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ChatterRed
10-08-2006, 05:33 PM
.......pay players what they're worth? Get their money's worth in terms of performance?

The Reds 4 highest paid players are all dead weight.
1. Griffey
2. Dunn
3. Milton
4. LaRue

I'd love to unload all of them.

Wheelhouse
10-08-2006, 06:07 PM
My guess: Krivsky will make every effort to do so...

CySeymour
10-08-2006, 08:38 PM
.......pay players what they're worth? Get their money's worth in terms of performance?

The Reds 4 highest paid players are all dead weight.
1. Griffey
2. Dunn
3. Milton
4. LaRue

I'd love to unload all of them.

Although he had an off year, how can you call Dunn dead weight?

KronoRed
10-08-2006, 08:40 PM
Although he had an off year, how can you call Dunn dead weight?
He strikes out too much, he doesn't hustle, and his bat avg was too low.

Oh..and he's solely to blame for the Reds not reaching the post season.;)

Reds4Life
10-08-2006, 08:50 PM
He strikes out too much, he doesn't hustle, and his bat avg was too low.

Oh..and he's solely to blame for the Reds not reaching the post season.;)

He hates puppies too. That Dunn, so much dead weight.

RedFanAlways1966
10-08-2006, 08:53 PM
Old management.. I am sure that is what you meant.

Dead weight... a tad strong and probably written knowing that it might start trouble. Actually a tad strong is not a proper comment for this. Ridiculous statement is more deserving. Dead weight means NOTHING gained from these players. No hits, no HRs, no wins, no quality starts, no baserunners thrown out, no catching and calling well-pitched games, etc.

Disappointed in certain players based on the value of their contracts? That is a different and better way to state this. It is not asking for trouble.

flyer85
10-08-2006, 08:56 PM
Likley that 3 of the 4 will be Reds in 2007. There will be no market for Jr, Larue and Milton unless the Reds are willing to eat sizeable portions of thetr contracts.

TOBTTReds
10-08-2006, 11:32 PM
Dead weight means NOTHING gained from these players. No hits, no HRs... no baserunners thrown out, no catching and calling well-pitched games, etc.



So...LaRue is still dead weight right?

Spring~Fields
10-09-2006, 12:04 AM
.......pay players what they're worth? Get their money's worth in terms of performance?

The Reds 4 highest paid players are all dead weight.
1. Griffey
2. Dunn
3. Milton
4. LaRue

I'd love to unload all of them.

Might be nice to see the Reds have an extra 30 million plus to spend wisely if they could.

MrCinatit
10-09-2006, 12:16 AM
He hates puppies too. That Dunn, so much dead weight.

I thought he ate puppies.

Handofdeath
10-10-2006, 10:12 PM
Likley that 3 of the 4 will be Reds in 2007. There will be no market for Jr, Larue and Milton unless the Reds are willing to eat sizeable portions of thetr contracts.


I say chow down.

pedro
10-10-2006, 11:48 PM
This thread is dead weight too.

Danny Serafini
10-11-2006, 10:34 AM
What a player is worth to management involves more than what happens on the field. To the front office Griffey isn't dead weight, he's worth what they're paying him because of the revenue he generates for the team. He's easily the biggest name they've got, and he's a guy that sells merchadise, tickets, gets people to tune into TV and radio braodcasts, etc. You could argue the Griffey is worth more than what he's being paid, even if he is declining on the field. That revenue he helps bring in is what's going to help pay for whatever free agent pitcher the team signs to improve the club. There's more to putting a club together than "his batting average sucks, lets cut him".

justincredible
10-11-2006, 11:38 AM
I thought he ate puppies.

I saw him steal a puppy from an old lady, eat it, and then punch her in the mouth.:eek:

Joseph
10-11-2006, 12:47 PM
I saw him steal a puppy from an old lady, eat it, and then punch her in the mouth.:eek:

Its ok though, she was a Cubs fan.

justincredible
10-11-2006, 01:13 PM
Its ok though, she was a Cubs fan.

It was actually Jim Edmonds' grandma. George Grande will be contacting Adam to scold him within the hour.

OldRightHander
10-11-2006, 01:15 PM
I thought he ate puppies.

No, that's kittens. He just kicks puppies.

Handofdeath
10-11-2006, 03:47 PM
I saw him steal a puppy from an old lady, eat it, and then punch her in the mouth.:eek:

I saw him steal a puppy and then immediately drop it. He then picked it up and ate it. After that he swung at the old lady and missed. I said out loud to another guy watching, " What a nimrod. I 've never seen a clumsier guy." The other guy started screaming " But he ate the puppy! In fact that's the 40th one he's eaten this month! I said, "But he dropped it immediately after taking it and couldn't even hit an old lady right in front of him." " 40 PUPPIES! " he screamed. It was disturbing.

Puffy
10-11-2006, 05:37 PM
What a player is worth to management involves more than what happens on the field. To the front office Griffey isn't dead weight, he's worth what they're paying him because of the revenue he generates for the team. He's easily the biggest name they've got, and he's a guy that sells merchadise, tickets, gets people to tune into TV and radio braodcasts, etc. You could argue the Griffey is worth more than what he's being paid, even if he is declining on the field. That revenue he helps bring in is what's going to help pay for whatever free agent pitcher the team signs to improve the club. There's more to putting a club together than "his batting average sucks, lets cut him".

Interestingly enough, do you know which team was the National League's biggest road draw this past year.......hmmmmmm, you guessed it - your Cincinnati Reds. Third in all of baseball behind the Yankees and the Red Sox. And did you also know that according to the collective bargaining agreement a road team gets a portion of the gate. But Junior had nothing to do with that, he brings nothing to the Reds financially and is dead weight.

Here are the attendance figures:


Team Home Road
---- ---- ----
Baltimore 2,153,139 2,537,225
Boston 2,930,588 2,923,997
Chicago 2,957,414 2,453,307
Cleveland 1,997,995 2,447,511
Detroit 2,595,937 2,365,374
Kansas City 1,372,638 2,538,644
LA Angels 3,406,790 2,242,532
Minnesota 2,285,018 2,267,564
New York 4,248,067 3,080,265
Oakland 1,976,625 2,575,051
Seattle 2,481,165 2,320,325
Tampa Bay 1,368,950 2,318,803
Texas 2,388,757 2,391,333
Toronto 2,302,212 2,313,400

National League
---------------

Team Home Road
---- ---- ----
Arizona 2,091,685 2,514,961
Atlanta 2,550,524 2,412,534
Chicago 3,123,215 2,739,251
Cincinnati 2,134,607 2,747,075
Colorado 2,104,362 2,626,037
Florida 1,164,134 2,507,861
Houston 3,022,763 2,550,582
Los Angeles 3,758,545 2,586,375
Milwaukee 2,335,643 2,418,581
New York 3,379,535 2,725,074
Philadelphia 2,701,815 2,447,717
Pittsburgh 1,861,549 2,579,952
St. Louis 3,407,104 2,738,560
San Diego 2,659,757 2,641,722
San Francisco 3,130,313 2,628,251
Washington 2,153,056 2,404,038

10/02 09:45:25 ET

RedFanAlways1966
10-11-2006, 09:24 PM
Interestingly enough, do you know which team was the National League's biggest road draw this past year.......hmmmmmm, you guessed it - your Cincinnati Reds. Third in all of baseball behind the Yankees and the Red Sox. And did you also know that according to the collective bargaining agreement a road team gets a portion of the gate. But Junior had nothing to do with that, he brings nothing to the Reds financially and is dead weight.

Do not agree.

Playing 27 games at Chicago/St. Louis/Houston might help the REDS road attendance. Six teams in the NL with more than 3 million in attendance. 3 of them are in the REDS division. Total attendance for these 27 games (9 games at each) was about 1,053,080.

Why don't Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Houston, St. Louis and Chicago have as much road attendees? Well they play a total of 41 games in Cincinnati where 26,350 on the average are at each game. That alone can be the difference in why St. Louis (29,650/game) and Houston (25,219/game) are barely below the REDS. And what "name players" draw fans to see MILW, CHI or PITT? None that come to my mind.

Does Ken Griffey Jr. still have drawing power in other cities? No factual answer... but I believe he is still a very popular person in other MLB cities. Don't be fooled by the REDS diehards who badmouth him here. His name causes people to buy tickets in other cities IMO. If you read RZ everyday, you can easily be fooled by the bashing and think Junior is liked by half and despised by half. Half of the other teams fans might be leary of his bat, but a lot will pay money to say they saw a future Hall-of-Famer who is a household name. No facts to back that up (like there are none to say it isn't so)... but his name is still big in MLB. 500+ HRs... done cleanly and without problems outside the lines. A for sure Hall-of-Famer. Make no doubt that name sells tickets elsewhere. How many? Don't know, but I feel safe in going on the record by saying more than any other REDS player in 2006. No doubt about it.

If 27 homers is dead weight, than there are a lot more dead weight players in MLB than guys with a gram of weight. Unless the definition of dead weight is used loosely here (imagine that).

Puffy
10-12-2006, 10:57 AM
Do not agree.

Playing 27 games at Chicago/St. Louis/Houston might help the REDS road attendance. Six teams in the NL with more than 3 million in attendance. 3 of them are in the REDS division. Total attendance for these 27 games (9 games at each) was about 1,053,080.

Why don't Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Houston, St. Louis and Chicago have as much road attendees? Well they play a total of 41 games in Cincinnati where 26,350 on the average are at each game. That alone can be the difference in why St. Louis (29,650/game) and Houston (25,219/game) are barely below the REDS. And what "name players" draw fans to see MILW, CHI or PITT? None that come to my mind.

Does Ken Griffey Jr. still have drawing power in other cities? No factual answer... but I believe he is still a very popular person in other MLB cities. Don't be fooled by the REDS diehards who badmouth him here. His name causes people to buy tickets in other cities IMO. If you read RZ everyday, you can easily be fooled by the bashing and think Junior is liked by half and despised by half. Half of the other teams fans might be leary of his bat, but a lot will pay money to say they saw a future Hall-of-Famer who is a household name. No facts to back that up (like there are none to say it isn't so)... but his name is still big in MLB. 500+ HRs... done cleanly and without problems outside the lines. A for sure Hall-of-Famer. Make no doubt that name sells tickets elsewhere. How many? Don't know, but I feel safe in going on the record by saying more than any other REDS player in 2006. No doubt about it.

If 27 homers is dead weight, than there are a lot more dead weight players in MLB than guys with a gram of weight. Unless the definition of dead weight is used loosely here (imagine that).

Yeah, you might wanna read my post again - I was saying Griffey is a huge draw and helps the Reds (me bringing up attendence was the whole point - gate sharing).

I was being sarcastic in that last sentence - repeating what original poster had said.

RedFanAlways1966
10-12-2006, 01:39 PM
Yeah, you might wanna read my post again - I was saying Griffey is a huge draw and helps the Reds (me bringing up attendence was the whole point - gate sharing).

I was being sarcastic in that last sentence - repeating what original poster had said.

Oops. Sorry, Puffy. I actually read it 3X before posting b/c I wondered about your post. I am easily confused sometimes! :)

jmcclain19
10-12-2006, 03:00 PM
Interestingly enough, do you know which team was the National League's biggest road draw this past year.......hmmmmmm, you guessed it - your Cincinnati Reds. Third in all of baseball behind the Yankees and the Red Sox. And did you also know that according to the collective bargaining agreement a road team gets a portion of the gate. But Junior had nothing to do with that, he brings nothing to the Reds financially and is dead weight.

Here are the attendance figures:


Team Home Road
---- ---- ----
Baltimore 2,153,139 2,537,225
Boston 2,930,588 2,923,997
Chicago 2,957,414 2,453,307
Cleveland 1,997,995 2,447,511
Detroit 2,595,937 2,365,374
Kansas City 1,372,638 2,538,644
LA Angels 3,406,790 2,242,532
Minnesota 2,285,018 2,267,564
New York 4,248,067 3,080,265
Oakland 1,976,625 2,575,051
Seattle 2,481,165 2,320,325
Tampa Bay 1,368,950 2,318,803
Texas 2,388,757 2,391,333
Toronto 2,302,212 2,313,400

National League
---------------

Team Home Road
---- ---- ----
Arizona 2,091,685 2,514,961
Atlanta 2,550,524 2,412,534
Chicago 3,123,215 2,739,251
Cincinnati 2,134,607 2,747,075
Colorado 2,104,362 2,626,037
Florida 1,164,134 2,507,861
Houston 3,022,763 2,550,582
Los Angeles 3,758,545 2,586,375
Milwaukee 2,335,643 2,418,581
New York 3,379,535 2,725,074
Philadelphia 2,701,815 2,447,717
Pittsburgh 1,861,549 2,579,952
St. Louis 3,407,104 2,738,560
San Diego 2,659,757 2,641,722
San Francisco 3,130,313 2,628,251
Washington 2,153,056 2,404,038

10/02 09:45:25 ET

A rare moment of excellent insight from Puffy? My goodness, I feel all dirty and wrong.

redsupport
10-12-2006, 03:26 PM
The reasons the Reds were the top draw were the following
Fans everywhere were agog with anticipation awaiting the fifth starter, would it be Mays, or Michalak
b) Many of the fans were also in a pool trying to predict all the permutations oflineups that the Reds were used.
c) Finally attendance was at its pinnacle , especially in the bleachers, when Milton pitched

RedLegSuperStar
10-12-2006, 04:05 PM
Dunn isn't dead weight. He still has the "ceiling" value to improve. Now thats on him and the new hitting coach to work on. I think Dunn will round out hitting .270 career. He will walk and he will strikeout.. but dead weight that hits 40+ homeruns and drives in nearly 100 runs is pretty nice to have.

Junior.. Junior is a 10/5 player.. another words is he is either going to retire here. Hopefully with a ring around his finger. I could see him after his contract is up a signing a 1 year deal with a contender if he hasn't won one yet.

LaRue had a dissapointing year. His confidence was never there since his injury and his bump from starter. He was paid based on his 2005 play to avoid arbitration. That was thought at the time a good investment. I would of rather pursued a older but cheaper Mike Piazza which actually benifited San Diego.

Milton isn't going to pass up on 9 million dollars.. so we are stuck with him at least until the trade deadline. I have a feeling Uncle Milty will be putting up some impressive numbers if he wants to ever see a contract like that again.