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Cyclone792
10-29-2006, 11:13 PM
Last offseason, we kicked off a fun offseason project to build the RedsZone Hall of Fame, which is Major League Baseball's Hall of Fame as it would be shaped by RedsZone posters. Now that we're into another offseason, we'll continue the RedsZone Hall of Fame with another series of polls and continue to add among the players already elected.

Newly eligible players on the 2007 BBWAA Hall of Fame ballot may also be included in this season's polls, meaning guys such as Cal Ripken, Jr., Tony Gwynn, and Mark McGwire will be among this year's polls. Players who received less than five percent of support last season will be dropped from this season's ballots, and finally, Negro League players will be among the players listed on each ballot.

Players from earlier eras may be lesser known among some RedsZone voters, but in the efforts of encouraging everybody to vote while also maintaining a somewhat level playing field for all eligible candidates, we've instituted a tier system for support needed to gain election ...

Negro Leaguers: Need 3/8 support
19th century (i.e. pre 1903): Need 2/5 support
Early Modern (roughly 1903-1945): Need 1/2 support
Integration (roughly 1945-1970): Need 5/8 support
Post Integration (roughly 1970-present): Need 2/3 support

Previously Elected Catchers: Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra, Roy Campanella, Gary Carter, Mickey Cochrane, Bill Dickey, Carlton Fisk, & Ernie Lombardi

Dropped From Ballot: Bob Boone, Walker Cooper, Del Crandall, Darren Daulton, Duke Farrell, Rick Ferrell, Tom Haller, Johnny Kling, Tim McCarver, Bob O'Farrell, Tony Pena, Darrell Porter, Johnny Roseboro, Manny Sanguillen, Mike Scioscia, Terry Steinbach, Jim Sundberg, Gene Tenace, & Mickey Tettleton

Vote for all CATCHERS you believe should be in the Hall of Fame. This is a multiple-choice poll so you're allowed to vote for more than one player.

For reference purposes: Major League Baseball Hall of Fame Catchers (http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/lists/pos&C.htm)

The charts below are win shares data for all candidates. In order from left to right, the columns are career win shares, five-year peak win shares, win shares per 162 games, win shares during a player's top season and the predominant era each player played in (for purposes of the tier voting system). Happy voting!


Player Career WS Peak WS WS per 162 Top Season Era
Roger Bresnahan 231 116 25.88 29 Early Modern to WWII
Smoky Burgess 172 71 16.48 19 Integration
Buck Ewing 241 98 29.69 27 19th Century
Bill Freehan 267 126 24.38 35 Post Integration
Josh Gibson --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
Gabby Hartnett 325 114 26.46 29 Early Modern to WWII
Elston Howard 203 119 20.49 32 Integration
Sherm Lollar 209 97 19.33 23 Integration
Al Lopez 173 62 14.37 16 Early Modern to WWII
Biz Mackey --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
Deacon McGuire 189 65 17.19 17 19th Century
Thurman Munson 206 111 23.45 26 Post Integration
Lance Parrish 248 102 20.21 24 Post Integration
Bruce Petway --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
Double Duty Radcliff --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
Louis Santop --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
Ray Schalk 191 84 17.58 21 Early Modern to WWII
Wally Schang 245 77 21.57 20 Early Modern to WWII
Ted Simmons 315 127 20.78 30 Post Integration
Joe Torre 315 126 23.10 41 Integration

dougdirt
10-29-2006, 11:48 PM
Josh Gibson is possibly the greatest catcher ever, maybe only bettered by Johnny Bench. How did he miss the first time around?

Cyclone792
10-30-2006, 12:12 AM
Negro Leaguers were not on the ballots last season. Some of last year's polls had well over 50 players on them, and the high quantity of players probably made them a bit intimidating to vote as it was. The original intention was to create a separate Negro League poll, but then I realized it would likely only get a handful of votes.

By including the Negro League stars in this year's polls with a smaller number of MLB players, it encourages more people to vote on them and discuss them.

FWIW, the Negro League catchers I voted for were Josh Gibson, Biz Mackey and Louis Santop.

M2
10-30-2006, 01:54 AM
Hopefully Hartnett gets in after last year's oversight. I don't think Torre gets his fair due as a player either. Combine it with what he's done as a manager and he should be a HOF lock. I'd hate to see a guy like Torre get Buck O'Neiled.

11BarryLarkin11
10-30-2006, 02:49 AM
Gabby got my vote. He should be in.

RedsBaron
10-30-2006, 07:46 AM
I voted for Gibson, Torre, Hartnett, Ewing and Simmons.

redsrule2500
10-30-2006, 01:00 PM
No Eddie Taubanessee or Joe Oliver? Psh...

IowaRed
10-30-2006, 02:48 PM
I didn't vote for Lance Parrish but I love the nickname "Big Wheel"

Mario-Rijo
10-30-2006, 06:34 PM
I voted for Gibson, Torre, Hartnett, Ewing and Munson. Munson was struck down at age 32, he was already a 7 time all-star at that point and had been a part of 3 World Series teams. A career .292 hitter .346 OBP but a pedestrian .410 slg %. He was too me sorta like a Jason Varitek w/o as much power. He has a career fielding % of .982 which is 3 pts higher than that of already inducted Lombardi.

Big Klu
11-02-2006, 12:01 AM
I really enjoyed this last year, and I'm looking forward to it this year!


I voted for:

Bresnahan, Ewing, Freehan, Gibson, Hartnett, Howard, Munson, Simmons, and Torre.

I think that Gibson and Hartnett are locks (Gabby should have made it last year), and Torre is also (if you combine his on-field play with his managerial performance).

MrCinatit
11-02-2006, 08:30 AM
Many thanks for this, Cyclone.
Last year, I did not play, as I was plotting to go to Cincy and steal all of Dan0's binders at this time.
I cast votes for Bresnahan, Gibson, Hartnett, Munson and Simmons - but there were some I was so on the bubble for. For instance, both Torre and Lopez could have gotten votes here, or as a manager. And I have always been such a Bill Freehan fan.

Cyclone792
11-16-2006, 01:45 PM
This ballot is closed, and two more catchers have been elected this season. Josh Gibson blew the doors down with 85.71 percent of the vote, and Gabby Hartnett gets elected on his second try with 55.10 percent of the vote.

This brings the total number of catchers elected to the RedsZone Hall of Fame to 10:


Catchers (10)

Johnny Bench
Yogi Berra
Roy Campanella
Gary Carter
Mickey Cochrane
Bill Dickey
Carlton Fisk
Josh Gibson
Gabby Hartnett
Ernie Lombardi

The First Basemen Poll (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52373) is still open for another three days, and the second basemen poll is not too far behind.