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redsupport
09-27-2006, 07:03 PM
Kent Tekulve
Leon Durham'Paul Blair
Camilio Pascual
Pedro Ramos
Jerry Reuss
Jeff Reardon
Frank Viola

writerdan33
09-27-2006, 08:27 PM
Christy Matthewson, literally at the end. One game, the last of his career, at the end of 1916.

He lost, by the way. Complete game, gave up eight earned runs.

Joseph
09-27-2006, 08:32 PM
Almost Babe Ruth and almost Rollie Fingers.

If my brain is working.

I guess if Leon Durham counts as great, then we can add Terry Pendleton and maybe Dante Bichette.

RedsManRick
09-27-2006, 08:33 PM
Ken Gri... err...

Caseyfan21
09-27-2006, 10:16 PM
Christy Matthewson, literally at the end. One game, the last of his career, at the end of 1916.

He lost, by the way. Complete game, gave up eight earned runs.

This was exactly who I thought of when I read the thread topic.

Joseph
09-27-2006, 11:08 PM
Ken Gri... err...

Don't worry, I thought it too. :)

BigREDSfaninKY
09-27-2006, 11:47 PM
Terry Pendleton is a onetime Red?

dougflynn23
09-28-2006, 12:54 AM
:) There have been several, but Paul Blair comes to mind. He could still play a mean CF in 1979, but he had lost all ability to throw and hit. He and Cesar Geronimo were both brutal at the plate in 1979, clearing the path for Dave Collins to play. I was always a Blair fan.

crazybob60
09-28-2006, 02:05 AM
Yes, it does get tough here....I had to look up some of the stats on some of the guys, just to see if their last game was with the Reds and also just to see when their careers ended and with whom, some were very surprising....

Most surprising is Lee Smith I think.

1996 -- Vince Coleman (played in 6 games for Tigers in 1997)
1996 -- Kevin Mitchell (played for Red Sox, Indians, and A's in parts of 1996, 1997, & 1998)
1996 -- Lee Smith (played for the Expos in 1997 and only the tail end of 1996 with the Reds.)
1997 -- Terry Pendleton (played for the Royals in 1998)
1999 -- Juan Guzman (played for the Devil Rays in 2000 and never was the same)
2000 -- Dante Bichette (played for the Red Sox in part of 2000 and 2001)
and lest we forget....
2001 and many other parts of seasons...
Deion Sanders

Some other names I would like to throw out there, although they still had more than one to two seasons left in them...
Mike Morgan
Tony Fernandez
Benito Santiago
Frank Viola
Juan Samuel
John Vander Wal

Can Jimmy Haynes and Todd Van Poppel make the list?

As you can tell I am a junkie with weird stats such as this...love em!!!

RedsBaron
09-28-2006, 02:59 AM
Christy Matthewson, literally at the end. One game, the last of his career, at the end of 1916.

He lost, by the way. Complete game, gave up eight earned runs.
Actually, while Matty did give up 8 earned runs in a complete game effort, he didn't lose. He was the winning pitcher, posting his only win in a Reds uniform, to go with the 372 games he won as a New York Giant.
Matty's final game was billed as a pitching duel beween Mathewson and his great rival, Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown, but neither one of those great future Hall of Fame pitchers had much left in the tank. Matty did win, though.

redsmetz
09-28-2006, 06:47 AM
Joe Black and Don Newcombe

RedsBaron
09-28-2006, 07:43 AM
Jack Morris was with the Reds in the spring training of 1995, but retired before the season began.

dman
09-28-2006, 09:29 AM
Does Jose Rijo count since after the 1990 World Series his arm pretty much gave out on him

redsmetz
09-28-2006, 09:36 AM
Does Jose Rijo count since after the 1990 World Series his arm pretty much gave out on him

But Rijo's heydays were with the Reds.

writerdan33
09-28-2006, 09:44 AM
Actually, while Matty did give up 8 earned runs in a complete game effort, he didn't lose. He was the winning pitcher, posting his only win in a Reds uniform, to go with the 372 games he won as a New York Giant.
Matty's final game was billed as a pitching duel beween Mathewson and his great rival, Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown, but neither one of those great future Hall of Fame pitchers had much left in the tank. Matty did win, though.

You're right. I glanced at the wrong column on Baseball Almanac.

Eight runs and gets a win. Sounds like he could fit in today with those numbers...:beerme:

RedsBaron
09-28-2006, 09:50 AM
You're right. I glanced at the wrong column on Baseball Almanac.

Eight runs and gets a win. Sounds like he could fit in today with those numbers...:beerme:

The Reds trade of Mathewson to the Giants in 1900 for Amos Rusie was mentioned this morning on ESPN as one of the worst trades of all time. It was noted that Mathewson, by winning one game for the Reds in 1916 after having won 372 for the Giants, still won more games for the Reds than did Rusie.

goreds2
09-28-2006, 10:09 AM
He was not a GREAT player:

Bob Bailey (76-77 Reds)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bailebo01.shtml

Johnny Footstool
09-28-2006, 10:36 AM
Does Jose Rijo count since after the 1990 World Series his arm pretty much gave out on him

Huh?

dfs
09-28-2006, 11:24 AM
I'm really shocked that no one has posted the obvious "bestest" response.

P*t* R*s*.

Great player. Came to the reds at the end.

registerthis
09-28-2006, 11:25 AM
Lee Smith

Joseph
09-28-2006, 11:27 AM
I'm really shocked that no one has posted the obvious "bestest" response.

P*t* R*s*.

Great player. Came to the reds at the end.

He was here at the beginning and most of the middle too though.

westofyou
09-28-2006, 11:54 AM
Christy Matthewson, literally at the end. One game, the last of his career, at the end of 1916.

He lost, by the way. Complete game, gave up eight earned runs.

Concerning Three Finger Brown in that game, IIRC that was HIS last game as well. Both teams were under .500 and to enrich the gate they arranged the matchup, it got some better then average advertising as well.

Famous guys who played for the Reds, but often not famously.

Al Simmons
Kiki Cuyler
Babe Herman (got a bonus to hustle)
Chick Hafey
Hal Chase
Buck Ewing
Charles Comiskey
Arlie Lathem
Hoss Radbourne
Pete Browning
Wally Pipp
Billy Martin
Ryne Duran
Leo Durocher

redsupport
09-28-2006, 11:58 AM
Al Ferrera

dabvu2498
09-28-2006, 12:04 PM
Manny Trillo

Hoosier Red
09-28-2006, 01:50 PM
The Reds trade of Mathewson to the Giants in 1900 for Amos Rusie was mentioned this morning on ESPN as one of the worst trades of all time. It was noted that Mathewson, by winning one game for the Reds in 1916 after having won 372 for the Giants, still won more games for the Reds than did Rusie.
Better historians can correct me if I'm wrong, but was Garry Herrman the owner for the Reds and Giants at the time, and didn't he basically just use the Reds as a farm club for the Giants?

westofyou
09-28-2006, 01:57 PM
Better historians can correct me if I'm wrong, but was Garry Herrman the owner for the Reds and Giants at the time, and didn't he basically just use the Reds as a farm club for the Giants?
The Reds owner wanted to get into the the NYC Market so he cut a deal with the Giants owner to pick up Matty for the $150 waiver price and then trade him to the Giants for a guy that had not pitched in 2 years.

The Giants owner owned a 2k option on Mathewson if he kept him, so they worked the deal with the Reds to get him back for a mere pittance. Eventually The Reds owner did move on to the Gianst and then Herrmann and the Flieschmens took over.

The Reds did most of their trading in the early part of the 20th century with the Giants and Cardinals. They feuded with the Pirates and didn't trade much with the Cubs (who were owned by Cincinnati native who was part of the Taft family)

The Reds regularly sent guys to NYC, Donlin, Seymour, Beschler, Groh and Herzog to name a few.

redsupport
09-28-2006, 02:01 PM
what do you think of the aurelio monteagudo for dennis ribant trade, west of you, did that make it ontoyour radar screen

westofyou
09-28-2006, 02:26 PM
what do you think of the aurelio monteagudo for dennis ribant trade, west of you, did that make it ontoyour radar screen
Ribant only because the Tigers were able to get Don McMahon for him in 1968, McMahon if you all remember had the 1973 baseball card (Giants) where he had the odd pink eye going in his pupils.

redsupport
09-28-2006, 03:03 PM
ribant was actually a solid pitcher for the mets in the mid sixties pre-Seaver, it was quite lugubrious that Monteagudonever donned the Reds uniform, shuttled in the off season like JOn Wetteland

Heath
09-28-2006, 03:11 PM
No mention of Julian Javier, the 1972 version of Tony Womack?

redsupport
09-28-2006, 03:13 PM
I see you Javier and raise you ted Uhlaender

Always Red
09-28-2006, 10:31 PM
One of the first great modern all around athletes, Jim Thorpe (who was not a great baseball player) was purchased by the Reds from the New York Giants in April of 1917. After hitting .247 for the Reds, he was given back to the Giants in August of the same year, and actually wound up appearing in the 1917 World Series, albeit briefly, for the Giants.

Heath
09-29-2006, 10:24 AM
I see you Javier and raise you ted Uhlaender

I'll call and re-raise you Ted Abernathy. He was 35 when he came to Cincinnati in '67.

Z-Fly
09-29-2006, 01:55 PM
Almost Babe Ruth and almost Rollie Fingers.

If my brain is working.

I guess if Leon Durham counts as great, then we can add Terry Pendleton and maybe Dante Bichette.

Babe Ruth :eek: I never heard about this. Please explain!

redsupport
09-29-2006, 02:20 PM
Of course Don Nottebart was the greatest

klw
09-29-2006, 02:49 PM
Famous guys who played for the Reds, but often not famously.

Al Simmons
Kiki Cuyler
Babe Herman (got a bonus to hustle)
Chick Hafey
Hal Chase
Buck Ewing
Charles Comiskey
Arlie Lathem
Hoss Radbourne
Pete Browning
Wally Pipp
Billy Martin
Ryne Duran
Leo Durocher

Anyone know who replaced Pipp in 1928 with the Reds? Was he "Pipped" twice. He actually had some nice career numbers.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/alltime/playercard?playerId=10993&type=0

westofyou
09-29-2006, 02:51 PM
Anyone know who replaced Pipp in 1928 with the Reds? Was he "Pipped" twice. He actually had some nice career numbers.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/alltime/playercard?playerId=10993&type=0

George Kelly, traded for Edd Roush

minus5
09-29-2006, 02:52 PM
Babe Ruth :eek: I never heard about this. Please explain!

The other can (and will) correct me if I'm wrong but from what I remembered reading was that Ruth's contract was offered to Cincinnati before it was offered to the Yankees but the Red's owner (I believe it was Carl Lindner at the time ;) ) did not want to take on the contract. Then in 1933 Ruth was offered the manager's position in Cincinnati but Ruppert wouldn't let him out of his contract to take the position.

camisadelgolf
09-29-2006, 06:15 PM
Does Joey Hamilton belong on the list? Pete Harnisch? Kent Mercker? Rheal Cormier?