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icehole3
09-25-2006, 06:15 AM
The man is saying he's sorry he bet on baseball and all he gets is criticism. I watched the news last night and a reporter is asking why he would write such a thing. Pete says, "Im just trying to be as honest as I possibly can." It just seems like whatever he does isnt good enough for everybody.

RedFanAlways1966
09-25-2006, 08:58 AM
It just seems like whatever he does isnt good enough for everybody.

IF ONLY... he could do it without making a freakin' buck, then he'd get sympathy from me. Not by admitting to it in a "tell-all" book ($29.99 at your local Barnes & Noble). Not by admitting to it by writing it on a baseball and selling it for $299 on his web-site.

There is a right way and a wrong way to do things and to get sympathy. Pete does not understand the right way when it comes to the sympathy thing. He understands making a buck. Sad. Really.

RBA
09-25-2006, 09:11 AM
My wife got the book for me for $1.00. ;)

George Anderson
09-25-2006, 09:46 AM
My wife got the book for me for $1.00. ;)

Thats a dollar more than I would spend.

icehole3
09-25-2006, 01:18 PM
IF ONLY... he could do it without making a freakin' buck, then he'd get sympathy from me. Not by admitting to it in a "tell-all" book ($29.99 at your local Barnes & Noble). Not by admitting to it by writing it on a baseball and selling it for $299 on his web-site.

There is a right way and a wrong way to do things and to get sympathy. Pete does not understand the right way when it comes to the sympathy thing. He understands making a buck. Sad. Really.


If I could sale my name for a dollar I would. Nobody likes my name though.

gonelong
09-25-2006, 04:28 PM
The man is saying he's sorry he bet on baseball and all he gets is criticism. I watched the news last night and a reporter is asking why he would write such a thing. Pete says, "Im just trying to be as honest as I possibly can." It just seems like whatever he does isnt good enough for everybody.

I see quite a bit that leads me to believe he is sorry that he got caught.

I don't see anything that would lead me to believe that Pete is sorry he bet on baseball.

GL

NavyRedsFan
09-25-2006, 06:47 PM
My wife got the book for me for $1.00. ;)

Gotta love the Dollar Store. That's where I got my copy!:laugh:

SeeinRed
09-25-2006, 07:05 PM
I see quite a bit that leads me to believe he is sorry that he got caught.

I don't see anything that would lead me to believe that Pete is sorry he bet on baseball.

GL

He is a man who has went through a lot of his life thinking that the whole world was out to get him... and for the most part, he was right. Even though he put himself through that, you have to put your emotions away when you go through that. Sometimes, I wonders if he really isn't sorry, or if he doesn't know how to show that he is. Its hard to seem sincere to your enemies, and he has a lot of them. I really don't think he knows how to say he is sorry because no matter what he does, there are still going to be a lot of people who don't believe him.

What I don't like is the fact that he will probably be in the HOF one day. Not the fact that he will be in, but the fact that he may not be around to enjoy it. Come on, the man had one heck of a career. He didn't fix any games, and his bets didn't change the outcome of any games. That is the biggest part for me. Yeah, its the "Cardinal Rule of Baseball" he broke, but its a character issue that didn't transfer to the field. Look at the guys in the hall... not exactly saints. Womanizers, Racists, Alcoholics, etc. Don't confuse Rose's Baseball career with his life. They are two different things.

Fine, don't let him coach, but let him in the HOF while he can realize the award for his accomplishments. Great player, terrible guy? So what? He is a Hall of Famer in my mind.

Col_ IN Reds fan
09-25-2006, 07:17 PM
He has did this to himself. If he wants to make a buck off it then who are we to say he shouldn't.

gilpdawg
09-26-2006, 12:16 AM
Pete made his bed, now he's gotta lie in it. No one in their right mind would let him back in baseball, and he's gotta make a buck somehow. We all know he's not exactly in good financial shape. I have no sympathy for him. He's a crook, IMO. Love the player, hate the person.

Goten
09-26-2006, 01:42 AM
I'd put him in the HOF, regardless of the fact that I loathe the guy. When you take into account that there's guy's who have been proven to have thrown games ( Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker) in the HOF, Pete looks like a choir boy.

Chip R
09-26-2006, 02:22 AM
I know a lot of people are saddened by Pete's actions over the past 16 years. I've heard the word "dignified" tossed around a lot as in Pete should be more dignified. When the hell was Pete ever dignified? I don't mean this as a knock on him but he sure didn't play the game with dignity. He scrapped and dove and did whatever he could to be the best ballplayer he could be. It was not dignified but it was effective. He certainly wasn't dignified in hs personal life even back in the 70s. How can anyone expect him to act any different now? I think it is sad he isn't enshrined in the Baseball HOF but for those of you who believe he should be in because of his on the field accomplishments and in spite of what he did off the field, does it make him any less of a player in your minds and hearts because he doesn't have a plaque there?

REDREAD
09-26-2006, 02:45 AM
You know what the funniest thing is? Being banned from baseball has given Pete millions of dollars worth of publicity (and memorabilia sales). Think about some of the other record breakers.. Don't even go back to the 70's.. Think about guys like Schmidt, Yount,Molitor, Ripken, Gary Carter, Gwynn. Pete could get more for his autograph than these guys simply because of his scandals. I mean, I doubt Bench could get $300 for signing a ball today, no matter what he wrote on it.

In a way, Bud's ban set Pete up for life. I think Pete's only regret about the whole thing is that he was banned from managing/coaching.

icehole3
09-26-2006, 05:54 AM
Every man in this country has the right to earn an honest living, selling his name isnt illegal. He has no choice but to make as much money as he can to support his kids. Go Pete go.

RedsBaron
09-26-2006, 07:24 AM
You know what the funniest thing is? Being banned from baseball has given Pete millions of dollars worth of publicity (and memorabilia sales). Think about some of the other record breakers.. Don't even go back to the 70's.. Think about guys like Schmidt, Yount,Molitor, Ripken, Gary Carter, Gwynn. Pete could get more for his autograph than these guys simply because of his scandals. I mean, I doubt Bench could get $300 for signing a ball today, no matter what he wrote on it.


Bill James once wrote that the controversy over whether or not Enos Slaughter should go into the HOF was the only thing keeping the memory of Slaughter alive, and James was right. Once Slaughter (who also ran to firstbase when he was walked) was inducted into the Hall of Fame, discussion about his career largely ceased. Mind you, I'm sure Slaughter preferred the honor of HOF induction to all the debates about whether or not he should be inducted.
Similarly, Tris Speaker was probably a better player than Shoeless Joe Jackson, but the number of casual fans who have heard of Shoeless Joe far exceeds those who know about the Grey Eagle, a direct contemporary. Speaker wasn't the guy who intially appeared in Ray Kinsella's cornfield. The controversy of whether or not Jackson threw the 1919 World Series and whether or not he should be in the Hall of Fame has kept his memory alive.
Decades from now, when the greatness of Johnny Bench and Joe Morgan is a dim memory for most, Rose will probably be the best remembered member of the Big Red Machine.

mth123
09-26-2006, 07:48 AM
Bill James once wrote that the controversy over whether or not Enos Slaughter should go into the HOF was the only thing keeping the memory of Slaughter alive, and James was right. Once Slaughter (who also ran to firstbase when he was walked) was inducted into the Hall of Fame, discussion about his career largely ceased. Mind you, I'm sure Slaughter preferred the honor of HOF induction to all the debates about whether or not he should be inducted.
Similarly, Tris Speaker was probably a better player than Shoeless Joe Jackson, but the number of casual fans who have heard of Shoeless Joe far exceeds those who know about the Grey Eagle, a direct contemporary. Speaker wasn't the guy who intially appeared in Ray Kinsella's cornfield. The controversy of whether or not Jackson threw the 1919 World Series and whether or not he should be in the Hall of Fame has kept his memory alive.
Decades from now, when the greatness of Johnny Bench and Joe Morgan is a dim memory for most, Rose will probably be the best remembered member of the Big Red Machine.

Thruth to this.

I still think he belongs in the hall no matter what else he did. He played the most games, got the most hits, made the most outs and I think that should get him in. If there were a tiddlywink hall of fame, the guy who tiddlied the most winks should be in.

RedFanAlways1966
09-26-2006, 08:54 AM
Decades from now, when the greatness of Johnny Bench and Joe Morgan is a dim memory for most, Rose will probably be the best remembered member of the Big Red Machine.

Good post, RB. The above sentence is so true. Sad b/c he will be remembered for the wrong reasons. The hit-king who threw it all away b/c of a gambling sickness and the inability to get help.

It is incredible that in a society that is so forgiving to most that MLB is so hard-line in regard to these matters. I think that gambling is the worst poison for any sports game. Worse than alcoholism, drugs, etc (all are bad of course!). It can ruin a sport... plain & simple.

Pete has every right to make a buck and I do not think anyone has said that he cannot. But making a buck in certain ways does nothing but hurt any chance to get back. And we should not forget that at one time (All-Century team, Jim Grey live interview, etc) it seemed that Pete had a chance to perhaps get enshrined into the Hall. No one knows for sure except Bud Selig. Joe Morgan and Mike Schmidt seemed to think it was close to happening. But what happened? The love of money.

George Anderson
09-26-2006, 09:59 AM
Every man in this country has the right to earn an honest living, selling his name isnt illegal. He has no choice but to make as much money as he can to support his kids. Go Pete go.


So do you believe earning an "honest living" is someone lying to you for 16 years, then coming out and admitting they lied and will offer you the details once you buy the book from him??

RANDY IN INDY
09-26-2006, 12:18 PM
Pete belongs in the Hall of Fame. He doesn't belong in the Hall of Integrity. If the two are linked, somehow, they better start going over the roster again. Nobody can take anything away from what he did on the field. He didn't cheat. Didn't take steroids. He just played hard with the ability that he had. I have lost a lot of respect for Pete over the years, but I have also lost a lot of respect for MLB and the Hall of Fame. They have taken it too far with Pete and his rightful place in the Hall of Fame.

icehole3
09-26-2006, 01:20 PM
So do you believe earning an "honest living" is someone lying to you for 16 years, then coming out and admitting they lied and will offer you the details once you buy the book from him??

He's no different than your everyday used car salesman, should we lock them up, or some real estate saleswoman who tells you the house is in mint condition.

George Anderson
09-26-2006, 01:40 PM
He's no different than your everyday used car salesman, should we lock them up, or some real estate saleswoman who tells you the house is in mint condition.

If a salesman or realtor admitted they lied to you then yes at the very least you can persue financial retribution.

Back to my question is Pete earning an "honest living" by lying to us for 16 years and then asking us to PAY HIM money to read the details in a book??

redsupport
09-26-2006, 01:43 PM
THey should have asked Pete why he got Rob Murphy warming up in the bullpen five times a game, or why he felt that he was a better first baseman than Esasky

RedFanAlways1966
09-26-2006, 01:53 PM
THey should have asked Pete why he got Rob Murphy warming up in the bullpen five times a game, or why he felt that he was a better first baseman than Esasky

I'll bet that Pete wouldn't gamble on lying about those questions. They are taxing questions for sure.

:devil: ;)

icehole3
09-26-2006, 05:01 PM
If a salesman or realtor admitted they lied to you then yes at the very least you can persue financial retribution.

Back to my question is Pete earning an "honest living" by lying to us for 16 years and then asking us to PAY HIM money to read the details in a book??

He isnt the first person to tell a lie and continue earning a paycheck, remember some average Joe (or Bill) once saying "you have to know what the meaning of Is...Is" or something along those lines and then everyone (mostly his democratic buds) patting him on the back and praising him and calling him a great guy and getting paid for it. So yes "its a living" happens all the time dude.

George Anderson
09-26-2006, 05:17 PM
He isnt the first person to tell a lie and continue earning a paycheck, remember some average Joe (or Bill) once saying "you have to know what the meaning of Is...Is" or something along those lines and then everyone (mostly his democratic buds) patting him on the back and praising him and calling him a great guy and getting paid for it. So yes "its a living" happens all the time dude.

Its a living but not a "Honest" living.

RedsBaron
09-27-2006, 10:16 AM
My newspaper last Sunday had an ad for some quarters with "baseball legends" featured on one side. 20 different players were featured. There was a quarter featuring Ty Cobb, with Michigan depicted on the reverse side of the quarter, a quarter featuring Babe Ruth with New York featured on the reverse side, etc. I believe that all but one of the quarters also noted under the picture of the player the year in which in he was inducted into the Hall of Fame. The exception was the quarter featuring the only Cincinnati Red in the group: Pete Rose.
That's right---there was no Johnny Bench quarter, there was no Joe Morgan quarter, there wasn't even a Jimmy Haynes or Pokey Reese or Juan Castro quarter--but there was a Pete Rose quarter.