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dougdirt
10-16-2006, 12:45 AM
Seems as though they got the ball rolling with the offseason prospect rankings, anyways here is the list, I have put in bold the Reds, who have 4 in the top 100.


#1. Alex Gordon (23) Third Base -- Kansas City Royals
Wichita (AA) 130 Games .325 29HR 101RBI

#2. Delmon Young (21) Outfield
-- Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Tampa Bay (MLB) 30 Games .317 3HR 10RBI
Durham (AAA) 86 Games .316 8HR 59RBI

#3. Philip Hughes (20) Pitcher -- New York Yankees
Trenton (AA) 116IP 10-3 2.25ERA 138K
Tampa (High-A) 30IP 2-3 1.80ERA 30K

#4. Matt Garza (23) Pitcher -- Minnesota Twins
Minnesota (MLB) 50IP 3-6 5.76ERA 38K
Rochester (AAA) 34IP 3-1 1.99ERA 33K
New Brittain (AA) 57.1IP 6-2 2.51ERA 68K
Fort Myers (High-A) 44.1IP 5-1 1.42ERA 53K

#5. Homer Bailey (20) Pitcher -- Cincinnati Reds
Chattanooga (AA) 68IP 7-1 1.59ERA 77K
Sarasota (High-A) 70.2IP 3-5 3.31ERA 79K

#6. Brandon Wood (22) Shortstop -- Anaheim Angels
Little Rock (AA) 118 Games .276 25HR 83RBI

#7. Andrew McCutchen (20) Outfield
-- Pittsburgh Pirates
Altoona (AA) 20 Games .308 3HR 129RBI
Hickory (Low-A) 114 Games .291 14HR 62RBI

#8. Jay Bruce (20) Outfield -- Cincinnati Reds
Dayton (Low-A) 117 Games .291 16HR 81RBI

#9. Cameron Maybin (20) Outfield -- Detroit Tigers
West Michigan (Low-A) 101 Games .304 9HR 69RBI

#10. Troy Tulowitzki (22) Shortstop -- Colorado Rockies
Colorado (MLB) 25 Games .240 1HR 6RBI
Tulsa (AA) 104 Games .291 13HR 61RBI

#11. Justin Upton (19) Outfield
-- Arizona Diamondbacks
South Bend (Low-A) 113 Games .263 12HR 66RBI

#12. Mike Pelfrey (23) Pitcher -- New York Mets
New York Mets (MLB) 21.1IP 2-1 5.48ERA 179K
Norfolk (AAA) 8IP 1-0 2.25ERA 6K
Binghamton (AA) 66.1IP 4-2 2.71ERA 77K
St. Lucie (High-A) 22IP 2-1 1.64ERA 26K

#13. Scott Elbert (21) Pitcher -- Los Angeles Dodgers
Jacksonville (AA) 62.1IP 6-4 3.61ERA 76K
Vero Beach (High-A) 83.2IP 5-5 2.37ERA 97K

#14. Josh Fields (24) Third Base -- Chicago White Sox
Chicago White Sox (MLB) 11 Games .150 1HR 2RBI
Charlotte (AAA) 124 Games .305 19HR 70RBI

#15. Reid Brignac (21) Shortstop
-- Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Montgomery (AA) 28 Games .300 3HR 16RBI
Visalia (High-A) 100 Games .326 21HR 83RBI

#16. Yovani Gallardo (21) Pitcher -- Milwaukee Brewers
Huntsville (AA) 77.1IP 5-2 1.63ERA 85K
Brevard County (High-A) 77.2IP 6-3 2.09ERA 103K

#17. Andrew Miller (21) Pitcher -- Detroit Tigers
Detroit (MLB) 10.1IP 0-1 6.10ERA 6K
Lakeland (High-A) 5IP 0-0 0.00ERA 9K

#18. Evan Longoria (23) Third Base
-- Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Montgomery (AA) 26 Games .267 6HR 19RBI
Visalia (High-A) 28 Games .327 8HR 28RBI
Hudson Valley (SS) 8 Games .424 4HR 11RBI

#19. Carlos Gonzalez (21) Outfield
-- Arizona Diamondbacks
Tennessee (AA) 18 Games .213 2HR 5RBI
Lancaster (High-A) 104 Games .300 21HR 94RBI

#20. Jose Tabata (18) Outfield -- New York Yankees
Charleston (Low-A) 86 Games .298 5HR 51RBI
#21. Luke Hochevar (23) Pitcher -- Kansas City Royals
Burlington (Low-A) 15.1IP 0-1 1.17ERA 16K

#22. Ryan Braun (23) Third Base -- Milwaukee Brewers
Huntsville (AA) 59 Games .303 15HR 40RBI
Brevard County (AAA) 59 Games .274 7HR 37RBI

#23. Chris B. Young (23) Outfield
-- Arizona Diamondbacks
Arizona (MLB) 30 Games .243 2HR 10RBI
Tucson (AA) 100 Games .276 21HR 77RBI

#24. Tim Lincecum (22) Pitcher -- San Francisco Giants
San Jose (High-A) 27.2IP 2-0 1.95ERA 48K
Salem-Keizer (ss) 4.0IP 2-0 0.00ERA 10K

#25. Billy Butler (20) Outfield -- Kansas City Royals
Wichita (AA) 99 Games .331 15HR 96RBI

#26. Jacoby Ellsbury (23) Outfield -- Boston Red Sox
Portland (AA) Games .308 3HR 19RBI
Wilmington (High-A) 61 Games .299 4HR 32RBI

#27. Jason Hirsh (25) Pitcher -- Houston Astros
Houston (MLB) 44.2IP 3-4 6.04ERA 29K
Round Rock (AAA) 137.1IP 13-2 2.10ERA 118K

#28. Jeff Niemann (24) Pitcher -- Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Montgomery (AA) 77.1IP 5-5 2.68ERA 84K

#29. Adam Lind (23) Outfield -- Toronto Blue Jays
Toronto (MLB) 18 Games .367 2HR 8RBI
Syracuse (AAA) 34 Games .394 5HR 18RBI
New Hampshire (AA) 91 Games .310 19HR 71RBI

#30. Adam Miller (22) Pitcher -- Cleveland Indians
Buffalo (AAA) 4.2IP 0-0 5.79ERA 4K
Akron (AA) 153.2IP 15-6 2.75ERA 157K

#31. Craig Hansen (23) Pitcher -- Boston Red Sox
Boston (MLB) 38IP 2-2 6.63ERA 30K
Pawtucket (AAA) 36IP 1-2 2.75ERA 26K
Portland (AA) 11IP 1-0 0.82ERA 12K

#32. Colby Rasmus (20) Outfield -- St. Louis Cardinals
Palm Beach (High-A) 53 Games .254 5HR 35RBI
Quad Cities (Low-A) 78 Games .310 11HR 50RBI

#33. Travis Buck (23) Outfield -- Oakland Athletics
Midland (AA) 50 Games .302 4HR 22RBI
Stockton (AAA) 34 Games .349 3HR 26RBI

#34. Adam Jones (21) Outfield -- Seattle Mariners
Seattle (MLB) 32 Games .216 1HR 8RBI
Tacoma (AAA) 96 Games .287 16HR 62RBI

#35. Jarrod Salatalamacchia (21) Catcher
-- Atlanta Braves
Mississippi (AA) 92 Games .230 9HR 39RBI

#36. Andy LaRoche (23) Third Base -- Los Angeles Dodgers
Las Vegas (AAA) 55 Games .322 10HR 35RBI
Jacksonville (AA) 62 Games .309 9HR 46RBI

#37. Fernando Martinez (18) Outfield -- New York Mets
St. Lucie (High-A) 30 Games .193 5HR 11RBI
Hagerstown (Low-A) 45 Games .333 5HR 28RBI
GCL Mets (Rk) 1 Games .250 0HR 0RBI

#38. Jeff Clement (23) Catcher -- Seattle Mariners
Tacoma (AA) 67 Games .257 4HR 32RBI
San Antonio (AAA) 15 Games .288 2HR 10RBI

#39. Elvis Andrus (18) Shortstop -- Atlanta Braves
Rome (Low-A) 111 Games .265 3HR 50RBI

#40. James Loney (22) -- Los Angeles Dodgers
Los Angeles (MLB) 48 Games .284 4HR 18RBI
Las Vegas (AAA) 98 Games .380 8HR 67RBI

#41. Joey Votto (23) First Base -- Cincinnati Reds
Chattanooga (AA) 136 Games .319 22HR 77RBI

#42. Chuck Lofgren (21) Pitcher -- Cleveland Indians
Kinston (High-A) 139.2IP 17-5 2.32ERA 125K

#43. Alberto Callaspo (23) Second Base
-- Arizona Diamondbacks
Arizona (MLB) 23 Games .238 0HR 6RBI
Tucson (AAA) 114 Games .337 7HR 68RBI

#44. Troy Patton (21) Pitcher -- Houston Astros
Corpus Christi (AA) 45.1IP 2-5 4.37ERA 37K
Salem (High-A) 101.1IP 7-7 2.93ERA 102K

#45. Daric Barton (21) First Base -- Oakland Athletics
Sacramento (AAA) 43 Games .259 2HR 22RBI
AZL Athletics (Rk) 2 Games .200 0HR 2RBI

#46. Nolan Reimold (23) Outfield -- Baltimore Orioles
Frederick (High-A) 119 Games .255 19HR 75RBI

#47. Carlos Carrasco (20) Pitcher
-- Philadelphia Phillies
Lakewood (Low-A) 159.1IP 12-6 2.26ERA 159K

#48. Chris Volstad (20) Pitcher -- Florida Marlins
Greensboro (Low-A) 152IP 11-8 3.08ERA 99K

#49. Dexter Fowler (21) Outfield -- Colorado Rockies
Ashville (Low-A) 99 Games .296 8HR 46RBI

#50. Hunter Pence (23) Outfield -- Houston Astros
Corpus Christi (AA) 136 Games .283 28HR 95RBI
#51. Felix Pie (22) Outfield -- Chicago Cubs
Iowa (AAA) 141 Games .283 15HR 57RBI

#52. Yusmeiro Petit (22) Pitcher -- Florida Marlins
Florida (MLB) 26.1IP 1-1 9.57ERA 20K
Albuquerque (AAA) 96.2IP 4-6 4.28ERA 68K

#53. Mark Rogers (21) Pitcher -- Milwaukee Brewers
Brevard County (High-A) 71IP 1-2 5.07ERA 96K
AZL Brewers (Rk) 4IP 0-0 2.25ERA 5K

#54. Nick Adenhart (20) Pitcher -- Anaheim Angels
Rancho Cucamonga (High-A) 52.1IP 5-2 3.78ERA 46K
Cedar Rapids (Low-A) 106IP 10-2 1.95ERA 99K

#55. Clayton Kershaw (19) Pitcher
-- Los Angeles Dodgers
GCL Dodgers (Rk) 37IP 2-0 1.95ERA 54K

#56. Carlos Gomez (21) Outfield -- New York Mets
Binghamton (AA) 120 Games .281 7HR 48RBI

#57. Franklin Morales (21) Pitcher -- Colorado Rockies
Modesto (High-A) 154IP 10-9 3.68ERA 179K

#58. Donald Veal (22) Pitcher -- Chicago Cubs
Daytona (High-A) 80.2IP 6-2 1.67ERA 88K
Peoria (Low-A) 73.2IP 5-3 2.69ERA 86K

#59. Kevin Kouzmanoff (25) Third Base
-- Cleveland Indians
Cleveland (MLB) 16 Games .214 3HR 11RBI
Buffalo (AAA) 27 Games .353 7HR 20RBI
Akron (AA) 67 Games .389 15HR 55RBI

#60. Anthony Swarzak (21) Pitcher -- Minnesota Twins
Fort Myers (High-A) 145.2IP 11-7 3.27ERA 131K

#61. Clay Buchholz (22) Pitcher -- Boston Red Sox
Wilmington (High-A) 16IP 2-0 1.13ERA 23K
Greenville (Low-A) 103IP 9-4 2.62ERA 117K

#62. Travis Snider (19) Outfield -- Toronto Blue Jays
Pulaski (SS) 54 Games .325 11HR 41RBI

#63. Jacob McGee (20) Pitcher
-- Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Southwest Michigan (Low-A) 134IP 7-9 2.96ERA 171K

#64. Ian Stewart (21) Third Base -- Colorado Rockies
Tulsa (AA) 31 Games .268 10HR 71RBI

#65. Ryan Sweeney (22) Outfield -- Chicago White Sox
Chicago White Sox (MLB) 18 Games .296 0HR 5RBI
Charlotte (AAA) 118 Games .296 13HR 70RBI

#66. Mitch Talbot (23) Pitcher -- Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Montgomery (AA) 66.1IP 4-3 1.90ERA 59K
Corpus Christi (AA) 90.1IP 6-4 3.39ERA 96K

#67. Trevor Crowe (23) Outfield -- Cleveland Indians
Akron (AA) 39 Games .234 1HR 13RBI
Kinston (High-A) 60 Games .329 4HR 31RBI
Lake County (Low-A) 2 Games .000 0HR 0RBI

#68. Eric Hurley (21) Pitcher -- Texas Rangers
Frisco (AA) 37IP 3-1 1.95ERA 31K
Bakersfield (High-A) 100.2IP 5-6 4.11ERA 106K

#69. Brad Lincoln (21) Pitcher -- Pittsburgh Pirates
Hickory (Low-A) 16IP 1-2 6.75ERA 10K
GCL Pirates (Rk) 7.2IP 0-0 0.00ERA 9K

#70. Blake DeWitt (21) Third Base
-- Los Angeles Dodgers
Jacksonville (AA) 26 Games .183 1HR 6RBI
Vero Beach (High-A) 31 Games .268 18HR 61RBI

#71. Kory Casto (25) Third Base
-- Washington Nationals
Harrisburg (AAA) 140 Games .272 20HR 80RBI

#72. Nate Schierholtz (23) Outfield
-- San Francisco Giants
Connecticut (AA) 125 Games .270 14HR 54RBI

#73. Sean Gallagher (21) Pitcher -- Chicago Cubs
West Tennessee (AA) 86.1IP 7-5 2.71ERA 91K
Daytona (High-A) 78.1IP 4-0 2.30ERA 80K

#74. John Danks (21) Pitcher -- Texas Rangers
Oklahoma City (AAA) 70.2IP 4-5 4.15ERA 72K
Frisco (AA) 69.1IP 5-4 4.15ERA 82K

#75. Tyler Colvin (21) Outfield -- Chicago Cubs
Boise (SS) 64 Games .268 11HR 53RBI

#76. Neil Walker (23) Catcher -- Pittsburgh Pirates
Altoona(AA) 10 Games .161 2HR 3RBI
Lynchburg (AAA) 72 Games .284 3HR 35RBI

#77. Billy Rowell (18) Shortstop -- Baltimore Orioles
Aberdeen (SS) 11 Games .326 1HR 6RBI
Bluefield (Rk) 42 Games .329 2HR 26RBI

#78. Micah Owings (24) Pitcher
-- Arizona Diamondbacks
Tucson (AAA) 87.2IP 10-0 3.70ERA 61K
Tennessee (AA) 74.1IP 6-2 2.91ERA 9K

#79. Will Inman (20) Pitcher -- Milwaukee Brewers
West Virginia (AA) 110.2IP 10-2 1.71ERA 134K

#80. Dustin Pedroia (23) Second Base
-- Boston Red Sox
Boston (MLB) 111 Games .305 5HR 50RBI
Pawtuckett (AAA) 31 Games .191 2HR 7RBI
#81. Cesar Carrillo (22) Pitcher -- San Diego Padres
Portland (AAA) 2.2IP 0-0 6.75ERA 1K
Mobile (AA) 50.2IP 1-3 3.02ERA 43K

#82. Jose Arredondo (23) Pitcher -- Los Angeles Angels
Arkansas (AA) 60.2IP 2-3 6.53ERA 48K
Rancho Cucamonga (A) 90IP 5-6 2.30ERA 115K

#83. Chris Iannetta (23) Catcher -- Colorado Rockies
Colorado (MLB) 21 Games .260 2HR 10RBI
Colorado Springs (AAA) 47 Games .351 3HR 22RBI
Tulsa (AA) 44 Games .321 11HR 26RBI

#84. Kevin Slowey (22) Pitcher -- Minnesota Twins
New Brittain (AA) 59.1IP 4-3 3.19ERA 52K
Fort Myers (High-A) 89.1IP 4-2 1.01ERA 99K

#85. Tyler Clippard (22) Pitcher -- New York Yankees
Trenton (AA) 166.1IP 12-10 3.35ERA 175K

#86. Matt Albers (24) Pitcher -- Houston Astros
Houston (MLB) 15IP 0-2 6.00ERA 11K
Round Rock (AAA) 25IP 2-1 3.96ERA 26K
Corpus Christi (AA) 116IP 10-2 2.17ERA 95K

#87. Eric Patterson (23) Second Base -- Chicago Cubs
Iowa (AAA) 17 Games .358 2HR 12RBI
West Tennessee (AA) 121 Games .263 8HR 48RBI

#88. Drew Stubbs (22) Outfield -- Cincinnati Reds
Billings (Rk) 56 Games .252 6HR 24RBI

#89. Miguel Montero (23) Catcher
-- Arizona Diamondbacks
Arizona (MLB) 6 Games .250 0HR 3RBI
Tucson (AAA) 36 Games .321 7HR 29RBI
Tennessee (AA) 81 Games .270 10HR 46RBI

#90. Ubaldo Jimenez (23) Pitcher -- Colorado Rockies
Colorado (MLB) 7.2IP 0-0 3.52ERA 3K
Colorado Springs (AAA) 78.1IP 5-2 5.06ERA 64K
Tulsa (AA) 73.1IP 9-2 2.45ERA 86K

#91. Jason Windsor (24) Pitcher -- Oakland Athletics
Oakland (MLB) 13.2IP 0-1 6.59ERA 6K
Sacramento (AAA) 118IP 13-1 3.81ERA 123K
Midland (AA) 33.1IP 4-1 2.97ERA 35K

#92. Wade Davis (21) Pitcher -- Tampa Bay Devil Rays
West Michigan (Low-A) 146IP 7-12 3.02ERA 165K

#93. Radhames Liz (23) Pitcher -- Baltimore Orioles
Bowie (AA) 50.1IP 3-1 5.36ERA 54K
Frederick (High-A) 83IP 6-5 2.82ERA 95K

#94. Eric Campbell (21) Third Base -- Atlanta Braves
Rome (Low-A) 116 Games .296 22HR 77RBI

#95. Lorenzo Cain (20) -- Milwaukee Brewers
West Virginia (Low-A) 132 Games .307 6HR 60RBI

#96. Emilio Bonifacio (21) Second Base
-- Arizona Diamondbacks
Lancaster (High-A) 130 Games .321 7HR 50RBI

#97. Matt Maloney (23) Pitcher -- Philadelphia Phillies
Lakewood (Low-A) 168.2IP 16-9 2.03ERA 180K

#98. Jair Jurrjens (21) Pitcher -- Detroit Tigers
Erie (AA) 67IP 4-3 3.36ERA 53K
Lakeland (High-A) 73.2IP 5-0 2.08ERA 59K

#99. Colin Balester (20) Pitcher -- Washington Nationals
Harrisburg (AA) 19.2IP 1-0 1.83ERA 10K
Potomac (High-A) 117.2IP 4-5 5.20ERA 87K

#100. Brandon Jones (23) Outfield -- Atlanta Braves
Mississippi (AA) 48 Games .273 7HR 25RBI
Myrtle Beach (High-A) 59 Games .257 7HR 35RBI


Anyways, I have quite a few problems with the list, mainly that Matt Garza is ahead of Homer Bailey, and in the top 10 for that matter, but overall I think the list is pretty good. Anyways, I figured with just the AFL and little notes here and there we could all discuss this for a while.

LoganBuck
10-16-2006, 07:11 AM
Drew Stubbs makes the list? Hmmmmmmmmm........

dougdirt
10-16-2006, 11:06 AM
Ive known JP for a while and talked to him after he made their list for the Reds top 5 prospects (Bailey, Bruce, Votto, Stubbs, Cueto on his list). He is really high on tools and projectability. He kind of thinks along the lines of BA with the love for tools and projection, and dont be surprised if Stubbs is around the same place on BA's list.

Red Leader
10-16-2006, 12:09 PM
One of my favorite prospects, the Rockies Ubaldo Jimenez drops to #90 on this list. He's been pretty steady around the top 25 on most everyone's list. I wonder why? He struggled in AAA after a late season promotion, but he's still young for that league and had a very nice season in AA this year.

He pitched on the last day of the season for the Rockies and went 6 2/3 IP, giving up 3 H, 3 ER, 3BB, and 3K vs the Cubs.

edabbs44
10-17-2006, 08:17 AM
Anyways, I have quite a few problems with the list, mainly that Matt Garza is ahead of Homer Bailey, and in the top 10 for that matter, but overall I think the list is pretty good. Anyways, I figured with just the AFL and little notes here and there we could all discuss this for a while.

Garza being ahead of him doesn't bother me too much. He had an outstanding year. I think he, Hughes and Bailey are probably 3a, 3b and 3c.

dougdirt
10-17-2006, 12:15 PM
edabbs, he had a great year no doubt, but I think you and JP are the only ones that think Garza is on the same level as Bailey and Hughes.

edabbs44
10-17-2006, 12:54 PM
edabbs, he had a great year no doubt, but I think you and JP are the only ones that think Garza is on the same level as Bailey and Hughes.

1) He is one spot ahead of Bailey...it's not like Garza is #4 and Homer is #27.

2) Garza is 3 years older and pitched well in AAA. At this point, there is less risk with Garza, since Bailey has only hit AA and is still only 20. Garza is a little more projectible at this point.

So at this point, Garza might be a little better (i.e., safer) of a prospect b/c of this. But Homer has more upside b/c of youth. That's my position and I am sticking with it. :D

dougdirt
10-17-2006, 01:32 PM
I understand where you are coming from edabbs, but you two are the only people I have seen that think so highly of Garza.

edabbs44
10-17-2006, 11:08 PM
I understand where you are coming from edabbs, but you two are the only people I have seen that think so highly of Garza.

Alan Mathews from BA:

Q: Jason from L.A. asks:
Hey thanks for the chat. Just curious, whats the over under on Pro-Yankee questions? Anyways, my real question is Does Matt Garza profile more as a starter or reliever?

A: Alan Matthews: I get tons of Red Sox and Yankees questions. Sorry I can't answer them all. They're usually pretty good questions. Garza is a front-of-the-rotation starter. He has good stuff, outstanding feel for pitching and all the intangiles. It was a tough call to rank Hughes over Garza.

dougdirt
10-18-2006, 01:20 AM
Very interesting....maybe I am underestimating him....

corkedbat
10-18-2006, 10:24 AM
Stubbs @ 88? I'd say Cueto, Wood and probably a couple of others in the Reds system are better prospects than Stubbs. I'm not even sure that Stubbs ends up being the best OF the Reds drafted this year (Dorn).

dougdirt
10-18-2006, 12:35 PM
I would also put Cueto and Wood ahead of Stubbs, and did when i did my Reds top 40 Prospects. However, I see Stubbs making a top 100 list based on his defense, plate discipline and defense. Add that in with his potential and its understandable.

corkedbat
10-18-2006, 03:52 PM
I would also put Cueto and Wood ahead of Stubbs, and did when i did my Reds top 40 Prospects. However, I see Stubbs making a top 100 list based on his defense, plate discipline and defense. Add that in with his potential and its understandable.

I didn't think plate-discipline was considered a strong suit for Stubbs.

dougdirt
10-18-2006, 05:16 PM
Stubbs takes walks at a very good rate. His strikezone judgement isnt a problem, its making contact when he recognizes the pitch as a strike....kind of like Adam Dunn. Dunn strikes out a ton, but walks a ton. Drew Stubbs hit .252 this season, but he got on base at a .368 clip. That is a difference of .116, where lets take for example Javon Moran, who hit .328 this year, but had an on base percentage of .363. While Moran hit 76 points higher than Drew Stubbs, Drew Stubbs actually got on base at a higher percentage than Javon Moran did.

corkedbat
10-18-2006, 05:31 PM
Stubbs takes walks at a very good rate. His strikezone judgement isnt a problem, its making contact when he recognizes the pitch as a strike....kind of like Adam Dunn. Dunn strikes out a ton, but walks a ton. Drew Stubbs hit .252 this season, but he got on base at a .368 clip. That is a difference of .116, where lets take for example Javon Moran, who hit .328 this year, but had an on base percentage of .363. While Moran hit 76 points higher than Drew Stubbs, Drew Stubbs actually got on base at a higher percentage than Javon Moran did.

Thanks Doug!

Aronchis
10-18-2006, 05:34 PM
That is what seperates Stubbs from BJS as well. Hopefully he was just fatigued and had a slowed bat, we will find out this spring.

DoogMinAmo
10-18-2006, 05:50 PM
That is what seperates Stubbs from BJS as well. Hopefully he was just fatigued and had a slowed bat, we will find out this spring.

Yet, oddly enough, he started going on a tear towards the end of the season, and into the playoffs. Maybe it was hump or slump he had to get over or a momentary difficulty switching from aluminum to wood, or to professional ball. Not everyone adjusts at the same rate, and remember rookie ball is a very small sample size. Hopefully the slow adjustment won't happen at every level, but I am not too worried about Stubbs. He should have a breakout year next year.

Superdude
10-18-2006, 07:59 PM
Check out some of Garza's videos on the twins page DD. I knew he had a good arm, but his stuff looked REALLY good in some of those videos. He was throwing 95-96MPH with a good changeup, an upper 80's slider, and a nasty curveball. I think it just depends on how much emphasis you place on their ability to reach their potential.

dougdirt
10-18-2006, 08:45 PM
SD, I had always had Garza at the same notch as Yovani Gollardo, a level below Hughes and Bailey. More about him being much older than any of the other 3 guys I guess.

Superdude
10-18-2006, 08:59 PM
As far as prospect status goes, I'd say Bailey and Hughes edge him out. But it's sort of like Ryan Howard a few years ago. Everyone knew he would rake, but people thought it was ridiculous to make a 24 year old first basemen a top 10 prospect. I could be wrong, but I'd definitely take Ryan Howard over Chris Nelson, Brian Dopirak, and Jose Capellan right now. I agree that Bailey and Hughes long term potential make them more attractive prospects, but I can definitely see that guys point of view.