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Ltlabner
10-18-2006, 08:56 AM
What is the strangest in-game player move or decision made by a manager that you've ever witnessed?

Whether it worked out, or totally blew up, what is the weirdest in game move made?

dabvu2498
10-18-2006, 09:03 AM
Grady Little...

dfs
10-18-2006, 09:31 AM
Bob Boone doing the manegerial two step with Juan Castro and Bill Selby in ...I think it was June of 2001.

He swapped Castro and Selby between third base and second base on a batter by batter basis based on where he thought the ball would be hit. He did it for a couple of innings.

I'm not clever enough to make that up. It happened. You could hear the horror in Marty's voice as he realized the reds manager was crazy. The fact that Boone kept his job for another two years after that says everything that can be said about how low this organization sank.

Redsland
10-18-2006, 10:18 AM
Starting Juan Castro against Randy Johnson because "he's right-handed."

Bringing Donnie Sadler in as a defensive replacement in left.

Sitting Dunn in Colorado.

TOBTTReds
10-18-2006, 10:33 AM
Sitting Dunn in Colorado.

Last year Dunn and Griffey sat together in Colorado against a LH (Francis I believe).

I just read Mind Game, about the Red Sox WS season. How about every move Joe Torre did in the 2004 World Series. He looks like the worst manager in baseball (which I kind of thought he was anyway before that book). He is an expert at sitting on his hands.

oneupper
10-18-2006, 10:36 AM
How about every move Joe Torre did in the 2004 World Series.

I must have missed that series. :D

westofyou
10-18-2006, 10:48 AM
Mickey Stanley.

redsmetz
10-18-2006, 10:54 AM
I saw this game on TV, but it was a Cardinals/Braves game on 5/14/88 that went 18 innings. Whitey Herzog at one point put pitcher Jose DeLeon in the outfield and alternated him from RF to LF with OFer Tom Brunansky according to which side of the plate the batter was using. He also used pitcher John Tudor as a pinch hitter and the game finished with super sub Jose Oquendo pitching 4 innings, getting the loss in the 18th (he almost got the win!). The Cardinals used 23 players.

M2
10-18-2006, 10:56 AM
Davey Johnson bringing in both Jesse Orosco and Roger McDowell and having them shuttle between RF and the mound dependent on the batter.

Danny Serafini
10-18-2006, 10:56 AM
I saw this game on TV, but it was a Cardinals/Braves game on 5/14/88 that went 18 innings. Whitey Herzog at one point put pitcher Jose DeLeon in the outfield and alternated him from RF to LF with OFer Tom Brunansky according to which side of the plate the batter was using. He also used pitcher John Tudor as a pinch hitter and the game finished with super sub Jose Oquendo pitching 4 innings, getting the loss in the 18th (he almost got the win!). The Cardinals used 23 players.

I saw that game as well. That has to be my favorite non Reds game I've ever seen, just for the sheer absurdity of it all.

CySeymour
10-18-2006, 11:03 AM
Davey Johnson bringing in both Jesse Orosco and Roger McDowell and having them shuttle between RF and the mound dependent on the batter.

If that's the game I am thinking of that's the game where Eric Davis and Ray Knight got into it, and with several players being ejected, Johnson was really low on players. So instead of taking Orosco out of the game, he just shoved him in right and would alternate him and McDowell. When the ejections happened, he only had one position player left, and it was a catcher. So he brings in the new catcher, and has Gary Carter move to third to replace Knight.

westofyou
10-18-2006, 11:05 AM
If that's the game I am thinking of that's the game where Eric Davis and Ray Knight got into it, and with several players being ejected, Johnson was really low on players. So instead of taking Orosco out of the game, he just shoved him in right and would alternate him and McDowell. When the ejections happened, he only had one position player left, and it was a catcher. So he brings in the new catcher, and has Gary Carter move to third to replace Knight.


New York Mets 6, Cincinnati Reds 3

Day

Game Played on Tuesday, July 22, 1986 (N) at Riverfront Stadium

NY N 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 3 - 6 12 0
CIN N 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 3 14 2

BATTING

New York Mets AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Dykstra cf 7 1 1 1 1 1 2 0
Backman 2b 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 3
Teufel ph,2b 3 1 1 0 1 1 3 4
Hernandez 1b 5 0 3 0 2 0 23 2
Carter c,3b 6 0 0 0 1 2 7 3
Strawberry rf 2 0 0 0 1 1 0 0
K. Mitchell rf 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0
Hearn c 2 1 1 0 0 0 1 0
Heep lf 3 0 1 0 1 0 0 0
Sisk p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Aguilera ph 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
Orosco p,rf,p,rf 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0
Knight 3b 5 0 2 0 0 0 1 3
McDowell p,rf,lf,p 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Santana ss 2 0 1 0 1 0 1 4
Johnson ph,ss 4 1 1 3 0 2 0 3
Ojeda p 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 3
Foster ph 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Anderson p 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
Myers p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Wilson lf,rf,lf 3 0 1 0 1 0 1 0
Totals 53 6 12 4 11 10 42 26

FIELDING -
DP: 1. Hernandez-Carter-Teufel.

BATTING -
2B: Hernandez 2 (18,off Terry,off Willis); Teufel (10,off Robinson); Hearn
(4,off Willis).
3B: Dykstra (6,off Terry).
HR: Johnson (6,14th inning off Power 2 on 1 out).
IBB: Wilson (1,by Franco); Carter (4,by Willis); Hernandez (5,by Willis).
Team LOB: 16.

BASERUNNING -
SB: Strawberry (21,2nd base off Terry/Diaz).

Cincinnati Reds AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Venable cf,lf 5 0 1 0 1 1 5 0
Bell 3b 7 1 3 1 0 0 0 0
Parker rf 5 1 2 2 1 2 3 0
Diaz c 4 0 0 0 0 0 5 0
Franco p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Rose ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Davis pr 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Browning pr 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Willis p 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Power p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Esasky lf 4 0 0 0 0 2 0 0
Milner cf 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0
Rowdon ss 6 0 1 0 0 0 4 6
Perez 1b 5 0 2 0 1 0 15 2
Oester 2b 5 0 1 0 0 1 2 9
Terry p 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1
Daniels ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Murphy p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Stillwell ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Robinson p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Butera c 3 0 0 0 0 0 6 0
Totals 51 3 14 3 3 7 42 19

FIELDING -
DP: 4. Oester-Rowdon, Oester-Rowdon-Perez, Oester-Perez, Willis-Rowdon-Perez.
E: Parker (5), Rowdon (4).
PB: Diaz (9).

BATTING -
HR: Parker (21,3rd inning off Ojeda 1 on 2 out); Bell (6,5th inning off Ojeda
0 on 2 out).
SH: Venable (1,off Ojeda); Oester (4,off McDowell).
IBB: Venable (1,by Sisk).
Team LOB: 11.

BASERUNNING -
SB: Rowdon (2,2nd base off Anderson/Carter); Davis 2 (47,2nd base off Orosco/Carter,3rd
base off Orosco/Carter).

PITCHING

New York Mets IP H R ER BB SO HR
Ojeda 5 6 3 3 1 4 2
Anderson 1.1 2 0 0 0 0 0
Myers 0.2 1 0 0 1 0 0
Sisk 2 1 0 0 1 0 0
Orosco 2 3 0 0 0 3 0
McDowell W(8-4) 3 1 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 14 14 3 3 3 7 2

Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Terry 5 5 1 1 3 2 0
Murphy 2 0 0 0 2 1 0
Robinson 1.2 2 2 0 1 1 0
Franco 1.1 1 0 0 2 3 0
Willis L(1-1) 3 3 2 2 3 2 0
Power 1 1 1 1 0 1 1
Totals 14 12 6 4 11 10 1

Myers faced 1 batter in the 8th inning
Willis faced 2 batters in the 14th inning
WP: Franco (3).
IBB: Sisk (1,Venable); Franco (11,Wilson); Willis 2 (2,Carter,Hernandez).

Umpires: Gerry Davis, Doug Harvey, Dana DeMuth, Eric Gregg

Time of Game: 5:00 Attendance: 23707

Starting Lineups:

New York Mets Cincinnati Reds
1. Dykstra cf Venable cf
2. Backman 2b Bell 3b
3. Hernandez 1b Parker rf
4. Carter c Diaz c
5. Strawberry rf Esasky lf
6. Heep lf Rowdon ss
7. Knight 3b Perez 1b
8. Santana ss Oester 2b
9. Ojeda p Terry p

METS 1ST: Dykstra made an out to center; Backman grounded out
(first to pitcher); Hernandez walked; Carter was called out on
strikes; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 0.

REDS 1ST: Venable grounded out (third to first); Bell singled to
center; Parker struck out; Diaz made an out to center; 0 R, 1 H,
0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 0.

METS 2ND: Strawberry walked; Strawberry stole second; Heep lined
into a double play (second to shortstop) [Strawberry out at
second]; Knight singled to center; Santana singled to right
[Knight to second]; Ojeda struck out; 0 R, 2 H, 0 E, 2 LOB.
Mets 0, Reds 0.

REDS 2ND: Esasky struck out; Rowdon grounded out (second to
first); Perez singled to center; Oester grounded out (pitcher to
first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 0.

METS 3RD: Dykstra grounded out (pitcher to first); Backman
grounded out (second to first); Hernandez doubled to left;
Carter lined to first; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 0.

REDS 3RD: Terry singled to left; Venable out on a sacrifice bunt
(pitcher to first) [Terry to second]; Bell grounded out
(shortstop to first); Parker homered [Terry scored]; Diaz
grounded out (shortstop to first); 2 R, 2 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets
0, Reds 2.

METS 4TH: Strawberry grounded out (shortstop to first); Heep
grounded out (second to first); Knight made an out to center; 0
R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 2.

REDS 4TH: Esasky struck out; Rowdon grounded out (shortstop to
first); Perez walked; Oester struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.
Mets 0, Reds 2.

METS 5TH: Santana walked; On a bunt Ojeda forced Santana (first
to shortstop); Dykstra tripled to center [Ojeda scored]; Backman
reached on a fielder's choice [Dykstra out at home (second to
catcher)]; Hernandez singled to right [Backman to second];
Carter popped to catcher in foul territory; 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 2
LOB. Mets 1, Reds 2.

REDS 5TH: DANIELS BATTED FOR TERRY; Daniels singled to center;
Daniels was picked off first (pitcher to first); Venable made an
out to shortstop; Bell homered; Parker grounded out (first
unassisted); 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3.

METS 6TH: MURPHY REPLACED DANIELS (PITCHING); Strawberry was
called out on strikes; Strawbery ejected for arguing strike
call; Heep walked; Knight made an out to right; Santana
reached on an error by Rowdon [Heep to second, Santana to
first]; FOSTER BATTED FOR OJEDA; Foster made an out to right; 0
R, 0 H, 1 E, 2 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3.

REDS 6TH: K. MITCHELL REPLACED STRAWBERRY (PLAYING RF); ANDERSON
REPLACED FOSTER (PITCHING); Diaz grounded out (third to first);
Esasky grounded out (second to first); Rowdon singled to left;
Rowdon stole second; Perez grounded out (second to first); 0 R,
1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3.

METS 7TH: Dykstra grounded out (shortstop to first); TEUFEL
BATTED FOR BACKMAN; Teufel walked; Hernandez grounded into a
double play (second to shortstop to first) [Teufel out at
second]; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3.

REDS 7TH: TEUFEL STAYED IN GAME (PLAYING 2B); Oester grounded
out (first to pitcher); STILLWELL BATTED FOR MURPHY; Stillwell
singled to center; MYERS REPLACED ANDERSON (PITCHING); Venable
singled to shortstop [Stillwell out at second (shortstop to
second)]; hit and run; Stillwell safe on attempted force but
overslid the bag; Bell made an out to right; 0 R, 2 H, 0 E,
1 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3.

METS 8TH: ROBINSON REPLACED STILLWELL (PITCHING); Carter made an
out to center; K. Mitchell made an out to center; Heep singled
to left; Knight grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1
LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3.

REDS 8TH: Parker walked; SISK REPLACED HEEP (PITCHING); WILSON
REPLACED MYERS (PLAYING LF); Diaz made an out to left; Esasky
popped to first in foul territory; Rowdon grounded out (pitcher
to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3.

METS 9TH: JOHNSON BATTED FOR SANTANA; VENABLE CHANGED POSITIONS
(PLAYING LF); MILNER REPLACED ESASKY (PLAYING CF); Johnson was
called out on strikes but advanced to first on a passed ball;
Johnson kicked the ball leaving batter's box; Wilson
grounded into a double play (second to first) [Johnson out at
second]; Dykstra walked; Teufel doubled to center [Dykstra to
third]; FRANCO REPLACED DIAZ (PITCHING); BUTERA REPLACED
ROBINSON (PLAYING C ); Hernandez reached on an error by Parker
[Dykstra scored (unearned), Teufel scored (unearned), Hernandez
to second]; Carter made an out to right; 2 R, 1 H, 1 E, 1 LOB.
Mets 3, Reds 3.

REDS 9TH: JOHNSON STAYED IN GAME (PLAYING SS); Perez grounded
out (second to first); Oester singled to right; Butera grounded
out (third to first) [Oester to second]; Venable was walked
intentionally; Bell forced Oester (third unassisted); 0 R, 1 H,
0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3.

METS 10TH: K. Mitchell struck out; AGUILERA BATTED FOR SISK;
Aguilera walked; Knight singled to center [Aguilera to second];
Franco threw a wild pitch [Aguilera to third, Knight to second];
Johnson struck out; Wilson was walked intentionally; Dykstra
struck out; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 3 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3.

REDS 10TH: OROSCO REPLACED AGUILERA (PITCHING); Parker struck
out; ROSE BATTED FOR FRANCO; Rose singled to center; DAVIS RAN
FOR ROSE; Davis stole second; Davis stole third; Knight,
Davis, Mitchell and Soto ejected for brawl; BROWNING RAN FOR
DAVIS; Milner struck out; CARTER CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING 3B);
HEARN REPLACED K. MITCHELL (PLAYING C ); OROSCO CHANGED
POSITIONS (PLAYING RF); MCDOWELL REPLACED KNIGHT (PITCHING);
Rowdon grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.
Mets 3, Reds 3.

METS 11TH: WILLIS REPLACED BROWNING (PITCHING); Teufel made an
out to center; Hernandez doubled to right; Carter was walked
intentionally; Hearn grounded into a double play (pitcher to
shortstop to first) [Carter out at second]; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1
LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3.

REDS 11TH: Perez singled to center; Oester out on a sacrifice
bunt (third to second) [Perez to second]; Butera grounded out
(third to first); OROSCO CHANGED POSITIONS (PITCHING); MCDOWELL
CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING RF); Venable struck out; 0 R, 1 H, 0
E, 1 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3.

METS 12TH: Orosco grounded out (second to first); McDowell
grounded out (shortstop to first); Johnson made an out to left;
0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3.

REDS 12TH: Bell singled to third; MCDOWELL CHANGED POSITIONS
(PLAYING LF); WILSON CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING RF); Parker
singled to right [Bell to second]; On a bunt Willis grounded
into a double play (first to third to second) [Bell out at
third, Parker to second]; Milner made an out to center; 0 R, 2
H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3.

METS 13TH: Wilson singled to center; Dykstra grounded out (first
unassisted) [Wilson to second]; Teufel struck out; Hernandez was
walked intentionally; Carter struck out; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 2 LOB.
Mets 3, Reds 3.

REDS 13TH: OROSCO CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING RF); MCDOWELL
CHANGED POSITIONS (PITCHING); WILSON CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING
LF); Rowdon grounded out (shortstop to first); Perez made an out
to right; Oester grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E,
0 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3.

METS 14TH: Hearn doubled to center; Orosco walked; POWER
REPLACED WILLIS (PITCHING); McDowell struck out; Johnson homered
[Hearn scored, Orosco scored]; Wilson grounded out (second to
first); Dykstra grounded out (shortstop to first); 3 R, 2 H, 0
E, 0 LOB. Mets 6, Reds 3.

REDS 14TH: Butera grounded out (shortstop to first); Venable
grounded out (second to first); Bell grounded out (shortstop to
first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 6, Reds 3.

Final Totals R H E LOB
Mets 6 12 0 16
Reds 3 14 2 11

RichRed
10-18-2006, 11:34 AM
Cincinnati Reds
1. Venable cf
2. Bell 3b
3. Parker rf
4. Diaz c
5. Esasky lf
6. Rowdon ss
7. Perez 1b
8. Oester 2b
9. Terry p

If only RedsZone was around in '86 to comment on that lineup. ;)

M2
10-18-2006, 01:01 PM
If that's the game I am thinking of that's the game where Eric Davis and Ray Knight got into it, and with several players being ejected, Johnson was really low on players. So instead of taking Orosco out of the game, he just shoved him in right and would alternate him and McDowell. When the ejections happened, he only had one position player left, and it was a catcher. So he brings in the new catcher, and has Gary Carter move to third to replace Knight.

One of the craziest games ever played.

CySeymour
10-18-2006, 02:04 PM
One of the craziest games ever played.

Agreed. You'll notice that Davis pinch ran for Rose. Davis couldn't start because of a hand injury. When that spot came up, Davis and Rose were the only two players left. So Pete pinch hit, singled to center, and Davis ran for him. Then all hell broke loose...

Doc. Scott
10-18-2006, 02:08 PM
One of the craziest games ever played.

And nine-year-old me stayed up and watched every inning. Good thing it was in July.

Highlifeman21
10-18-2006, 02:10 PM
Phil Garner letting Brad Lidge pitch to Albert Pujols ever again.

dougdirt
10-18-2006, 02:34 PM
Jerry Narron using Elizardo Ramirez in relief one night, only to start him the next day.

Highlifeman21
10-18-2006, 03:08 PM
Jerry Narron using Elizardo Ramirez in relief one night, only to start him the next day.


Being at both games, that was a surreal moment. He had been announced on the scoreboard as the starter for the following day, and then in extra innings he runs out between innings to the pen to warm up, and I turned to Cyclone and Mole44 and said "You've gotta be kidding me". Sure enough, lost the game in extra innings and then got lit up to start the following night.

Exhibit 785045830 why Jerry Narron needs to go.

blumj
10-18-2006, 03:19 PM
...learned by watching
Grady Little...

justincredible
10-18-2006, 03:23 PM
I did not realize you could switch players from position to position in the middle of the game. I guess it's true, you do learn something new everyday.

George Foster
10-19-2006, 10:54 PM
You all are forgetting what happened this year against the Cards. With no one out in the bottom of the ninth or tenth, with a man on 1st and 2nd, Narron walks the bases loaded (Prince Albert)....week ground ball scores the winning run.....unbelievable..... truely unbelievable:bang: :bang:

RichRed
10-20-2006, 12:48 PM
Jerry Narron pinch-hitting Hatteberg for Encarnacion with the bases loaded against Chad Bradford, even though EdE was the team's best hitter with the bases loaded, hit righties well and was 2 for 2 with a walk up to that point in the game.

Hatteberg struck out on 3 pitches.

registerthis
10-20-2006, 01:01 PM
One of the craziest games ever played.

No kidding.


July 22, 1986: The Mets win a crazy five-hour marathon with the Reds in 14 innings, winning 6?3 (as recalled by Bill Deane). Setting the tone, Darryl Strawberry is ejected after arguing a called 3rd strike in the 5th. In the 9th, Howard Johnson inadvertently kicks the ball after Reds C Bo Diaz drops a third strike. Johnson runs out of the baseline and is hit in the back with the throw from pitcher Ron Robinson. Reds coach Billy DeMars is ejected for arguing the safe call. The Mets, down 3?1, with two out, tie the game when Dave Parker who drops a routine fly ball. In the 10th, Davey Johnson sends in pitcher Rick Aguilera to hit for pitcher Doug Sisk. Aguilera walks, but is stranded. In the Reds 10th, pinch-runner Eric Davis steals 2B and 3B, bumping into Ray Knight. Knight decks Davis and both benches empty. Knight, Davis, Kevin Mitchell and Mario Soto are ejected. Gary Carter moves to 3B, McDowell comes in to pitch, and Orosco moves from the mound to RF. With two out and a runner on 2B in the 11th, Orosco returns to pitch, McDowell moves to LF, and Mookie Wilson shifts to right. Rose protests when Orosco is permitted eight warm-up pitches. Orosco whiffs Max Venable to end the inning. In the 12th, The Mets are forced to lead off the inning with Orosco and McDowell, and go down in order. McDowell returns to pitch in the 13th and gets Tony Perez to fly to Orosco in right. Howard Johnson belts a three-run homer in the 14th and McDowell retires the side in order.

registerthis
10-20-2006, 01:32 PM
You all are forgetting what happened this year against the Cards. With no one out in the bottom of the ninth or tenth, with a man on 1st and 2nd, Narron walks the bases loaded (Prince Albert)....week ground ball scores the winning run.....unbelievable..... truely unbelievable:bang: :bang:

That might be foolish with anyone other than Pujols, but it's hard to fault Narron for that.

blumj
10-20-2006, 01:55 PM
Jerry Narron pinch-hitting Hatteberg for Encarnacion with the bases loaded against Chad Bradford, even though EdE was the team's best hitter with the bases loaded, hit righties well and was 2 for 2 with a walk up to that point in the game.

Hatteberg struck out on 3 pitches.
That's nothing, Grady Little, in a playoff game, once maneuvered himself from a Trot Nixon facing an obviously struggling to throw strikes Ricardo Rincon matchup, into a guy who'd spent most of the season in AAA, Adrian Brown, who was presumably only on the roster to pinch run, facing Chad Bradford matchup. Completely wasting Gabe Kapler in the process.

CWRed
10-20-2006, 03:07 PM
The Lizard thing was mine too. I think I blew a blood vessel listening to him losing the game the night before. Then I saw the highlights of the next day's game...and HE'S STARTING!!!!!! This convinced me that Narron is one of the stupidest managers in the game, right behind Bob Boone, alongside Dusty "I don't believe in OBP" Baker, and ahead of Grady Little (it's a close one).

DannyB
10-21-2006, 09:48 AM
Being at both games, that was a surreal moment. He had been announced on the scoreboard as the starter for the following day, and then in extra innings he runs out between innings to the pen to warm up, and I turned to Cyclone and Mole44 and said "You've gotta be kidding me". Sure enough, lost the game in extra innings and then got lit up to start the following night.

Exhibit 785045830 why Jerry Narron needs to go.





:eek:
Exhibit 785045830 why Jerry Narron needs to go.

RedFanAlways1966
10-21-2006, 06:58 PM
METS 9TH: JOHNSON BATTED FOR SANTANA; VENABLE CHANGED POSITIONS
(PLAYING LF); MILNER REPLACED ESASKY (PLAYING CF); Johnson was
called out on strikes but advanced to first on a passed ball;
Johnson kicked the ball leaving batter's box; Wilson
grounded into a double play (second to first) [Johnson out at
second]; Dykstra walked; Teufel doubled to center [Dykstra to
third]; FRANCO REPLACED DIAZ (PITCHING); BUTERA REPLACED
ROBINSON (PLAYING C ); Hernandez reached on an error by Parker
[Dykstra scored (unearned), Teufel scored (unearned), Hernandez
to second]; Carter made an out to right; 2 R, 1 H, 1 E, 1 LOB.
Mets 3, Reds 3.

Didn't Dave Parker drop a lazy fly ball w/ 2 outs (that would have ended the game) that allowed that game to go extras? Parker had kind of a "cocky way" of catching flyballs and IIRC it burned him in this case.

This inning also included THREE admitted cocaine users (Parker, Hernandez & Milner... good thing Straw got ejected earlier!) and one that we are pretty sure was a steroid abuser (Lenny).

Slyder
10-21-2006, 07:51 PM
Kirk Gibson on 0 legs in the WS.

Spitball
10-21-2006, 08:17 PM
I remember Earl Weaver listing pitcher Steve Stone as the designated hitter on his line-up card even though Stone wasn't even in the stadium. He was the scheduled starting pitcher for the next night and had been sent ahead to the next city. When it was Stone's turn to bat, Weaver sent in the real designated hitter in to pinch hit.

I never did hear Weaver's reasoning, but I'm sure he was playing with someone's head.

westofyou
10-21-2006, 08:43 PM
I never did hear Weaver's reasoning, but I'm sure he was playing with someone's head.He did it because he was unsure of who the opponent was starting, so he wanted to make sure he could get the RH/LH matchup from the DH slot. Since he did that they changed the rule, making the announced hitter bat at least the first time.

Highlifeman21
10-21-2006, 11:29 PM
:eek:
Exhibit 785045830 why Jerry Narron needs to go.

I may have missed a few. This was just a conservative estimate.

Spitball
10-22-2006, 01:16 AM
He did it because he was unsure of who the opponent was starting, so he wanted to make sure he could get the RH/LH matchup from the DH slot. Since he did that they changed the rule, making the announced hitter bat at least the first time.

Is that right? I didn't realize they changed a rule over it, but it was obvious that Weaver was playing games since everyone knew Stone wasn't even in the same state.

I also remember Ralph Houk, then with Detroit, messing up the line-up card versus the Red Sox. He made a double switch in the middle of the game and ended up losing his DH. His pitcher (his last name started with a "Mc"") had to bat, and he was the first to do so since the advent of the rule.

PuffyPig
10-22-2006, 11:14 AM
You all are forgetting what happened this year against the Cards. With no one out in the bottom of the ninth or tenth, with a man on 1st and 2nd, Narron walks the bases loaded (Prince Albert)....week ground ball scores the winning run.....unbelievable..... truely unbelievable:bang: :bang:

I think that was against the Phillies with Howard AB in extra innings in the Ramirez debacle. And the winning run came in on a well hit ball.

George Foster
10-24-2006, 12:07 AM
I think that was against the Phillies with Howard AB in extra innings in the Ramirez debacle. And the winning run came in on a well hit ball.

You are right, and wrong. It was against the Phils...my bad...and the infield had to be drawn in....week ground ball.

70% of the time Howard makes an out....still unbelievable.

TeamSelig
10-24-2006, 12:30 AM
Jerry Narron pinch-hitting Hatteberg for Encarnacion with the bases loaded against Chad Bradford, even though EdE was the team's best hitter with the bases loaded, hit righties well and was 2 for 2 with a walk up to that point in the game.

Hatteberg struck out on 3 pitches.

I was at that game. EdE also made some very nice defensive plays that game.

jmcclain19
10-24-2006, 01:19 AM
Bob Brenly bringing in Byung Hyun Kim in game 4 of the in the 2001 WS and leaving him in for 3 innings - then the very next night - bringing him in again to get shelled. This after he hadn't gone more than 2 innings in six months.

I remember being in the bar with my friends thinking - Oh my God does Brenly have a bet down on the Yankees in this series? And we all literally meant it.

First time I've ever seen a team win a World Series in spite of their manager.

goreds2
10-24-2006, 09:52 AM
Davey Johnson bringing in both Jesse Orosco and Roger McDowell and having them shuttle between RF and the mound dependent on the batter.


I think Whitey Herzog used to do this also. (VERY COOL)