club option for 2009 per team press notes.

dabvu2498
09-25-2006, 11:53 AM
Wayne has made his vote. Castro agreed to a 2 year contract through 2008 today, with a club option for 2009 per team press notes.

Ugh... not the "direction" I wanted to see.

BRM
09-25-2006, 12:36 PM
Wayne sure loves him some weak hitting infielders with the perception of good defense. Oh well, he's just a backup anyway.

RedsManRick
09-25-2006, 12:56 PM
Castro was a great defender 5 years ago. Problem is that he's lost some range.

Puffy
09-25-2006, 01:04 PM
Wayne has made his vote. Castro agreed to a 2 year contract through 2008 today, with a club option for 2009 per team press notes.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooo

I'm beginning to hate Krivsky.

BRM
09-25-2006, 01:06 PM
Castro was a great defender 5 years ago. Problem is that he's lost some range.

Thus the perception of good defense. Clayton and Castro still have the perception of good defense because they were good defenders some years back.

ochre
09-25-2006, 01:31 PM
ca. 2003? There's a trend there with the pitchers acquired as well. What year did Krivsky begin focusing on the contracts side with the Twins?

terminator
09-25-2006, 01:52 PM
Wayne has made his vote. Castro agreed to a 2 year contract through 2008 today, with a club option for 2009 per team press notes.
Bad move IMHO. Since the Reds decided they wanted him, they should have just picked up the one year option. Why tie our hands and sign him for another year after that? Are we worried he'll have a great year and demand big bucks in free agency in 2008? Also, he's not a valuable cog like Freel where it helps to have a gap in our roster filled for a couple years. This is just filling the back end of the roster just to fill the back end of the roster.

Tom Servo
09-25-2006, 04:32 PM
As long as we're not breaking the bank or anything for him, I don't have a problem with the extension. He's played great defense and has come up with some big hits at the plate (3 run homer vs. Tribe, 3 run homer vs. Rockies, 2 run single vs. Giants) when we needed it but didn't expect it from him. I got no beef with Juan.

Red Rover
09-25-2006, 05:39 PM
I think that this is a sign that Rich will not be back next year, and the Reds will play in the FA market for a SS/2B for next season. It also leads me to belive that Narron will be back next year. Castro is a backup, and of all the backups on this team he is the only one that Narron uses correctly.

Edd Roush
09-25-2006, 08:06 PM
Any clue to the amount of this new contract?

Gallen5862
09-25-2006, 08:28 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print...535&type=story
Castro agrees to two-year, $2M extension with Reds

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Associated Press

Juan Castro
Shortstop
Cincinnati Reds

Profile
2006 SEASON STATISTICS
GM HR RBI R OBP AVG
100 3 26 16 .274 .245


CINCINNATI -- Cincinnati infielder Juan Castro agreed Monday to a $2 million, two-year contract extension with the Reds.
The 34-year-old Castro is hitting .272 in 50 games during his second tour of duty with Cincinnati.
He played for Cincinnati from 2000-04 before signing with Minnesota as a free agent. He was reacquired by the Reds from the Twins on June 15 for minor league outfielder Brandon Roberts.
Castro gets $925,000 in 2007 and $975,000 in 2008. The Reds have a 2008 option at $1.1 million with a $100,000 buyout.
In addition, he would get $50,000 bonuses for 400, 450 and 500 plate appearances.

Gallen5862
09-25-2006, 08:30 PM
This is cheaper than his 1 million dollar option for 2007. The buyout is not alot.