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Mainspark
10-14-2006, 03:49 PM
Fox fires Lyons after insensitive comment
By JANIE McCAULEY
AP Sports Writer
DETROIT (AP) — Fox baseball broadcaster Steve Lyons has been fired for making a racially insensitive comment directed at colleague Lou Piniella’s Hispanic heritage on the air during Game 3 of the American League championship series.
The network confirmed Saturday that Lyons was dismissed after Friday’s comments. He has been replaced for the remainder of the series by Los Angeles Angels announcer Jose Mota.
“Steve Lyons has been relieved of his Fox Sports duties for making comments on air that the company found inappropriate,” network spokesman Dan Bell said.
Lyons had been working in the booth for the ALCS alongside Thom Brennaman and Piniella.
Piniella, approached before Saturday’s Game 4, declined to comment on the situation except to say: “No, he’s not here today.”

Any idea exactly what he said?

Mainspark
10-14-2006, 04:17 PM
Further explanation....

DETROIT (AP) — Fox baseball broadcaster Steve Lyons has been fired for making a racially insensitive comment directed at colleague Lou Piniella’s Hispanic heritage on the air during Game 3 of the American League championship series.
The network confirmed Saturday that Lyons was dismissed after Friday’s comments. He has been replaced for the remainder of the series by Los Angeles Angels announcer Jose Mota.
“Steve Lyons has been relieved of his Fox Sports duties for making comments on air that the company found inappropriate,” network spokesman Dan Bell said.
Lyons had been working in the booth for the ALCS alongside Thom Brennaman and Piniella.
A call to Lyons’ cell phone was not immediately returned Saturday.
In the second inning of Friday’s game between Detroit and Oakland, Piniella talked about the success light-hitting A’s infielder Marco Scutaro had in the first round of the playoffs. Piniella said that slugger Frank Thomas and Eric Chavez needed to contribute, comparing Scutaro’s production to finding a “wallet on Friday” and hoping it happened again the next week.
Later, Piniella said the A’s needed Thomas to get “en fuego” — hot in Spanish — because he was currently “frio” — or cold. After Brennaman praised Piniella for being bilingual, Lyons spoke up.
Lyons said that Piniella was “hablaing Espanol” — butchering the conjugation for the word “to speak” — and added, “I still can’t find my wallet.”
“I don’t understand him, and I don’t want to sit too close to him now,” Lyons continued.
Fox executives told Lyons after the game he had been fired.
Piniella, approached before Saturday’s Game 4, declined to comment on the situation except to say: “No, he’s not here today.”
This was not a first-time offense for Lyons, nicknamed “Psycho” during his nine-year big league career as a utilityman that ended in 1993 with the Boston Red Sox.
Hired when Fox began broadcasting baseball in 1996, Lyons was suspended without pay in late September 2004 after his remarks about Shawn Green of the Los Angeles Dodgers. Green is Jewish and elected not to play one of the two games at San Francisco that took place during the Yom Kippur holiday.
The network apologized for Lyons’ remarks at the time.
Lyons, 46, was a career .252 hitter with 19 home runs and 196 RBIs for Boston, the Chicago White Sox, Atlanta and Montreal. He was a first-round draft pick by the Red Sox, 19th overall, in 1981.

Hap
10-14-2006, 04:41 PM
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Red in Chicago
10-14-2006, 05:23 PM
am i crazy for not understanding why he was fired?

Swampturkey
10-14-2006, 05:28 PM
No you're not cause I don"t understand either. People butcher that habla phrase all the time, and the whole wallet comment....what?

cincinnati chili
10-14-2006, 05:29 PM
I guess he implied that Hispanic people are prone to stealing stuff?

Weird.

Personally, I think he should have been fired years ago for needlessly drawiing attention to himself at inappropriate times.

JaxRed
10-14-2006, 05:31 PM
You know, Pinella has a chance to be a standup guy here if he refused to broadcast unless Lyons was brought back. This was ridiculous.

Red in Chicago
10-14-2006, 05:34 PM
i find it hard to believe that lou would have been offended by these comments...i didn't even know he was hispanic...seems to me, that dusty baker has made much more racist comments than this, but then again, he didn't work for fox, he just worked for the tribune company...

westofyou
10-14-2006, 05:39 PM
When he said it I thought... hmmmmm here comes the open door.

It was noticable, in a bad joke sort of way. Perhaps this was just the chance Fox was waiting for.


Fox fires Lyons after insensitive comment

The title is funny considering Fox has been the barometer for poor taste for over a decade.

Blimpie
10-14-2006, 05:47 PM
So did the Fox execs think Pinella has a hispanic flavor because he knows that 'frio' means cold? And that he (and all other pseudo-hispanics) should have been offended by Lyons' comments?

Seems like they were looking for an "out" to get rid of Lyons. This one seems kinda thin.

kaldaniels
10-14-2006, 05:49 PM
I'm just dumb I guess. What exactly was he inferring and by which quotes...analysis anyone???

westofyou
10-14-2006, 05:56 PM
I'm just dumb I guess. What exactly was he inferring and by which quotes...analysis anyone???

Ok.... here's what happened.

They were talking about Santiago batting #9, Loy said.. He's there for his glove, if he gets a couple of hits then you have to look at it like you found a wallet, you accept it for what it is, you don't find a wallet on friday and then spend Saturday and Sunday looking (and expecting) to find another one.

Then he refered to a player needing to heat up in Spanish.


And that he (and all other pseudo-hispanics).

IIRC Lou grew up in bilingual home and for a good part of his early Career (pre Royals) he was tagged with the hot headed latin type, something that sent him through 3 different organizations in 5 years.

cincinnati chili
10-14-2006, 06:00 PM
“I still can’t find my wallet.”
“I don’t understand him, and I don’t want to sit too close to him now,” Lyons continued.

This would seem to offend some people of Hispanic heritage. It implies (to me) that Spanish-speaking people are a threat to take your wallet.

I don't think that Fox is worried about Lou Piniella not watching Fox. I think they're worried about Hispanic people not watching Fox.. and they are the demographic that will represent the plurality of Americans during most of our lifetimes.

Blimpie
10-14-2006, 06:00 PM
IIRC Lou grew up in bilingual home and for a good part of his early Career (pre Royals) he was tagged with the hot headed latin type, something that sent him through 3 different organizations in 5 years.I always pegged him as a hot-blooded Italian--not a hispanic. Who knew?

I figured that anybody who has been around the game at all over the last twenty years has picked up on their fair share of Spanish words. Thanks to Dan Patrick, "En fuego" is as about a mainstream as they get as far as Spanish words get.

Blimpie
10-14-2006, 06:03 PM
Wasn't Pinella the one who began with the whole "finding a wallet" analogy when referring to Scutaro?

Seems to me that Pinella made no mention of actually RETURNING the found wallet to its rightful owner...maybe Lyons was onto something?

It all just sounds kinda over-the-top PC to me.

kaldaniels
10-14-2006, 06:08 PM
Ok.... here's what happened.

They were talking about Santiago batting #9, Loy said.. He's there for his glove, if he gets a couple of hits then you have to look at it like you found a wallet, you accept it for what it is, you don't find a wallet on friday and then spend Saturday and Sunday looking (and expecting) to find another one.

Then he refered to a player needing to heat up in Spanish.



IIRC Lou grew up in bilingual home and for a good part of his early Career (pre Royals) he was tagged with the hot headed latin type, something that sent him through 3 different organizations in 5 years.

Thanks, but what quote by Lyons got him canned.

Falls City Beer
10-14-2006, 06:13 PM
I deeply dislike Lyons, but from what I can tell from what the news sources are reporting (I didn't hear the exchange verbatim, so maybe I'm missing some of the context), this sounds a bit extreme. I agree with Blimpie, it sounds like a thin pretext for firing him. But I'll also admit that I don't know the whole story, so....

cincinnati chili
10-14-2006, 06:15 PM
Here's Deadspin's take:

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/steve-lyons/he-definitely-wont-have-to-sit-next-to-lou-piniella-anymore-207664.php

Blimpie
10-14-2006, 06:19 PM
I deeply dislike Lyons, but from what I can tell from what the news sources are reporting (I didn't hear the exchange verbatim, so maybe I'm missing some of the context), this sounds a bit extreme. I agree with Blimpie, it sounds like a thin pretext for firing him. But I'll also admit that I don't know the whole story, so....Also curious that he is replaced by Jose Mota, and not somebody named John Smith or Brick Tamblin...

Blimpie
10-14-2006, 06:20 PM
quote deleted.Thread implosion in 3-2-1...Nicely done.

cincinnati chili
10-14-2006, 06:21 PM
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In that case, let's get rid of juries and trials, and just lock up all the Hispanics.

Yeah, that gold-darned political correctness.

wolfboy
10-14-2006, 06:22 PM
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Wow. Did you really just type that?

I mean, do you even know why race has become so hush hush over the years? It could be because at the mere mention of race, someone inevitably says something offensive, baseless, and just plain stupid.

Falls City Beer
10-14-2006, 06:23 PM
So Green's a High Holiday Jew who married a shiksa? Who knew?

So he can't observe Yom Kippur? Don't follow.

I'm certain even Lyons doesn't completely understand how stupid (not even particularly offensive) he sounds sometimes.

Blimpie
10-14-2006, 06:28 PM
I'm certain even Lyons doesn't completely understand how stupid (not even particularly offensive) he sounds sometimes.By reading some of the recent posts in this thread, there appears to be a lot of that going around...

westofyou
10-14-2006, 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by redsrule2500 View Post
I hate political correct BS.

Racist idiocy is funner eh?

Falls City Beer
10-14-2006, 06:31 PM
By reading some of the recent posts in this thread, there appears to be a lot of that going around...

I'm not even touching that post with the Cooties. I'm just staying the hell away.

Blimpie
10-14-2006, 06:34 PM
I'm not even touching that post with the Cooties. I'm just staying the hell away.Yep. If I didn't manage my own personal filter, there would be padlock coming to this thread post haste.

reds44
10-14-2006, 06:34 PM
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Did you really just post that?

redsrule2500
10-14-2006, 06:36 PM
1.1 % of hispanics are in prison.
0.3 % of whites are in prison.

JUST STATING FACTS DAMNIT, I can't understand why people can continue to just blatantly ignore facts to 'be nice to everyone'

It's crap!

redsrule2500
10-14-2006, 06:37 PM
Wow. Did you really just type that?

I mean, do you even know why race has become so hush hush over the years? It could be because at the mere mention of race, someone inevitably says something offensive, baseless, and just plain stupid.

Why is it plain stupid? It's a proven fact.

cincinnati chili
10-14-2006, 06:39 PM
1.1 % of hispanics are in prison.
0.3 % of whites are in prison.



Therefore, Lou Piniella stole Steve Lyons' wallet.

redsrule2500
10-14-2006, 06:40 PM
Therefore, Lou Piniella stole Steve Lyons' wallet.

Incorrect.

westofyou
10-14-2006, 06:41 PM
Therefore, Lou Piniella stole Steve Lyons' wallet.It's a fact.... I saw it on Fox News.

KittyDuran
10-14-2006, 06:42 PM
[I always pegged him as a hot-blooded Italian--not a hispanic. Who knew?Same here...:confused:

Blimpie
10-14-2006, 06:49 PM
1.1 % of hispanics are in prison.
0.3 % of whites are in prison.

JUST STATING FACTS DAMNIT, I can't understand why people can continue to just blatantly ignore facts to 'be nice to everyone'

It's crap!I can't understand how you continue to think you are making sense in this thread.

What's next? All Arabs are terrorists?

Joseph
10-14-2006, 07:03 PM
Racism is ignorant.