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Red Rover
09-22-2006, 04:45 PM
What are considered the tools for a 5 tool player? I've never really understood what a 5 tool player is. Can someone please list the 5 tools?

Dracodave
09-22-2006, 04:47 PM
In baseball, a five-tool player is a term used to define a complete performer, an athlete who excels at hitting for average, hitting for power, baserunning skills and speed, throwing ability and fielding abilities.

Got this from wikipedia

jmcclain19
09-22-2006, 04:47 PM
Hit for Average
Hit for Power
Speed
Arm
Glove

EDIT - looks like Dracodave beat me to it

dabvu2498
09-22-2006, 04:47 PM
In no particular order...

Speed
Defensive Ability
Arm strength
Power
Hitting for "average"

Red Rover
09-22-2006, 04:49 PM
Would Edwin or Brandon be the closest to a 5 tool player that the Reds have?

Red Leader
09-22-2006, 04:50 PM
1) Hitting for average, 2) hitting for power, 3) baserunning skills and speed, 4) throwing ability and 5) fielding abilities.

Dracodave
09-22-2006, 04:52 PM
Would Edwin or Brandon be the closest to a 5 tool player that the Reds have?

I believe Edwin would be a three to four tool player, as would Phillips..

Jose Reyes is 5 tool.

Puffy
09-22-2006, 04:52 PM
What are considered the tools for a 5 tool player? I've never really understood what a 5 tool player is. Can someone please list the 5 tools?

1. Hammer
2. Screwdriver
3. Power Saw
4. Caulking gun
5. wrench

dabvu2498
09-22-2006, 04:52 PM
Griffey is....errrrrrrrrrrr... was...

Puffy
09-22-2006, 04:53 PM
Chip is a tool.

Just sayin'

Red Leader
09-22-2006, 04:54 PM
LOL@Puffy.

:laugh: :laugh:

Red Rover
09-22-2006, 04:55 PM
Would Clayton or Dunn have the fewest tools?

Redhook
09-22-2006, 04:56 PM
Would Edwin or Brandon be the closest to a 5 tool player that the Reds have?

Edwin is too slow and as of right now is a defensive liability. He's a 3-tool player right now. Phillips is probably a borderline 4-tool player right now.

Barry Larkin was probably the last Reds 5-tool player.

Redhook
09-22-2006, 04:59 PM
Would Clayton or Dunn have the fewest tools?

LaRue.....can't hit for average, very slow, ok arm, so-so fielding, and average power.

Thinking about it, IMO, Dunn is a one-tool player. He's a very good one-tool player though. I don't know if Clayton has any tools. :laugh:

REDREAD
09-22-2006, 05:14 PM
Larkin (in his prime) was the last true 5 tool player the Reds had IMO.

Michael Cameron comes close.. In fact, he might be close enough to count. Not a high average, but a nice OBP and he could definitely do the other 4 well.

RichRed
09-22-2006, 05:23 PM
1. Hammer
2. Screwdriver
3. Power Saw
4. Caulking gun
5. wrench

6. Carson Daly.

redsfanmia
09-22-2006, 05:29 PM
Why is hitting for average a tool? Not making an out should be a tool.

MississippiRed
09-22-2006, 05:45 PM
Why is hitting for average a tool? Not making an out should be a tool.

I've seen this talked about a good bit, but I'm pretty sure they go together. You hear talk of hit-driven OBP, etc.

There are only a couple of ways to not make outs consistently--get a hit or walk. And no MLB player who can't hit draws that many walks. Take a look at who draws the most walks each season. These are the players, for the most part, who concern pitchers (and managers) with their hitting ability. Of course, it requires the patience to lay off those bad pitches, but first pitchers have to be concerned about throwing strikes to you. And you can talk about being BABIP lucky, but the guys who hit the ball hard get BABIP lucky. When Royce Clayton draws a walk, the pitcher is usually struggling with his control.

I looked at the top 10 in walks, and only Brian Giles and Bobby Abreu have fewer than 22 home runs, and Giles hardly compares because of his home park (he does have 33 doubles).

Michael

Patrick Bateman
09-22-2006, 05:49 PM
LaRue.....can't hit for average, very slow, ok arm, so-so fielding, and average power.

Thinking about it, IMO, Dunn is a one-tool player. He's a very good one-tool player though. I don't know if Clayton has any tools. :laugh:

I would actually say that LaRue has more tools than Dunn. Good fielding and a good arm against power.

However, I believe there should be a 6th tool in plate patience to really cover the basis for important attributes.

redsupport
09-22-2006, 08:15 PM
Roland Roomes is a certain five tooler

bradmu
09-22-2006, 08:32 PM
One could Argue that Kearns is close to a 5 tool guy. a little low on speed and hit for avg, but very respectable.

I'd say Pre Human Growth Hormone Bonds would be a great example of all the tools at a high level. Arod is also at that level.