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RedsManRick
10-01-2006, 01:42 PM
Yes, I know Junior has his 10-5 rights, but let's assume for a minute that he's willing to waive them after the Reds tell him he won't be in CF in 2007. You call up Kenny Williams (CWS) and there's an offer on the table of Junior, cash, & a decent pitching prospect (or Belisle/Claussen/Majewski type) for Freddy Garcia & Brian Anderson. Garcia will be in the last year of his deal in 2007 at 10 Million. Do you do it? What if it was Javier Vazquez? Can the Reds afford to lose a 30 HR bat?

fearofpopvol1
10-01-2006, 01:45 PM
White Sox wouldn't make that trade. Regardless if Garcia is in the last year of his contract, they could do better than that. Vasquez wouldn't be an option either.

There just isn't enough of an upside to Griffey to validate making that trade.

mth123
10-01-2006, 01:56 PM
Tough call. If I had to pay so much of Griffey's deal that I can't go out on the market and get a power guy for RF then I probably keep Griffey and sign a mid-level pitcher with the money (I know I would probably have to overpay). If Griffey won't play RF, then I make the deal before keeping him in CF. I'd probably flip Garcia for prospects in that case because w/o more power there is no way to compete in 2007. I think they need more power even with Griffey.

RedsManRick
10-01-2006, 01:58 PM
White Sox have said that McCarthy will be in the rotation next season. Buerhle has a team option and is coming off a down year, but most people believe it will be picked up. That leaves them:

Buerhle
Contreras
Garland
Garcia
Vazquez
McCarthy

By taking Buerhle's option, that makes the able (and also need to) trade one of Contreras, Garcia, Vazquez. Contreras is the best of the three and I don't think he'd be shopped. The question is what trades are out there that would give the Sox both a solid, proven, offensive guy (even if he's not the #3 hitter he has been) and a bullpen arm. The Sox would then have a monster middle of the lineup (Konerko, Thome, Dye, Junior) and retain a solid rotation. Bullpen and OF is really their only needs, so unless Williams goes for prospects, it seems like a decent fit.

mth123
10-01-2006, 02:28 PM
White Sox have said that McCarthy will be in the rotation next season. Buerhle has a team option and is coming off a down year, but most people believe it will be picked up. That leaves them:

Buerhle
Contreras
Garland
Garcia
Vazquez
McCarthy

By taking Buerhle's option, that makes the able (and also need to) trade one of Contreras, Garcia, Vazquez. Contreras is the best of the three and I don't think he'd be shopped. The question is what trades are out there that would give the Sox both a solid, proven, offensive guy (even if he's not the #3 hitter he has been) and a bullpen arm. The Sox would then have a monster middle of the lineup (Konerko, Thome, Dye, Junior) and retain a solid rotation. Bullpen and OF is really their only needs, so unless Williams goes for prospects, it seems like a decent fit.

I agree with the premise that the Sox may trade a starter. They may even have interest in Griffey if he could be persuaded to play LF and bat 6th or so (Podsednick moves to CF, but IIRC he isn't highly regarded there). But with the middle of the order you mention Thome, Konerko, and Dye to go with complimentary players like Crede, Pierczynski and Iguchi, I can't see them having interest in him as a CF. They really don't need his bat (which is in decline anyway). The Reds on the other hand really need his power because there suddenly is very little power that can be counted upon in Cincinnati. The Reds would probably have better luck trading Freel and say Majewski and a lower level prospect (Pelland?) for Garcia, which I would do if I were Cincy. Still have to get Griffey to move for this to work, then Deno goes to CF I guess and push for some power at 2B.

Kc61
10-01-2006, 02:50 PM
I just heard Krivsky on radio say the team's biggest need is to improve defense and avoid unearned runs. My own view is that it's still pitching. I don't think the Reds would think twice if they could trade Griff for pitching/defense.

I think fans are going to have to get used to a team will less power. That's Krivsky's mantra. Pitching, defense, timely hitting. With a limited budget, more money is going to go to pitching and defense and less to power.

It sounded to me like Krivsky wants to keep Phillips at second, get a good defensive shortstop, and perhaps have a speedier outfield (he hesitated to answer whether Griff and Dun will be back). If the right deal comes along, this GM won't worry about giving up power.

mth123
10-01-2006, 03:09 PM
I just heard Krivsky on radio say the team's biggest need is to improve defense and avoid unearned runs. My own view is that it's still pitching. I don't think the Reds would think twice if they could trade Griff for pitching/defense.

I think fans are going to have to get used to a team will less power. That's Krivsky's mantra. Pitching, defense, timely hitting. With a limited budget, more money is going to go to pitching and defense and less to power.

It sounded to me like Krivsky wants to keep Phillips at second, get a good defensive shortstop, and perhaps have a speedier outfield (he hesitated to answer whether Griff and Dun will be back). If the right deal comes along, this GM won't worry about giving up power.


Didn't hear this interview, but I agree that the team needs more defense. I just want to get a good defender who can hit. When I look at the list of free agent SS, the only guy I like is Lugo. I fear Castro at SS in 2007.

paulrichjr
10-02-2006, 11:58 AM
Didn't hear this interview, but I agree that the team needs more defense. I just want to get a good defender who can hit. When I look at the list of free agent SS, the only guy I like is Lugo. I fear Castro at SS in 2007.

When I look at all free agents I fear us signing one of them. There isn't much out there that I want or that I think that we have a shot at getting. Trades will be what Krivs does over this winter to try and improve the team OR players that are released before going to arbitration.

There is going to be a huge amount of money spent this offseason. It wouldn't surprise me to see this be the wildest ever. A lot of teams have a lot of money...

Joseph
10-02-2006, 12:31 PM
Didn't they supposedly offer Garland for him early in the season?

Would anyone do that deal now?

mth123
10-02-2006, 08:41 PM
When I look at all free agents I fear us signing one of them. There isn't much out there that I want or that I think that we have a shot at getting. Trades will be what Krivs does over this winter to try and improve the team OR players that are released before going to arbitration.

There is going to be a huge amount of money spent this offseason. It wouldn't surprise me to see this be the wildest ever. A lot of teams have a lot of money...

I tend to agree that this is a bad and probably overpriced crop. They'll surely cost the Reds more than a team with a better reputation. The big problem is that the Reds can't really trade for something w/o making a hole somewhere else.

TC81190
10-02-2006, 08:53 PM
I just heard Krivsky on radio say the team's biggest need is to improve defense and avoid unearned runs. My own view is that it's still pitching. I don't think the Reds would think twice if they could trade Griff for pitching/defense.

I think fans are going to have to get used to a team will less power. That's Krivsky's mantra. Pitching, defense, timely hitting. With a limited budget, more money is going to go to pitching and defense and less to power.

It sounded to me like Krivsky wants to keep Phillips at second, get a good defensive shortstop, and perhaps have a speedier outfield (he hesitated to answer whether Griff and Dun will be back). If the right deal comes along, this GM won't worry about giving up power.


And by timely hitting, Wayne actually means scrappy veteran types. Great.