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reds44
10-24-2006, 05:48 PM
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061024/SPT04/610240416/1062/SPT


The Reds' tango with Rich Aurilia this offseason is sounding a lot like last year's.

Aurilia and the Reds have a mutual option, as they did last year. Aurilia wants an everyday spot in the lineup, as he did last year. The Reds don't sound ready to commit to that, as they weren't last year.

Last year, the Reds and Aurilia kept dancing until Jan. 8 - the last day they could sign him.


One big difference is Wayne Krivsky now is the general manager. He may not want to prolong the negotiations like Dan O'Brien did.

"You'd like to have an answer one way or another for planning purposes," Krivsky said.

The $2 million mutual option must be exercised within 10 days of the end of the World Series.

Last year, both sides agreed not to exercise the option. But the Reds offered Aurilia arbitration. He rejected it. That allowed Aurilia to speak with other teams, while keeping open the possibility of returning to the Reds.

It sounds like Aurilia would like to do that again.

"In the back of Richie's mind he's always thinking: Do I have a position?" his agent, Barry Axelrod, said. "He's pondering that. It's not a fatal thing."

For the Reds to offer Aurilia an everyday spot, they likely would move Brandon Phillips to shortstop and start Aurilia at second base.

Krivsky would not even say if the Reds want to exercise the option.

"I can't talk about that," Krivsky said.

The Reds ended up being the only club to promise Aurilia substantial playing time, and he ended up signing for $1.3 million.

He responded with a fantastic year. He hit .300 with 23 home runs and 70 RBI. He started 37 games at first base, four games at second, 39 at third, 25 at shortstop and one at designated hitter.

"He had no complaint about his playing time," Axelrod said. "It was uncertainty of where he was going to play."

Aurilia and manager Jerry Narron had words late in the season, Axelrod said, after Aurilia came in expecting to start one day and was not in the lineup.

"There was a moment of confusion," Axelrod said. "It was the kind of thing that happens all the time in club- houses that no one knows about. It was a silly misunderstanding. It won't affect anything."

DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT overpay for Rich Aurilia. If he doesn't want to exercise his part of the option, then let him go somewhere else and play.

KronoRed
10-24-2006, 05:51 PM
"He had no complaint about his playing time," Axelrod said. "It was uncertainty of where he was going to play."

Wait, not only does he want to play everyday he wants to be the decider of where?

Come on Reds..let someone else have him.

Hoosier Red
10-24-2006, 05:58 PM
Oh lighten up Krono,

Yes it would be nice to know where you are going to play every day. If a team offers him that, he'll sign elsewhere. If not, he'll probably come back here.

But lets try not to make any more of a mountain out of a molehill then absolutely necessary.

Reds4Life
10-24-2006, 06:00 PM
I doubt he comes back. He'll want to at least test the market, just to drive his price up, and some team will probably be willing to over pay for him. He's mentioned going back to San Fran, there were also rumblings of the Mets being interested.

redsrule2500
10-24-2006, 06:50 PM
Why are so many still anti-Aurilla? He was easily in the top offensive players on the team (if not the best...)

Heath
10-24-2006, 08:30 PM
I doubt he comes back. He'll want to at least test the market, just to drive his price up, and some team will probably be willing to over pay for him. He's mentioned going back to San Fran, there were also rumblings of the Mets being interested.

On the SI.com - Truth & Rumors site, the NY Daily News said that the Mets wanted Aurilia as their everyday 2b. Ironically, the Mets do play in Flushing.


I feel a song coming on....Hey, it's Frank! (Sinatra, not Pastore)

cue the band, Doc...


Start spreadin the news.
Richie's leavin today
He's gonna make a brand new start of it
In New York, New York.

These little town Reds
Will shoo him away
He'll go be a star
in New York, New York

Richie's gonna wake up
In a city that overpays
And finds the
Park at Shea
Hurts his OBP
Has no fielding range

These little town Reds
Won't miss him anyway
He'll go into a career de-cline
In Old New York!!!

If Richie can
make it there
The Mets will
take him anywhere

It's up to you
New
York
New York.....

NEW YORK - NEW YORKKKKKKKKK

Richie's gonna wake up
In a city that overpays
And finds the
Park at Shea
Hurts his OBP
Has no fielding range
Boo Bird Number Oneeeeeeeeeeeeeee

It's up to you
New
York

New York!
New York!!!

GAC
10-25-2006, 05:15 AM
Oh lighten up Krono,

Yes it would be nice to know where you are going to play every day. If a team offers him that, he'll sign elsewhere. If not, he'll probably come back here.

My sentiments exactly. If someone wants to overpay for his services then I think Kriv is more then willing to allow that to happen. Meanwhile, he is more then willing to "accomodate" him and allow Rich the opportunity to find out.

Actually, the pressure is on Rich, not Krivsky.

NJReds
10-25-2006, 09:24 AM
From today's NY Post -- he's played his last game as a Red:


IT COULD BE AURILIA IN NEW YORK
By JOEL SHERMAN
October 25, 2006 -- Rich Aurilia has a $2 million mutual option with the Reds he almost certainly will turn down. Cincinnati will still be a player for him, but the Staten Island native could be of interest to both New York teams. The Mets need a second baseman, and GM Omar Minaya signed Aurilia to his first pro contract. The Yankees need a first baseman who will make Jason Giambi a full-time DH. Aurilia and Tony Graffanino were the majors' only players to play at least 10 games at all four infield positions in 2006.

"Rich wants to play for a contender and wants to, if possible, play just one position," said his agent, Barry Axelrod. "Both New York teams qualify for what he is looking for."

Axelrod said he thinks another client, Craig Biggio, will end up bridging what is currently a financial gap and re-sign with the Astros while also getting a personal-services deal like Roger Clemens that extends into his post-career. However, Axelrod said he had spoken with Biggio, and that if matters cannot be worked out fairly, Biggio would leave the only team for which he has played and seek the 70 hits he needs to reach 3,000 somewhere else.

"He said to me that if they don't value me enough and I have to go to St. Louis, Chicago or New York to play on a winner and hit milestones, then I will do it," Axelrod said.

Jr's Boy
10-25-2006, 11:16 AM
I noticed ironically how he mentions St.Louis and Chicago,Cubs i'm sure.

penantboundreds
10-25-2006, 12:09 PM
what? both ny teams are suitors? that doesnt make sense....where is he going to play every day for the yankees

penantboundreds
10-25-2006, 12:11 PM
and ironically he never mentions the cubs or stl....that as i understand it was biggio who said he needs 70 hits to get his milestone and he basically said that to piss the astros off

NJReds
10-25-2006, 12:15 PM
what? both ny teams are suitors? that doesnt make sense....where is he going to play every day for the yankees

1st Base...w/Giambi the DH. Bernie (FA) and Sheffield (club option) would be out.

New Fever
10-25-2006, 01:59 PM
Will Aurilia be a Type A free agent?

PuffyPig
10-25-2006, 02:09 PM
Will Aurilia be a Type A free agent?

There's a problem offering his arbitration.

What if he accepts?

A SS with his stats? Say hello to a potential $5M+ arbitration award.

flyer85
10-25-2006, 02:10 PM
Why are so many still anti-Aurilla? He was easily in the top offensive players on the team (if not the best...)and is a repeat in 2007 expected or was it a near the end of his career, "career season".

If RA comes back expecting him to perform in 2007 as he did in 2006 is not a good bet. Same holds true for Hatteberg.

RedsManRick
10-25-2006, 02:12 PM
Will Aurilia be a Type A free agent?

If this winter falls under the new agreement, it sounds like there won't be FA compensation...

lollipopcurve
10-25-2006, 02:18 PM
If this winter falls under the new agreement, it sounds like there won't be FA compensation...

Same rules for major league FAs this offseason. And next year, the rules are just getting tweaked. Compensation will still be there, but there won't be as many type A or type B FAS, and Type Cs are being eliminated.

lollipopcurve
10-25-2006, 02:23 PM
There's a problem offering his arbitration.

What if he accepts?

A SS with his stats? Say hello to a potential $5M+ arbitration award.

Do they have to offer? Would exercising the team option (the option contained a mutually-agreed-to salary figure) circumvent the need to offer arbitration -- even if Aurilia does not exercise his player's option?

PuffyPig
10-25-2006, 04:40 PM
Do they have to offer? Would exercising the team option (the option contained a mutually-agreed-to salary figure) circumvent the need to offer arbitration -- even if Aurilia does not exercise his player's option?

If we exercise our option and he doesn't, then he's a FA. We would have to offer him arbitration to get FA compensation.

lollipopcurve
10-25-2006, 04:47 PM
If we exercise our option and he doesn't, then he's a FA. We would have to offer him arbitration to get FA compensation.

Thanks PP. I'd offer him arbitration. Sounds like there's going to be interest in him, and so long as the Reds don't offer him an everyday gig at one position (and I wouldn't), he's likely to turn arbitration down, yielding what could be a first-round pick to the Reds.

Aurilia had a very good year, and I grew to really respect the guy as a player. But, as they say, better to let him go one year too soon than one year too late.

Redsland
10-25-2006, 04:52 PM
I'd offer him arbitration. Sounds like there's going to be interest in him...
I don't know. He had good numbers in '05 and didn't get so much as a phone call in the offseason. Now he's a year older.

I'd be worried about a repeat of last year's general lack of interest, coupled with a big arbitration award. After all, his numbers are quite good.

Offering arbitration seems like a big risk to me. Unless the Reds get him to agree to decline the offer, like last year.

PuffyPig
10-25-2006, 06:16 PM
I don't know. He had good numbers in '05 and didn't get so much as a phone call in the offseason. Now he's a year older.

I'd be worried about a repeat of last year's general lack of interest, coupled with a big arbitration award. After all, his numbers are quite good.

Offering arbitration seems like a big risk to me. Unless the Reds get him to agree to decline the offer, like last year.

I agree with not offering him arbitration. He might take it to get the $5M payday.

GAC
10-26-2006, 07:56 AM
I don't think Kriv has any intention at all to offering Aurilia arbitration. He knows the organization will get burned after RA's '06 performance.

I think he intends to let RA put his feelers out and see who bites. And if no one does, then the mutual option is still there for him to come slinking back to. ;)

Matt700wlw
10-26-2006, 02:58 PM
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"I don't think he is unwilling to do what he did last year," said Aurilia's agent, Barry Axelrod. "On the other hand, he said to me a few times over the summer that he'd like to have at least a little bit of advance notice of where he would be playing. But Jerry Narron's style was about doing different things at different times. It did benefit Richie, but his only beef was not getting notice about where and when he would be playing."

Reds4Life
10-26-2006, 04:52 PM
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"I don't think he is unwilling to do what he did last year," said Aurilia's agent, Barry Axelrod. "On the other hand, he said to me a few times over the summer that he'd like to have at least a little bit of advance notice of where he would be playing. But Jerry Narron's style was about doing different things at different times. It did benefit Richie, but his only beef was not getting notice about where and when he would be playing."

I'm not a Narron defender, but Aurilia's complaint is a bit ridiculous. What is Narron supposed to do, send him a memo two days in advance telling him he'll be playing and what position? Get real; lineups get shuffled all the time. Shut up and play Rich, that's what you are paid for.

Spring~Fields
10-26-2006, 05:13 PM
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But Jerry Narron's style was about doing different things at different times.

I think that is known in some circles as astrology or random selection.

Heath
10-26-2006, 06:43 PM
I think that is known in some circles as astrology or random selection.

I blame Jerry Narron for breaking Raisor's computer.

It's the only possibility that exists.

Tony Cloninger
10-28-2006, 11:16 PM
The only manager who could please RA is Nostradamus.

Thanks for the quality play RA.....but you are really a boderline TO with your high maintenance demands.

You are a jack of all positions .....utility slash spot starter player.... and you seem incapable of being happy with it.

marcshoe
10-29-2006, 12:11 AM
I don't think Kriv has any intention at all to offering Aurilia arbitration. He knows the organization will get burned after RA's '06 performance.

I think he intends to let RA put his feelers out and see who bites. And if no one does, then the mutual option is still there for him to come slinking back to. ;)

...and that's not a bad strategy at all.

toledodan
10-29-2006, 01:06 AM
i think it would be a huge mistake not to bring RA back. of course we could let him go move freel to second everyday and sign a FA OF or trade for one. to take RA's bat out of the lineup next season could be awful.

Raisor
10-29-2006, 12:19 PM
I blame Jerry Narron for breaking Raisor's computer.

It's the only possibility that exists.

I wonder if I can bill him?