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New Fever
09-28-2006, 01:35 PM
Jay Bruce #1, Johnny Cueto #12, no Travis Wood kind of suprising.

dougdirt
09-28-2006, 01:50 PM
I am a little surprised by this, due to the amount of love Justin Upton gets at times from BA. I am also surprised with the missing Travis Wood.

Red Leader
09-28-2006, 01:52 PM
Travis Wood definately deserves mention on that list.

New Fever
09-28-2006, 01:55 PM
In the chat they said that he did come close but it is a very deep league.

Outshined_One
09-28-2006, 03:10 PM
I am a little surprised by this, due to the amount of love Justin Upton gets at times from BA.

.263/.343/.413 with 12 HRs, 15/7 SB/CS, and a 96/55 K/BB is a little disappointing, given his supposedly incredible tools.

dougdirt
09-28-2006, 03:15 PM
It is disappointing, but he was the unanimous top player in the draft last year, has more "tools" than anyone and ranked preseason top 10 for nearly everyone. Just a little surprised that he got the nod thats all....not that I dont think he deserves it, I would put him ahead of Upton as well, but most places like BA rely heavily on projection and tools

edabbs44
09-28-2006, 04:12 PM
It is disappointing, but he was the unanimous top player in the draft last year, has more "tools" than anyone and ranked preseason top 10 for nearly everyone. Just a little surprised that he got the nod thats all....not that I dont think he deserves it, I would put him ahead of Upton as well, but most places like BA rely heavily on projection and tools

Isn't that the job of BA? To project the futures of prospects? If not, Denorfia would be ranked ahead of Upton as well...

dougdirt
09-28-2006, 06:53 PM
Well yes, you do need to rely on tools and projections, but current ability and stats need to come into play as well. I can bet you if Drew Stubbs went off for a .315/.400/.600 line in the Pioneer League, he would have been higher than the #7 prospect in the league. Instead he hit .252.

jmcclain19
09-28-2006, 09:51 PM
I wonder if Bruce is going to be a favorite of the ladies. Maybe the Redszone female contingent can answer that better than I.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/images/jbruce06428309da.jpg

edabbs44
09-28-2006, 10:53 PM
Well yes, you do need to rely on tools and projections, but current ability and stats need to come into play as well. I can bet you if Drew Stubbs went off for a .315/.400/.600 line in the Pioneer League, he would have been higher than the #7 prospect in the league. Instead he hit .252.

Yeah, but if it went on pure current stats and performance Stubbs would be lucky to be on the list.

Aronchis
09-28-2006, 11:02 PM
Bruce looks like a momma's boy.

Superdude
09-28-2006, 11:46 PM
He looks like a beefier version of Clay Aiken. I don't know if the ladies are into that or not JM.

Superdude
09-29-2006, 12:04 AM
Talk about scorching the Wood bandwagon for no apparent reason. :confused: I know he had some struggles down the stretch, but how the crap does that drop him below Pedro Ciriaco?! How does 45 errors and a .628OPS crack the top 20?

dougdirt
09-29-2006, 12:40 AM
Talk about scorching the Wood bandwagon for no apparent reason. :confused: I know he had some struggles down the stretch, but how the crap does that drop him below Pedro Ciriaco?! How does 45 errors and a .628OPS crack the top 20?

Well he is 20, weighs 150 pounds and plays SS. One the bright side he is from the same city that Alfonso Soriano and Sammy Sosa are from, so maybe they think its something in the water.....?

Makes no sense at all.

mbgrayson
09-29-2006, 12:56 AM
From the BA chat on the Midwest League:

"Wood would have been in the #26-30 range, in part because it's a deep league. His stuff isn't really comparable to McGee's, though. Wood does have that nifty changeup, the best in the league, but his fastball was 87-91 (down from the consistent low 90s he showed as a high school senior) and his curveball was mediocre. The potential is there, sure, but in terms of lefties, Jacob McGee is well ahead of him."

Aronchis
09-29-2006, 09:50 AM
BA has always had a problem with Travis Wood, like he was the devil:devil:

FIRELEFT
09-29-2006, 11:07 AM
BA has always had a problem with Travis Wood, like he was the devil:devil:
They do have some kind of Problem with T.
Who cares. His development is coming along nicely and he loves to prove people wrong a little more fuel for the freak.:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

Luvsbaseball
09-29-2006, 12:22 PM
BA has always had a problem with Travis Wood, like he was the devil:devil:

A little history on this subject. When Travis was 16 he Played in the Area Code games and went to the World Wood Bat Tourny and played for the Mid West Prospect team. (The coaches were scouts from the Chicago White Sox). Then the next year he played with the same team for the Area Code games. That's when BASEBALL AMERICA's team called and asked him to play with them for the World Wood Bat Tourny. but he decided to play with the team he had played with for 2 YEARS. Needless to say they were NOT HAPPY... I hate that for Travis but... Maybe that's why there is NO LOVE for him... Who knows...:evil:

lollipopcurve
09-29-2006, 12:51 PM
A little history on this subject. When Travis was 16 he Played in the Area Code games and went to the World Wood Bat Tourny and played for the Mid West Prospect team. (The coaches were scouts from the Chicago White Sox). Then the next year he played with the same team for the Area Code games. That's when BASEBALL AMERICA's team called and asked him to play with them for the World Wood Bat Tourny. but he decided to play with the team he had played with for 2 YEARS. Needless to say they were NOT HAPPY... I hate that for Travis but... Maybe that's why there is NO LOVE for him... Who knows...

Interesting. Maybe it helps explain why BA's pre-draft evaluation of TW in 05 was so off-base? They called him a fastball-only, high-effort pitcher with no polished secondary pitches (I think there zero mention of his changeup).

Rooting hard for Travis to make BA's rankings look stupid.

Doc. Scott
09-29-2006, 01:18 PM
From the BA chat on the Midwest League:

"Wood would have been in the #26-30 range, in part because it's a deep league. His stuff isn't really comparable to McGee's, though. Wood does have that nifty changeup, the best in the league, but his fastball was 87-91 (down from the consistent low 90s he showed as a high school senior) and his curveball was mediocre. The potential is there, sure, but in terms of lefties, Jacob McGee is well ahead of him."

Hmmmm... strangely consistent with the velocity reports during spring training that I got and posted here. Of course, some of you started an argument about it.

FIRELEFT
09-29-2006, 01:40 PM
Hmmmm... strangely consistent with the velocity reports during spring training that I got and posted here. Of course, some of you started an argument about it.

Velocity was down from last year. I think that had to do with some of the changes that were made in his delivery. I believe that the velocity will come back up next year if he does the work in the off season and I believe he will.
Also location and development of his curve ball were the priorities of the organization.

Superdude
09-29-2006, 08:56 PM
Velocity was down from last year. I think that had to do with some of the changes that were made in his delivery.

I was just gonna post that. His delivery changed quite a bit from his draft video to when he pitched in Dayton this year. He's just letting it fly in his draft video, which produced a 91-94MPH fastball. When I saw him this year, his delivery was much more deliberate and controlled, and apparently it hacked off quite a bit of velocity. I guess we'll see what happens next year.

Doc. Scott
09-30-2006, 03:10 AM
Velocity was down from last year. I think that had to do with some of the changes that were made in his delivery. I believe that the velocity will come back up next year if he does the work in the off season and I believe he will.
Also location and development of his curve ball were the priorities of the organization.

I'm betting Travis will gain velocity as he finishes growing, etc. For right now, though, I'm impressed with the way Travis held up this season against older competition in his first "full-season" year. He absorbed a couple of beatings later on in the year and bounced right back.

rah-ri
10-02-2006, 02:01 AM
Shhhhhhh....we don't want the OTHER teams to hear. He only allowed 1 run in his last three games, the 1 run was off of 1 hit (and they lost that game btw).

Re: Jay Bruce....Clay Aiken? RU serious? Have you seen him in person ever? LMAO????:laugh: