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RedsManRick
10-03-2006, 08:05 PM
... turns 30 on April 23 next year. I thought he was at least 2-3 years older. This is in no way a "trade for him" thread, just an observation of his accomplishments.

Before 30: 342 HR, 1,023 RBI.

His HR totals are going up as he slows down a bit. If he morphs in to a slower slugger, he's got a realistic shot at being a top 10 HR hitter of all time. I know he's a good player, but I perhaps underestimated what he'd done offensively to date and just how long he's been at it.

HumnHilghtFreel
10-03-2006, 08:07 PM
He has definitely been consistent over the years in ATL. I think it gets lost a lot of times as he's usually more well-known for his web-gems in the field.

Falls City Beer
10-03-2006, 08:11 PM
... turns 30 on April 23 next year. I thought he was at least 2-3 years older. This is in no way a "trade for him" thread, just an observation of his accomplishments.

Before 30: 342 HR, 1,023 RBI.

His HR totals are going up as he slows down a bit. If he morphs in to a slower slugger, he's got a realistic shot at being a top 10 HR hitter of all time. I know he's a good player, but I perhaps underestimated what he'd done offensively to date and just how long he's been at it.

I've said it forever. The dude's a phenom. Particularly playing in the Grand Canyon known as Turner.

pedro
10-03-2006, 08:21 PM
Considering the fact that he's the best defensive CF I've ever seen his offense is that much more impressive.


EASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
1996 Atl 31 106 11 23 7 1 5 13 7 29 3 0 .217 .265 .443 .708
1997 Atl 153 399 60 92 18 1 18 70 56 107 20 11 .231 .329 .416 .745
1998 Atl 159 582 89 158 33 8 31 90 40 129 27 4 .271 .321 .515 .836
1999 Atl 162 592 97 163 35 5 26 84 76 103 24 12 .275 .365 .483 .848
2000 Atl 161 656 122 199 36 6 36 104 59 100 21 6 .303 .366 .541 .907
2001 Atl 161 625 104 157 25 2 34 104 56 142 11 4 .251 .312 .461 .773
2002 Atl 154 560 91 148 34 0 35 94 83 135 8 3 .264 .366 .513 .879
2003 Atl 156 595 101 165 28 2 36 116 53 125 4 3 .277 .338 .513 .851
2004 Atl 154 570 85 149 34 4 29 91 71 147 6 6 .261 .345 .488 .833
2005 Atl 160 586 95 154 24 3 51 128 64 112 5 3 .263 .347 .575 .922
2006 Atl 156 565 107 148 29 0 41 129 82 127 4 1 .262 .363 .531 .894
Total -- 1607 5836 962 1556 303 32 342 1023 647 1256 133 53 .267 .345 .505 .850

TeamSelig
10-03-2006, 08:32 PM
Wasn't he like 22 y/o as a rookie?

IslandRed
10-03-2006, 09:08 PM
Wasn't he like 22 y/o as a rookie?

He was 19 when he came up with the Braves in 1996. And was starting in the World Series.

James B.
10-03-2006, 10:26 PM
It's funny to here people talk about Jones like that. I live in Braves country and to here them tell it he is horrible. They say the same things about Jones that reds fans sometimes say about Dunn;overweight, too many strikeouts, doesn't produce in the clutch; and that he doesn't work hard enough.

HumnHilghtFreel
10-03-2006, 10:29 PM
It's funny to here people talk about Jones like that. I live in Braves country and to here them tell it he is horrible. They say the same things about Jones that reds fans sometimes say about Dunn;overweight, too many strikeouts, doesn't produce in the clutch; and that he doesn't work hard enough.

I have a friend who lives in Atlanta and is a big Braves fan and he says all that too, so I know what you mean. He's been calling for the Braves to trade him the last 2 years.

dunner13
10-03-2006, 10:34 PM
Dunn to the braves, jones to the reds. Problem solved.

TOBTTReds
10-03-2006, 10:45 PM
I think he is my favorite OF'er to watch. I think he is the smoothest fielder I have ever seen. I love his little bit of showmenship with basket catches or Willie Mays style plays that he makes look routine.

My fav IF'er is Omar. Those two guys have some of the softest hands I've seen.

RedsManRick
10-03-2006, 10:46 PM
Well, Jones almost strikes me as an Eddie Murray type. I don't think he's ever been the player you build an offense around. His .850 career OPS isn't anything to write home about. But his longevity and consistency while being a very good player is impressive.

When Ryan Howard was 8 years from making his major league debut, Jones was playing the World Series. However, Jones is just 2 years older.

Highlifeman21
10-03-2006, 11:04 PM
I still prefer Vernon Wells to Andruw Jones, but that's just me.

I could be alone in this opinion.

HumnHilghtFreel
10-03-2006, 11:06 PM
I still prefer Vernon Wells to Andruw Jones, but that's just me.

I could be alone in this opinion.

You aren't

pedro
10-04-2006, 12:19 AM
It's funny to here people talk about Jones like that. I live in Braves country and to here them tell it he is horrible. They say the same things about Jones that reds fans sometimes say about Dunn;overweight, too many strikeouts, doesn't produce in the clutch; and that he doesn't work hard enough.

I know what you're saying. I lived in Atlanta from 1993-2003.

pedro
10-04-2006, 12:20 AM
I'd rather have Vernon Wells at this point too.

Topcat
10-04-2006, 01:25 AM
I think he is my favorite OF'er to watch. I think he is the smoothest fielder I have ever seen. I love his little bit of showmenship with basket catches or Willie Mays style plays that he makes look routine.

My fav IF'er is Omar. Those two guys have some of the softest hands I've seen.

I always appreciated gary Pettis and his of ability. course he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat :devil:

TOBTTReds
10-04-2006, 03:28 PM
I'd rather have Vernon Wells at this point too.

He's not a FA is he?

HBP
10-04-2006, 03:48 PM
When Ryan Howard was 8 years from making his major league debut, Jones was playing the World Series. However, Jones is just 2 years older.

That is insane. Sad thing is, he'll probably turn into Ken Griffey Jr. #2 when he hits 34-35 years old from all the wear and tear (although he never had to play on a concrete POS dome floor).

blumj
10-04-2006, 03:53 PM
He's not a FA is he?
No, both have another year on their contracts.

UC_Ken
10-04-2006, 06:00 PM
Wells had a great year this year but his OPS the two preceding years was below average. Jones has a ten year career of an 850 OPS with gold glove defense. He seems to be the much safer bet. If Atlanta's willing to deal I'd give them anyone not named Bailey, Harang, or Arroyo and immediately give Jones a 4 yr. extension to lock him up until he's 35. If I deal for Wells I'd wait to see if you get Wells 06 version or the 04-05 version.