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M2
10-03-2006, 01:50 PM
Decided to telecommute today so I could watch some of the games.

Johan Santana vs. Barry Zito is an awfully fun matchup to watch.

Chip R
10-03-2006, 01:52 PM
OAK up 2-0 in the 3rd. HR by Thomas, double by Scutaro. If Santana doesn't win at home, it isn't looking good for the Twinkies. Where's Juan Castro when you need him? ;)

Reds Fanatic
10-03-2006, 01:53 PM
Zito through 3 on only 32 pitches. Minnesota so far with only one baserunner on a leadoff walk.

NJReds
10-03-2006, 01:53 PM
Santana has thrown 55 pitches through 3 innings; Zito has thrown 33.

2-0 A's after 3.

Matt700wlw
10-03-2006, 02:16 PM
Rondell White breaks up the Barry Zito no-hitter in the 5th inning

dabvu2498
10-03-2006, 02:17 PM
Phil Nevin DHing for the Twinkies.

flyer85
10-03-2006, 02:18 PM
Twins have turned into first strike out machines against a pitcher who has had serious control issues over the course of the season.

M2
10-03-2006, 02:22 PM
Twins have turned into first strike out machines against a pitcher who has had serious control issues over the course of the season.

Zito can chew up a lineup if it isn't willing to take pitches.

Ltlabner
10-03-2006, 02:25 PM
Twins have turned into first strike out machines against a pitcher who has had serious control issues over the course of the season.

How can this be...I thought they cured all their ills when they unloaded all those dreaded scrappy vets earlier in the season. :evil:

M2
10-03-2006, 02:29 PM
What's the playoff record for pop outs in a single game? The Twins would seem to be well on their way to it.

flyer85
10-03-2006, 02:31 PM
How can this be...I thought they cured all their ills when they unloaded all those dreaded scrappy vets earlier in the season. :evil:but for the playoffs they now have the likes of Punto, Hunter, White and Nevin out there.

This team was basically carried by three players(Mauer, Cuddyer and Morneau).

M2
10-03-2006, 02:32 PM
Cuddyer with a chance to get the Twins back in the game. Sweet strike one by Zito.

And Cuddyer grounds out after Zito jams him.

vaticanplum
10-03-2006, 02:34 PM
I think Barry Zito may be the world's most perfect person.

dabvu2498
10-03-2006, 02:39 PM
Error on Bartlett. Castro would have made that play.

M2
10-03-2006, 02:40 PM
Error on Bartlett. Castro would have made that play.

It's true. That was a Castro special.

BRM
10-03-2006, 02:41 PM
It's true. That was a Castro special.

Must have been hit right at him.

BRM
10-03-2006, 02:43 PM
A's have the bases loaded with no one out in the 7th.

M2
10-03-2006, 02:43 PM
Must have been hit right at him.

Yep. Didn't have to move his feet.

dabvu2498
10-03-2006, 02:44 PM
A's have the bases loaded with no one out in the 7th.

There's one out. Peyton flew out.

M2
10-03-2006, 02:47 PM
Alert: Kind words about Joe Morgan to follow

He's been a lot of fun to listen to during this game.

vaticanplum
10-03-2006, 02:48 PM
Alert: Kind words about Joe Morgan to follow

He's been a lot of fun to listen to during this game.

Oh, Joe Morgan is always "fun".

BRM
10-03-2006, 02:49 PM
There's one out. Peyton flew out.

My mistake. Santana pitches out of the jam. Still 2-0 going to the bottom of the 7th.

NJReds
10-03-2006, 02:50 PM
Hope Omar Minaya is watching this game. He should keep it in mind when Steve Traschel and John Maine are starting games 3 and 4 for him.

Did Milledge, who's already alienated himself from teammates, even make the postseason roster?

M2
10-03-2006, 02:51 PM
Santana wiggles out of it on a 3-2 count. I love watching him pitch.

Big half inning coming up for Zito. The Twins might feel some momentum, the crowd's going to be crazy.

M2
10-03-2006, 02:54 PM
Hope Omar Minaya is watching this game. He should keep it in mind when Steve Traschel and John Maine are starting games 3 and 4 for him.

Did Milledge, who's already alienated himself from teammates, even make the postseason roster?

Milledge isn't on the current roster. To be honest, with Shawn Green around, he isn't all that necessary.

And it will be interesting to see who starts for the Mets now that El Duque is getting an MRI for what they think is a torn calf.

vaticanplum
10-03-2006, 02:56 PM
Am I right, eighth inning now, both starters still in?

NJReds
10-03-2006, 02:57 PM
Milledge isn't on the current roster. To be honest, with Shawn Green around, he isn't all that necessary.

And it will be interesting to see who starts for the Mets now that El Duque is getting an MRI for what they think is a torn calf.

The only reason to keep Milledge around would've been to PH (I'm not sure the Mets have any RH pinch hitters worth noting except Julio Franco) and to pinch run.

flyer85
10-03-2006, 02:57 PM
With Santana going this would really seem to be a must game for the Twins.

Red Leader
10-03-2006, 02:58 PM
What's with the Mets, Latin pitchers who have a lot of playoff experience and torn calf muscles? Geez.

M2
10-03-2006, 03:00 PM
Nick Punto's having the defensive inning of his life.

BuckeyeRedleg
10-03-2006, 03:01 PM
Santana wiggles out of it on a 3-2 count. I love watching him pitch.

I agree. He is a joy to watch. I would love for the Reds to have someone this dominant. Maybe Homer? Anyway, I truly enjoy these pitching duels. It's what baseball is about and probably why Joe Morgan is having such a good day.

flyer85
10-03-2006, 03:01 PM
In the NL you really have to like the Padres and Dodgers going forward with decent starting pitching and stellar bullpens.

flyer85
10-03-2006, 03:08 PM
if this game goes to the pens with a tie score a huge advantage goes to the Twins. I am pretty sure not a single Reds reliever would have made the Twins post-season roster.

BRM
10-03-2006, 03:09 PM
if this game goes to the pens with a tie score a huge advantage goes to the Twins. I am pretty sure not a single Reds reliever would have made the Twins post-season roster.

Ah c'mon. Cormier and Majewski would have been locks.

vaticanplum
10-03-2006, 03:09 PM
Out of curiosity, when was the last time that two opposing pitchers had complete games in the playoffs?

(I'm sure I just jinxed this.)

Red Leader
10-03-2006, 03:09 PM
I'm just hoping the A's don't sweep so I can see Harden pitch Game 4.

Falls City Beer
10-03-2006, 03:10 PM
I'm sure L. Castillo was Krivsky's idea. :p:

flyer85
10-03-2006, 03:11 PM
Ah c'mon. Cormier and Majewski would have been locks.I didn't realize we were discussing the AAA playoffs. :D

Red Leader
10-03-2006, 03:11 PM
Out of curiosity, when was the last time that two opposing pitchers had complete games in the playoffs?

(I'm sure I just jinxed this.)

I think the year that Curt Schilling and Randy Johnson took the D-Backs to the World Series. I believe either Schilling or Johnson (I think it was Schilling) had a complete game in the NLDS and the opposing pitcher (I think it was Matt Morris) also threw a complete (although 8 IP) game. There were a lot of good pitching performances in that ARI-STL series if memory serves.

Matt700wlw
10-03-2006, 03:12 PM
Watching quality pitching teamed with quality defense is something I would love to get used to...

dabvu2498
10-03-2006, 03:12 PM
Zito is getting paid more and more with each pitch in this game.

Reds Fanatic
10-03-2006, 03:12 PM
Crain relieves Santana in the 9th.

Matt700wlw
10-03-2006, 03:14 PM
Big hurt is hurtin' the Twins today.

vaticanplum
10-03-2006, 03:14 PM
I think the year that Curt Schilling and Randy Johnson took the D-Backs to the World Series. I believe either Schilling or Johnson (I think it was Schilling) had a complete game in the NLDS and the opposing pitcher (I think it was Matt Morris) also threw a complete (although 8 IP) game. There were a lot of good pitching performances in that ARI-STL series if memory serves.

Just looked it up...Schilling did face Matt Morris in Games 1 and 5, but it looks like St. Louis went to the bullpen both times.

Well, I will now be obsessed with finding this out.

NJReds
10-03-2006, 03:15 PM
I was surprised Castillo didn't bunt w/0 out and a man on second.

vaticanplum
10-03-2006, 03:18 PM
Frank Thomas, wow!

flyer85
10-03-2006, 03:21 PM
interesting to see the Pads starting Branyan at 3rd and Blum at SS. I guess defense isn't everything to everybody.

BRM
10-03-2006, 03:25 PM
Going to the bottom of the 9th, A's up 3-1.

Matt700wlw
10-03-2006, 03:27 PM
Huston Street....the coolest name in baseball

M2
10-03-2006, 03:28 PM
The Twins really can't pay that ceiling enough. It's a big-time postseason performer.

Red Leader
10-03-2006, 03:29 PM
Just looked it up...Schilling did face Matt Morris in Games 1 and 5, but it looks like St. Louis went to the bullpen both times.

Well, I will now be obsessed with finding this out.

I swore in game 5, Morris went the distance, but I just looked it up, too and he didn't. Hmmm.

I don't know when the last playoff game was where both pitchers threw a complete game. I'd be interested to hear when it happened and how the person found the information, though.

BRM
10-03-2006, 03:30 PM
A's win 3-2.

Cyclone792
10-03-2006, 03:30 PM
White flies out to Kotsay in center to end the game. A's win 3-2, and they lead the series 1-0.

Meanwhile that Frank Thomas signing continues to look better and better.

flyer85
10-03-2006, 03:31 PM
I am rooting for the As this post-season.

BRM
10-03-2006, 03:31 PM
I am rooting for the As this post-season.

Same here.

flyer85
10-03-2006, 03:32 PM
White flies out to Kotsay in center to end the game. A's win 3-2, and they lead the series 1-0.

Meanwhile that Frank Thomas signing continues to look better and better.I think most believed he could still hit, they just didn't believe he could stay healthy.

vaticanplum
10-03-2006, 03:32 PM
I swore in game 5, Morris went the distance, but I just looked it up, too and he didn't. Hmmm.

I don't know when the last playoff game was where both pitchers threw a complete game. I'd be interested to hear when it happened and how the person found the information, though.

The only thing to do may be to slog through baseball reference. Sounds like a job for someone who's unemployed...folks, we are in luck!

Red Leader
10-03-2006, 03:33 PM
I found one instance where it did happen. Don't know if it's the last, though.

Game 4

October 10, 1981 at Dodger Stadium


PITCHING
Houston Astros IP H R ER BB SO HR
Ruhle L(0-1) 8 4 2 2 2 1 1
Los Angeles Dodgers IP H R ER BB SO HR
Valenzuela W(1-0) 9 4 1 1 1 4 0

Cyclone792
10-03-2006, 03:34 PM
I think most believed he could still hit, they just didn't believe he could stay healthy.

Right, that's why his contract was absolutely brilliant. He was a $500k risk with a massive reward, and even with him reaching all the incentives I still don't think the A's will pay anymore than $4 million for him.

Cedric
10-03-2006, 03:39 PM
Right, that's why his contract was absolutely brilliant. He was a $500k risk with a massive reward, and even with him reaching all the incentives I still don't think the A's will pay anymore than $4 million for him.

I don't know about brilliant. He couldn't go to an NL team and the A's were the only AL contending team needing a DH that offered him a contract.

Matt700wlw
10-03-2006, 03:42 PM
I am definitely NOT rooting for the Cardinals...

Cedric
10-03-2006, 03:43 PM
I'm rooting for the Fathers.

Red Leader
10-03-2006, 03:44 PM
interesting to see the Pads starting Branyan at 3rd and Blum at SS. I guess defense isn't everything to everybody.

Branyan was 1-3 with a BB vs Carpenter this year, and 2-3 with a 2-R HR, a single and a BB last year vs Carpenter. Maybe it's just a manager using a small sample size of at-bats and hoping that it's a start of a trend?

His other option is a RH option is it not? Carpenter is a lot tougher on RH's than LH's:


BAA OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left .266 .314 .416 .730
vs. Right .210 .252 .323 .575

Cyclone792
10-03-2006, 03:46 PM
I don't know about brilliant. He couldn't go to an NL team and the A's were the only AL contending team needing a DH that offered him a contract.

Ironically, the Twins supposedly wanted Thomas badly. Instead, they let him sign with the A's for only $500k guaranteed, and the Twins opted to run out guys such as Phil Nevin (.625 OPS), Jason Kubel (.665 OPS) and Rondell White (.641 OPS) at DH.

Minnesota could have definitely used Frank Thomas.

Cedric
10-03-2006, 03:54 PM
Ironically, the Twins supposedly wanted Thomas badly. Instead, they let him sign with the A's for only $500k guaranteed, and the Twins opted to run out guys such as Phil Nevin (.625 OPS), Jason Kubel (.665 OPS) and Rondell White (.641 OPS) at DH.

Minnesota could have definitely used Frank Thomas.

Win some, lose some. I'll take Terry Ryan anyday of the week over about anyone.

flyer85
10-03-2006, 03:58 PM
Win some, lose some. I'll take Terry Ryan anyday of the week over about anyone.... with the exception of Beane. :D

Cedric
10-03-2006, 04:00 PM
... with the exception of Beane. :D

I don't see much different in either. Both incredibly creative, intelligent, and willing to risk.

Johnny Footstool
10-03-2006, 04:05 PM
The Twins have had fewer wins and fewer playoff appearances under Ryan than the A's have had under Beane.

And Beane didn't benefit from one of the worst trades ever like Ryan did (Liriano, Nathan, and Bonser for AJ Pierzinski).

Cedric
10-03-2006, 04:08 PM
The Twins have had fewer wins and fewer playoff appearances under Ryan than the A's have had under Beane.

And Beane didn't benefit from one of the worst trades ever like Ryan did (Liriano, Nathan, and Bonser for AJ Pierzinski).

Ok. I guess Ryan didn't make the trade? Am I totally missing something on this one?

Isn't completely fleecing another team part of being a great gm? How is that benefitting?

Red Leader
10-03-2006, 04:11 PM
Cedric, I think Johnny is saying that Beane didn't have the benefit of an influx of talent in one trade that Ryan did that essentially handed them a stud closer, a good starter, and a stud starter.

I'd have to argue that the Mulder for Danny Haren and Daric Barton trade was somewhat close, though, although obviously Mulder was more important to the A's (so they did give up more and got less in return) than Pierzynski was to the Twins.

Cedric
10-03-2006, 04:14 PM
Cedric, I think Johnny is saying that Beane didn't have the benefit of an influx of talent in one trade that Ryan did that essentially handed them a stud closer, a good starter, and a stud starter.

I'd have to argue that the Mulder for Danny Haren and Daric Barton trade was somewhat close, though, although obviously Mulder was more important to the A's (so they did give up more and got less in return) than Pierzynski was to the Twins.

Liriano was a huge injury risk, Nathan wasn't a closer.

Great trade after the fact, not like it was obviously one sided at the time. Somehow taking away credit for Ryan as a gm because of that trade is absurd.

Red Leader
10-03-2006, 04:17 PM
Liriano was a huge injury risk, Nathan wasn't a closer.

Great trade after the fact, not like it was obviously one sided at the time. Somehow taking away credit for Ryan as a gm because of that trade is absurd.

In fairness to Johnny, I don't know if that's what he meant or not, I was just guessing based on how I viewed what he said.

I agree with you. That trade should be a big + for Ryan, not a mark against him. I feel the same way about the Mulder (and Hudson somewhat) trade for Beane. Not popular moves at all, but moves that were made and worked out very well for him. If you take Haren off of the A's this year and put Mulder on (with his injuries) the A's don't make the playoffs this year.

vaticanplum
10-03-2006, 04:22 PM
I am definitely NOT rooting for the Cardinals...

My uncle always taught me to root for the team that beat you, because then at least you can take comfort in knowing you lost to the best team.

By this logic, I should have been rooting for the Red Sox in the 2004 WS. Clearly, my uncle is a bigger person than I.

Johnny Footstool
10-03-2006, 04:25 PM
I'm not trying to take credit away from Ryan, but that trade really did fall in his lap. Granted, DanO probably would have passed if the Giants had offered that same package for Larue, but I can't think of a decent GM who wouldn't have made that deal. It was a no-brainer.

Nathan always had closer-quality stuff, and Liriano's talent far outweighed any risk, especially when you're only giving up a marginal catcher and you have Joe Mauer in the system.

M2
10-03-2006, 04:27 PM
I think one of the main themes of the Birds-Pads series just revealed itself -- the Padres feet vs. Yadier Molina's arm.

Puffy
10-03-2006, 04:50 PM
I'm not trying to take credit away from Ryan, but that trade really did fall in his lap. Granted, DanO probably would have passed if the Giants had offered that same package for Larue, but I can't think of a decent GM who wouldn't have made that deal. It was a no-brainer.

Nathan always had closer-quality stuff, and Liriano's talent far outweighed any risk, especially when you're only giving up a marginal catcher and you have Joe Mauer in the system.

Well, no trade is just "offered" - there is a negotiation back and forth and somehow Ryan got them to agree on that package. I don't think it was blind luck. And I don't think DanO could have gotten them to offer that package, so he would have never had an opportunity to turn it down for Larue

Matt700wlw
10-03-2006, 05:02 PM
Pujols 2 run HR

BRM
10-03-2006, 05:03 PM
Pujols 2 run HR

Cool. We love Pujols here at RedsZone...

flyer85
10-03-2006, 05:05 PM
Well, no trade is just "offered" - there is a negotiation back and forth and somehow Ryan got them to agree on that package. Jedi mind tricks?

vaticanplum
10-03-2006, 05:05 PM
Pujols 2 run HR

Oh right. that guy.

I would not put it past him to carry his whole team through the playoffs, at least this round. You laugh, but I'd like to see evidence that he's not superhuman.

flyer85
10-03-2006, 05:06 PM
No other team in the playoffs has a hitter anywhere close to Pujols.

BRM
10-03-2006, 05:07 PM
No other team in the playoffs has a hitter anywhere close to Pujols.

Rondell White?

M2
10-03-2006, 05:10 PM
Scott Rolen legs out a squib double. That guy is 100% ballplayer.

Cyclone792
10-03-2006, 05:10 PM
Oh right. that guy.

I would not put it past him to carry his whole team through the playoffs, at least this round. You laugh, but I'd like to see evidence that he's not superhuman.

The greatest individual postseason I've ever witnessed ...

.356/.581/.933 in 74 plate appearances and 17 games.

That's a 1.514 OPS for those scoring at home.

flyer85
10-03-2006, 05:11 PM
Rondell White?Ok, other than him. ;)

vaticanplum
10-03-2006, 05:16 PM
The greatest individual postseason I've ever witnessed ...

.356/.581/.933 in 74 plate appearances and 17 games.

That's a 1.514 OPS for those scoring at home.

Yes, I believe that would qualify as superhuman.

I can't help but be blown away by him. I have never seen a baseball player like him. At his best, Pedro was the most dominant pitcher of my lifetime, but Pujols astounds me even more.

Steroids are no explanation for this guy; they have not developed steroids as powerful and as natural as he is yet. I'd accept the theory that he's an alien before I'd accept the steroid one.

Johnny Footstool
10-03-2006, 05:21 PM
Jedi mind tricks?

Ask Bowden and Krivsky about those.

blumj
10-03-2006, 05:23 PM
I'd accept the theory that he's an alien before I'd accept the steroid one.
He does have a strange kind of look about him. I never really thought about it before, but now that you mention it, maybe he actually is an alien.

vaticanplum
10-03-2006, 05:28 PM
He does have a strange kind of look about him. I never really thought about it before, but now that you mention it, maybe he actually is an alien.

I had a teacher once who believed that Shakespeare was an alien. Her argument was that someone who understood the human condition so well could not possibly have been born into the same body/mind/soul that had the ability with language to express it so beautifully and so perfectly. No one before him did anything like him and no one has since.

This is almost how I feel about Pujols. I can't understand how that hitter and that first baseman came to exist in the same person. And we're not really sure where he came from, when he came to be...

The writing is on the wall.

Red Leader
10-03-2006, 05:31 PM
I didn't know that aliens could injure their obliques.

Good to know should they invade sometime. ;) :laugh: :laugh:

Cedric
10-03-2006, 05:51 PM
I had a teacher once who believed that Shakespeare was an alien. Her argument was that someone who understood the human condition so well could not possibly have been born into the same body/mind/soul that had the ability with language to express it so beautifully and so perfectly. No one before him did anything like him and no one has since.

This is almost how I feel about Pujols. I can't understand how that hitter and that first baseman came to exist in the same person. And we're not really sure where he came from, when he came to be...

The writing is on the wall.

I think many people thought the same thing with Bonds in 02. I guess you can argue that I shouldn't even watch baseball anymore, I just don't trust a certain subset of ballplayers.

Matt700wlw
10-03-2006, 06:29 PM
Cardinals bullpen coming in.

5-1 Cardinal lead....Padres threaten in the 7th

Matt700wlw
10-03-2006, 07:04 PM
Cardinals win game 1 by a score of 5-1

OnBaseMachine
10-03-2006, 07:06 PM
The Cards are garbage, however, the Padres aren't much better. The Cards will probably reach the NLCS thanks to HGH, but the Mets should take care of them, although losing Pedro hurts tremendously.

Matt700wlw
10-03-2006, 07:07 PM
The Cards are garbage, however, the Padres aren't much better. The Cards will probably reach the NLCS thanks to HGH, but the Mets should take care of them, although losing Pedro hurts tremendously.

Possibly El Duque now, too...

Chip R
10-03-2006, 07:08 PM
I didn't know that aliens could injure their obliques.

Good to know should they invade sometime. ;) :laugh: :laugh:

H.G. Wells sez they aren't too crazy about bacteria either.

M2
10-03-2006, 08:27 PM
Nice to see Sean Casey's still got his wheels. He should race a hare.

Heath
10-03-2006, 08:38 PM
Two things -

I think its nice to see Sean Casey in a playoff game.

Why does Magglio Ordonez look like Danny Graves?

Reds Fanatic
10-03-2006, 09:06 PM
Tigers have missed a couple of good scoring chances early in this game.

M2
10-03-2006, 09:10 PM
Jeter's start on the DP that got the Yanks out of the 3rd was nothing short of spectacular. Cano made a great turn and Sheffield looked good on the stretch at the end of it too.

Reds Fanatic
10-03-2006, 09:16 PM
Yankees score 3 in the 4th and still no one is out.

Cyclone792
10-03-2006, 09:19 PM
I'm watching this game, and I can't help but think that it's going to take lots of hopes, prayers and luck for any pitching staff to shut down the Yankees offense.

Robertson's pitch count was just fine at 27 pitches after two innings, but the second time through the Yanks are really working him now, and his pitch count for this inning alone is going to be extremely high. Robertson's likely to get knocked out of the game after only five or six innings if he's lucky, and then the Yanks will just start working on tiring out that Tiger bullpen.

EDIT: Giambi just hit a two run homer, and it's now 5-0 with still nobody out in the third inning. I don't even see Robertson lasting through five innings.

Blimpie
10-03-2006, 09:19 PM
Just looked it up...Schilling did face Matt Morris in Games 1 and 5, but it looks like St. Louis went to the bullpen both times.

Well, I will now be obsessed with finding this out.When Frank Viola pitched the 10 inning complete game versus the Braves in Game 7 of the 1991 World Series, didn't the opposing starter also last quite a while?

I'm too lazy to look it up and that's all I've got.

Reds Fanatic
10-03-2006, 09:20 PM
Giambi homers. 5-0 Yankees. The Tigers are totally outmatched in this series.

M2
10-03-2006, 09:20 PM
The Tigers season is, for all intensive purposes, over. I know they had a fine season and that there's a lot of baseball left to play in this game and series, but we're seeing the difference between mortals and titans here.

M2
10-03-2006, 09:21 PM
When Frank Viola pitched the 10 inning complete game versus the Braves in Game 7 of the 1991 World Series, didn't the opposing starter also last quite a while?

I'm too lazy to look it up and that's all I've got.

That was Jack Morris who pitched 10 innings (best pitched game I've ever seen). John Smoltz went nine for the Braves and was relieved by Alejandro Pena in the 10th.

letsgojunior
10-03-2006, 09:29 PM
Go Yanks!

Cedric
10-03-2006, 09:30 PM
My favorite part of this game is hearing Mccarver talk about the amazing bat speed of Sheffield and Giambi and not laughing about it.

Reds Fanatic
10-03-2006, 09:54 PM
Casey doubles in a run and the Tigers are back in it. 5-3 Yankees.

Tornon
10-03-2006, 10:20 PM
I don't know how Robertson is still in there.. but he is

Tornon
10-03-2006, 10:24 PM
I spoke too soon..

Heath
10-03-2006, 11:03 PM
The Tigers, who went 14-1 against the Royals get swept over the weekend.

They look shell-shocked that they are in NYC, not Motown facing the A's.

blumj
10-03-2006, 11:33 PM
I'm watching this game, and I can't help but think that it's going to take lots of hopes, prayers and luck for any pitching staff to shut down the Yankees offense.

I think the As are the only ones with a deep enough pitching staff to have a shot, but it'll take a decent implosion by the Yankees pitching staff, with maybe a little help from the defense, for them to keep up.

BuckeyeRedleg
10-04-2006, 12:15 AM
I'm jealous of all these teams and, sadly, cannot remember what's it's like to sweat bullets in October.

Someday, maybe. Someday.

NJReds
10-04-2006, 09:08 AM
The much maligned Yankees farm system has produced Cano, Wang and Melky Cabrera in the last two years. Not too shabby.

Blimpie
10-04-2006, 09:56 AM
That was Jack Morris who pitched 10 innings (best pitched game I've ever seen). John Smoltz went nine for the Braves and was relieved by Alejandro Pena in the 10th.Yep, Thanks M2...Morris was who I meant all along. Toldya I was being lazy...:D

It was a fantasticly pitched game--especially considering what was at stake for both teams. I'm suprised nobody else mentioned that game.

lollipopcurve
10-04-2006, 10:41 AM
The much maligned Yankees farm system has produced Cano, Wang and Melky Cabrera in the last two years. Not too shabby.

True, but all 3 were free agents on the international market who sold their services to the highest bidder.

M2
10-04-2006, 10:48 AM
True, but all 3 were free agents on the international market who sold their services to the highest bidder.

It's one of the reasons fans should fear a salary cap. Imagine if the Yankees had to take tens of millions of dollars and move it from major league payroll to international player development.

Red Leader
10-04-2006, 10:51 AM
Jeter's start on the DP that got the Yanks out of the 3rd was nothing short of spectacular. Cano made a great turn and Sheffield looked good on the stretch at the end of it too.

I know a lot of people rag on Derek Jeter, but no one can argue that when the playoffs come, that guy is money in the bank. Just amazing how his game picks up.

Also, does anyone know if Sheffield had any previous exposure to 1B. I know it's not the most difficult defensive position to play, but he looked really good, IMO, at 1B last night.

Chip R
10-04-2006, 10:54 AM
I know a lot of people rag on Derek Jeter, but no one can argue that when the playoffs come, that guy is money in the bank. Just amazing how his game picks up.

Also, does anyone know if Sheffield had any previous exposure to 1B. I know it's not the most difficult defensive position to play, but he looked really good, IMO, at 1B last night.

That was a nice piece of hitting on that double.

I don't think Sheff has ever played 1st but he did come up as a SS. Plus they were blathering about how Mattingly had been working with him.

dabvu2498
10-04-2006, 11:08 AM
Sheff was a decent 3B, IIRC.

Pitching Jeter inside is a big mistake.