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Redsfan08
10-22-2006, 06:58 PM
something I wonder I mean a-rod isn't very good defesively neither is ee but at ss a-rod was one of the best defensively so does anyone think ee could be a good ss.

Redsfan08
10-22-2006, 07:17 PM
I guess im the only one who thinks so.

Will M
10-22-2006, 07:20 PM
no

George Anderson
10-22-2006, 07:44 PM
no

No and another No!!

Degenerate39
10-22-2006, 08:27 PM
No and another No!!

No no another no

TOBTTReds
10-22-2006, 08:54 PM
wow. I personally think it would be worth a shot. Although i dont think his range would be very good, but it would be better if Rich stayed (move him to 3rd). Edwin played SS his entire life til Dayton I believe. I wouldn't mind him at 2B either, and BP as SS.

Will M
10-22-2006, 09:01 PM
a lot of major league players played SS in high school. good athletes play ss or cf in high school. however EE is NOT a major league SS. if he fixes his throwing problems he could be a very good major league 3B. his reflexes are good.

Willy
10-22-2006, 09:22 PM
He range is ranked among the worst at third, so no it wouldn't be a good idea.

reds44
10-22-2006, 09:23 PM
It depends how big he gets. Right now I think he could do it, but who knows how big he will get.

Honestly, he needs to master his throwing before we think about moving him to SS though.

reds44
10-22-2006, 09:24 PM
He range is ranked among the worst at third, so no it wouldn't be a good idea.
He is? Where did you see/hear that? I, and many others on this board have been under the impression that he has excellent range.

TeamSelig
10-22-2006, 10:16 PM
I think he could do it, but I'd rather not try.

Betterread
10-22-2006, 10:37 PM
He was given numerous opportunities to play SS in the low minors (I seem to recall that it was when he was jumped from low A to AA), and he struggled, and it affected his hitting.
Maybe RF is worth trying?

WMR
10-22-2006, 10:44 PM
He range is ranked among the worst at third, so no it wouldn't be a good idea.

Hmm, no. His range is among the BEST in the majors.

The kid flat out covers some MAJOR real estate at the hot corner.

KronoRed
10-22-2006, 11:04 PM
Can Kearns move to 3rd?


Oh wait..wrong year :devil:

captainmorgan07
10-22-2006, 11:32 PM
nope if he's goin anywhere it's first

TOBTTReds
10-22-2006, 11:51 PM
nope if he's goin anywhere it's first

I actually don't mind this idea IF he plays poorly after this year at 3B. I think he would be a gold glove quality 1B. But what do you do with Votto? EdE won't be a 1B bc of that.

TeamSelig
10-23-2006, 12:16 AM
Moving him to first would ruin his biggest asset (range)

RedsManRick
10-23-2006, 12:18 AM
Gary Sheffield came up a SS too...

paulrichjr
10-23-2006, 10:06 AM
He range is ranked among the worst at third, so no it wouldn't be a good idea.

Anyone who says this has never watched him play in person. I know that eyes can be deceptive to stat guys and that stats don't lie and all but his range is obvious. In fact I totally believe that his errors are more than made up for by his tremendous range.

Falls City Beer
10-23-2006, 10:40 AM
Train your eyes for judging defense. Compare players. And you will learn that EE has tremendous range, a strong arm, and good hands. No reason to mess with a sure thing at third.

cincy09
10-23-2006, 10:59 AM
not a chance, why mess with a good thing at 3rd?

TOBTTReds
10-23-2006, 11:15 AM
If he is ranked low in range at 3rd, which I don't imagine he is, it is probably be because he hasn't been making a lot of the plays that I expect a 2nd or 3rd year Edwin will. 3B is one tough cookie for a young player.

reds44
10-23-2006, 06:16 PM
If he is ranked low in range at 3rd, which I don't imagine he is, it is probably be because he hasn't been making a lot of the plays that I expect a 2nd or 3rd year Edwin will. 3B is one tough cookie for a young player.
He's not.

His range factor at third was 2.43 (against a league average of 2.37).

steig
10-23-2006, 06:19 PM
It seems to me that a lot of EE's errors at 3rd are when he has to hurry on his throws. I would think that he would have to rush more throws from short and he would end up hitting far to many fans in the seats. Then again the Reds could turn it into some form of promotion for the fans...Catch a EE throw cleanly and win a beer or set up drinks on the dug out and see how many he can knock over in a game like he was at a state fair.

Willy
10-23-2006, 06:50 PM
He's not.

His range factor at third was 2.43 (against a league average of 2.37).

Actually I have him at 2.62 which would rank him 13th out of 20 Third basemen who qualified.

And his Zone Rating(The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc.) he ranked 18th out of 20.

None of these stats show him as having "Great" range.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?groupId=9&season=2006&seasonType=2&split=81&sortColumn=rangeFactor

wheels
10-23-2006, 06:56 PM
I just don't understand the idea of moving him anywhere.

So you take away a future defensive asset, moving him from his fimiliar position, and replace him with...What?

An aging, range challenged vet?

An expensive FA/trade accquisition?

None of the options make sense, nor does the rationale for moving him.

KronoRed
10-23-2006, 06:57 PM
Moving EE now would be one of the more foolish things the Reds have done in a long time.

wheels
10-23-2006, 07:02 PM
Moving EE now would be one of the more foolish things the Reds have done in a long time.

And yet some address it as given fact that it is going to happen.

That scares me because it seems the Reds are managed by a very populist gentleman.

cincyinco
10-24-2006, 02:59 AM
Train your eyes for judging defense. Compare players. And you will learn that EE has tremendous range, a strong arm, and good hands. No reason to mess with a sure thing at third.

Exactly FCB. I think sometimes in this era of ball fan's can forget just how truly valuable and rare a truely excellent 3b is. I mean, in recent years we have Arod, Chavez, Wright, Rolen, Ramirez, perhaps even if you consider Caberera - that you forget before that time there were how many true great players at the hot corner? Schmidt and Brett? Sabo? :p:

Ron Madden
10-24-2006, 04:02 AM
Far too often stats are misunderstood. Most of us look to the ones that we were brought up to believe hold more value than they really do.

We have always over valued fielding percentage and frowned on errors.These numbers however fall short in telling us the complete story.

Not to say an error is ever a good thing but it is wrong to brand any young player that makes a few errors as a bad defensive player.

I've said for the past three years that EE will be the best Reds third baseman in recent history and I still Believe that.

I hope and pray that Narron and Kriviski will have the patience to give Edwin the playing time to prove himself at 3B.