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Krusty
10-11-2006, 09:56 AM
Should the Reds be major players for his services this offseason? Even though he will be 38 years old next season, there still might be enough left on the tires.

Opinions?

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=nyy&playerID=119608

NJReds
10-11-2006, 10:22 AM
I think the Yankees are going to try to bring him back at a much lower rate. In any event, from what I saw this year, he's one of those guys that ends up around the 100 pitch mark in the 6th inning. Although a switch to the NL could help him out, I'd still stay away. He's going to be too rich for the Reds to afford.

Krusty
10-11-2006, 10:38 AM
Two other pitchers out there that might be in the Reds price range are former Rangers RHP Vincent Padilla and RHP Adam Eaton.

NJReds
10-11-2006, 12:05 PM
Two other pitchers out there that might be in the Reds price range are former Rangers RHP Vincent Padilla and RHP Adam Eaton.

In another post I mentioned Padilla, along with Lilly as starters that could be in the Reds price range. I also think that bringing in Batista as a potential closer wouldn't be a bad idea.

RedLegSuperStar
10-11-2006, 12:53 PM
Two other pitchers out there that might be in the Reds price range are former Rangers RHP Vincent Padilla and RHP Adam Eaton.

Eaton is the guy I would pursue.. down the stretch he looked good (4-4 w/ 3.77 ERA 54K's in 62 Inn/ 17 BB)

I think he may be at a reasonable price as well due to the fact he was injured most of the season. Add to the fact he is only 28.. 29 next month. He immidiatly becomes the Reds #3 starter. Once thought of in San Diego as an Ace along with Peavey.

Another possiblity is maybe Ted Lilly (15-13 4.31 ERA). Although the 28 homers scares me. Meet Eric Milton (29)

TeamSelig
10-11-2006, 01:11 PM
Eaton gives up quite a few HRs too (11 in 65 IP)... in 04 he gave up 28 HRs in about 200 IP (in San Diego's park)... so given a full season at the GABP he could probably touch 30.

I wouldn't mind taking a look at him though, as long as he doesn't cost much.

cincyinco
10-11-2006, 09:45 PM
Eaton is always injured too..

RedsBaron
10-12-2006, 06:26 AM
It depends upon the price. I think Mussina could still be a dependable no. 3 starter.

Krusty
10-12-2006, 09:41 AM
It depends upon the price. I think Mussina could still be a dependable no. 3 starter.


The Yankees aren't going to pick up his 17 million option. Instead they will try to sign him to a two or three year extension.

Now if the Reds want to be major players, would Castanelli and Krivsky willing to offer a three year deal between 30-36 million for a 38 year old pitcher?

RedLegSuperStar
10-12-2006, 10:56 AM
The Yankees aren't going to pick up his 17 million option. Instead they will try to sign him to a two or three year extension.

Now if the Reds want to be major players, would Castanelli and Krivsky willing to offer a three year deal between 30-36 million for a 38 year old pitcher?

I would more or less push a 2 year deal for around 22 Mil. I would then sling Dunn for Santana and Aybar. See if Milton would be enough to get OF help.. perhaps Jenkins from the Brewers (I hear DanO's a Milton fan).

TeamSelig
10-12-2006, 12:00 PM
I really doubt anyone takes Milton... maybe we could trade him at the deadline next year if he's pitching decent and the Yanks would send us a PTBNL and thats really pushing it... seriously doubt we could get Jenkins away from the Brewers

And no way do I give Mussina a 3 year deal at 10 mil per year. The farthest that I would go would be a 1 year deal at $5 million, with a mutual option the following year of $7 million or something

BRM
10-12-2006, 12:02 PM
I really doubt anyone takes Milton...

It would be a hard sell, that's for sure. Wayne would likely have to take a bad contract in return.

TeamSelig
10-12-2006, 12:09 PM
And next year is his last right? If we paid his remaining salary I could see us getting a half way prospect or a former prospect coming back from surgery or something... maybe better off keeping him

BRM
10-12-2006, 12:11 PM
Sure, he could probably be moved for a middling prospect if the Reds pick up a chunk of his salary.

cincyinco
10-12-2006, 01:37 PM
Isn't Milton's contract for next year an option? Can't the Reds decline that option? Not sure where to look up contracts for ballplayers, otherwise I'd look - I do admit I'm too lazy to google it though...

Chip R
10-12-2006, 01:40 PM
Isn't Milton's contract for next year an option? Can't the Reds decline that option? Not sure where to look up contracts for ballplayers, otherwise I'd look - I do admit I'm too lazy to google it though...


I think it's a player option and you can bet the house Milton will excercise it.

schroomytunes
10-12-2006, 01:42 PM
Really it is way too early to speculate on who's going to be available to us this offseason, cause we have no idea how much $ is going to be there. If we are going to be major players in the FA market, then we must find a way to shed some contracts like:

1)Griffeys 10 million+
2)Milton's 8
3)Dunn's 10
4)Larue's 5

The only one that has signifigant trade value is Dunn, but we are going to be selling low based on his September free fall. Now on the other hand; if we package him with say Freel then we eliminate @12 million in $ to pursue other FA's.

Scenerio: Reds trade Adam Dunn and Ryan Freel to Toronto
for a package of: Alex Rios (OF) Russ Adams(SS) Dustin McGowan(P) and Jeremy Accardo(P)

We then can afford to pursue a FA starter like Padilla, and acquire another Of to man CF, and still provide a bat or two for bench depth.(Wes Helms)

PuffyPig
10-12-2006, 02:07 PM
Isn't Milton's contract for next year an option? Can't the Reds decline that option? Not sure where to look up contracts for ballplayers, otherwise I'd look - I do admit I'm too lazy to google it though...

If that were true, why would anyone even be discussing it?

No, the Reds have to pay.

KronoRed
10-12-2006, 02:09 PM
No thanks on Mussina

The_jbh
10-12-2006, 02:27 PM
I wouldnt mind having Moose but i think we arent the type of team he wants to be on at this point of his career and his years are getting up there. Knowing our luck we'd sign him and he'd lose... hes one of those finesse guys now so he can probably pitch for a couple more years

I think he sticks with the yanks bc its his best shot at padding his career potential hall of fame numbers

RedLegSuperStar
10-12-2006, 02:51 PM
I wouldnt mind having Moose but i think we arent the type of team he wants to be on at this point of his career and his years are getting up there. Knowing our luck we'd sign him and he'd lose... hes one of those finesse guys now so he can probably pitch for a couple more years

I think he sticks with the yanks bc its his best shot at padding his career potential hall of fame numbers

I never took that into effect. Good point!

Krusty
10-13-2006, 01:00 PM
Since he is from Montoursville, PA he is a stone throw from Williamsport, PA where I live. Alot of locals don't like the guy because he charges people in his hometown for his autograph.