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Kc61
09-27-2006, 12:30 AM
Getting those base hits. Seven tonight. Now we are seeing what they did in AAA. Not sure either is an everyday guy, probably Hopper isn't, but starting to think they both could stick next year.

Are they just September wonders?

Is Freel becoming trade bait?

Against lefties, should Deno and Hopper hit first and second?

While home runs are great, isn't it nice to see the Reds hit some singles and doubles for a change?

Doesn't Hopper have a knack for seeing-eye base hits?

Really enjoyed watching them tonight.

Topcat
09-27-2006, 12:43 AM
Getting those base hits. Seven tonight. Now we are seeing what they did in AAA. Not sure either is an everyday guy, probably Hopper isn't, but starting to think they both could stick next year.

Are they just September wonders?

Is Freel becoming trade bait?

Against lefties, should Deno and Hopper hit first and second?

While home runs are great, isn't it nice to see the Reds hit some singles and doubles for a change?

Doesn't Hopper have a knack for seeing-eye base hits?

Really enjoyed watching them tonight.

Way I see it honestly is couldnt hurt to give these 2 a shot Deno in cf and use hopper as a spare OF'er heck we started with MCyackin and Griffey needs to go Honestly. He is a dh and I want him to play alot he is a class act and needs to play DH. His legacy is set and just needs an exciting ending:D . It can not be done here. In the best interest of his career let him make a deal for whom ever his agent can stir up interest from.

Ron Madden
09-27-2006, 07:47 AM
I hope Deno is in Cf on Opening Day 2007, with KGJ in RF and Dunn in LF.

I'd rather see Dunn at 1B but could live with that OF.


Sean Casey also had a knack for seeing-eye grounder base hits.

Those seeing-eye base hits have a bad habit of winking their way into double plays. ;)
I'll take my chances with hitters who drive the ball.

HotCorner
09-27-2006, 11:04 AM
The title of this thread sounds like a 70's TV show. ;)

Puffy
09-27-2006, 11:14 AM
The title of this thread sounds like a 70's TV show. ;)

I'd watch.

oneupper
09-27-2006, 11:26 AM
Are they just September wonders?


Deno has hit at every level. Very consistent. Look at his lines at Louisville and its one, two hits every night. Month by month...no big slumps.
Hopper's record isn't quite as good, added to the fact he doesn't have ANY power (no HR at AAA).

I wish Narron would have stuck with Deno after Kearns was traded, whatever the result. But he was benched after a fielding mishap and didn't get steady PT until now.



Is Freel becoming trade bait?


If he brings something of value back, he should be traded.



Against lefties, should Deno and Hopper hit first and second?

Only against lefties? Better question is: should Clayton hit anywhere but 8th.

Cyclone792
09-27-2006, 12:06 PM
Good post, oneupper.

A quick glance at Denorfia's splits, and in 41 September plate appearances we see that he's hitting .368/.400/.526, which is good for a .926 OPS. Offensively, he's been one of the Reds best hitters since he started getting some regular playing time in the last week or two.

Now, while I don't think a .926 OPS is something to expect out of Denorfia, I do think what he's shown this month is much more indicative of his offensive capabilities than what we saw earlier this season in sporadic playing time.

oneupper
09-27-2006, 12:39 PM
Good post, oneupper.

A quick glance at Denorfia's splits, and in 41 September plate appearances we see that he's hitting .368/.400/.526, which is good for a .926 OPS. Offensively, he's been one of the Reds best hitters since he started getting some regular playing time in the last week or two.

Now, while I don't think a .926 OPS is something to expect out of Denorfia, I do think what he's shown this month is much more indicative of his offensive capabilities than what we saw earlier this season in sporadic playing time.

Deno didn't hit under .324 in any single month at AAA. He hit righties (.385 )better than lefties .311. Hit well at home, hit even better away, hit well in the daytime and hit well at night. .389 when BEHIND in the count. .361 with runners on, .326 with RISP.

When the reds were slumping (which they STILL are) poor performances against RHP in DAY GAMES, on the ROAD with pitchers who could get ahead of hitters were the norm.

Too late now, but we could have used this guy.

As for Freel, his inconsistency at the plate this year has been extreme.

Sizzling hot in June and July (OPS .994 and .963), freezing cold in August and september (.601 and .613).

Not exactly what you want from a leadoff guy.

RedsManRick
09-27-2006, 12:41 PM
Given the likelihood that Aurilia opts out, I'm surprised that Freel is being seriously considered as next year's answer at 2B. I know his defense is probably average at best, but the FA options aren't realistic.

oneupper
09-27-2006, 12:47 PM
Given the likelihood that Aurilia opts out, I'm surprised that Freel is being seriously considered as next year's answer at 2B. I know his defense is probably average at best, but the FA options aren't realistic.

Won't happen under Narron.
It looks like Brendan and Brandon in the middle for 07.

BRM
09-27-2006, 01:25 PM
Won't happen under Narron.
It looks like Brendan and Brandon in the middle for 07.

That was Welsh's prediction last night.

Kc61
09-27-2006, 01:28 PM
I think folks are underselling Mr. Hopper. As a fifth outfielder and righty pinch hitter, I like him. Has some speed. Can't compare him to Casey, as someone did, since Hopper has good speed and shouldn't hit into too many DPs.

The Reds have several guys who hit for power and don't make consistent contact. Dunn, Phillips are two examples. I like the idea of Hopper and Deno (just changed the title of the TV show) to counterbalance.

RedsManRick
09-27-2006, 02:34 PM
Hopper reminds me of a slower version of Juan Pierre. He might hit for a decent avg and will make contact, but he won't walk much, and won't hit for any power at all. Maybe Alfredo Amezaga is a better comp. I agree he might be a decent 5th OF as a PR, PH, or defensive replacement, but any talk of him starting should be squashed.

oneupper
09-27-2006, 03:15 PM
Not taking anything away from Hopper, but the guy is on a hot streak. He ended AAA hot and has continued to hit after he was brought up.
Was the IL batting champ (Deno didn't have the ABs to qualify he was busy on the REDS bench) and was named Louisville MVP.

Even with all that, Deno's OPS at AAA was 124 points HIGHER than Hopper's. (.893 vs. .769).

Hopper as a Spare OF? Yep.
Deno should have the first shot at starting, though.

VR
09-27-2006, 03:58 PM
Are they just September wonders?



Deno ripped the ball 4 times last night, against a team "still in it'.....3 of them off Dontrelle Willis. That's not the stuff September call-ups are made of.

Hopper doesn't do much for me....other than rank high on the scrappy scale. If you have Freel and Deno (and possibly Harris) next year, I'd rather have a left handed outfielder w/ some power as the 5th outfielder.

Kc61
09-27-2006, 04:05 PM
Not taking anything away from Hopper, but the guy is on a hot streak. He ended AAA hot and has continued to hit after he was brought up.
Was the IL batting champ (Deno didn't have the ABs to qualify he was busy on the REDS bench) and was named Louisville MVP.

Even with all that, Deno's OPS at AAA was 124 points HIGHER than Hopper's. (.893 vs. .769).

Hopper as a Spare OF? Yep.
Deno should have the first shot at starting, though.

Hopper is not just on a hot streak. He had a great BA in AAA this year. In 2005, in AA, he hit .310 with over 450 at bats. He is a singles hitter, to be sure, but seems to have been consistently good at it for two seasons.

oneupper
09-27-2006, 05:40 PM
Hopper is not just on a hot streak. He had a great BA in AAA this year. In 2005, in AA, he hit .310 with over 450 at bats. He is a singles hitter, to be sure, but seems to have been consistently good at it for two seasons.

Hopper hit .310 with a .722 OPS in 2005.
His Career OPS is .689.

He has FIVE (count them) FIVE career home runs (one in the bigs), that's counting back to 1998.

The REDS average OPS this year is around .770.

You play a guy like Hopper everyday and if he performs AS WELL as in the minor leagues, your team OPS is going DOWN.

It would be a HUGE mistake to put a guy like this in a OF spot, particularly a corner one.

RANDY IN INDY
09-27-2006, 05:42 PM
September Kool-Aid can be quite intoxicating.

vic715
09-27-2006, 06:03 PM
Hopper on the bench next year will be ok. As A Regular I don't think so.Deno on the other hand is growing on me and I'm really starting to think this guy can play everyday.I hope he gets his chance.

goreds2
09-28-2006, 07:56 PM
Narron just said on the pregame show that Deno and Hopper are probably going to play WINTER BALL.

This is very cool. I remember in the 70's when Concepcion etc. would play.

Falls City Beer
09-28-2006, 07:58 PM
Good lord, this team is an offensive crevasse. Promote Bruce, I say.

Always Red
09-28-2006, 08:04 PM
Cody Ross, a guy that can give you instant pop, would have been a much better 5th OF/RHPH off the bench than Hopper. I'm still not sure why Kriv got him and then gave him away...

I'm glad for Hopper that he's had this chance to play MLB. But if he's on the team next year, it's an indication of the weakness of our OF depth.

oneupper
09-28-2006, 08:06 PM
Narron just said on the pregame show that Deno and Hopper are probably going to play WINTER BALL.

This is very cool. I remember in the 70's when Concepcion etc. would play.

I wonder where. I'd love to see Deno play in Venezuela for the La Guaira team (Olmedo's team).

Rob Stratton will probably return to La Guaira. He has nice following down there.