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Ron Madden
11-08-2006, 04:28 AM
Johnny Sain age 89 died Tuesday 11/7//06.

Topcat
11-08-2006, 06:16 AM
A legend has passed god rest his soul.

RFS62
11-08-2006, 06:40 AM
A legend has passed god rest his soul.



No doubt about it. He was a legend.

RIP

RedsBaron
11-08-2006, 06:44 AM
Warren Spahn died three years ago..."Spahn, Sain and pray for rain"-it should be raining on the day of Sain's funeral.

RANDY IN INDY
11-08-2006, 06:46 AM
A great pitcher and pitching coach. RIP.

RFS62
11-08-2006, 06:49 AM
Warren Spahn died three years ago..."Spahn, Sain and pray for rain"-it should be raining on the day of Sain's funeral.




http://www.halloffamememorabilia.com/images/products/HF-0160-A1med.jpg

MrCinatit
11-08-2006, 07:37 AM
Rest in peace, Mr. Sain. May the sun shine wherever you may be.

Great picture, RFS

Spitball
11-08-2006, 10:52 AM
I am fortunate to have befriended Johnny Sain in the late '80's-early '90's. His daughter Sheryl and grandson Wilson lived nearby and he came to visit them a couple of times a year. I guess he took time to visit occassionally with me because I enjoyed listening to his stories and philosophies. On one visit, he had just been to a card show with Warren Spahn, and he brought me several signed pictures (including the one 62 posted), a cartoon of him engineering a train pulling all the twenty game winners he had produced, and an old Sporting News article. I also have some photographs of him with my oldest son who was probably in the third grade at the time.

Sheryl once told me that she had been told that the Hall of Fame intended to induct him as a coach but planned to wait until after his death. Hmmm...I found that strange logic on their part, but now we will see.

I have recently taught one of his nieces. She had kept me informed about his stroke and nursing home life up until recently when she moved onto the high school.

Johnny Sain will always be one of my heroes and I am grateful for having been lucky enough to have listened to his stories and talked baseball with him. He and his family will be in my prayers.

RANDY IN INDY
11-08-2006, 10:53 AM
An innovator in his time when it came to teaching pitching.

westofyou
11-08-2006, 10:57 AM
Sain hated to run, pitchers loved him for that


"The greatest pitching coach who ever lived."

Jim Bouton


He coached the 1968 Tigers staff, so he was the last pitching coach of a 30 game winner.


JOHNNY SAIN

GIVEN NAME: John Franklin Sain
BORN: 9/25/1917 Havana, Arkansas
BAT: R THROW: R HEIGHT: 6'2" WEIGHT: 185 MLB DEBUT: 4/24/1942

YEAR TEAM AGE W L PCT G GS CG SV GF IP H R ER BB SO ERA RSAA
1942 Braves 24 4 7 .364 40 3 0 6 24 97 79 54 42 63 68 3.90 -8
1946 Braves 28 20 14 .588 37 34 24 2 2 265 225 80 65 87 129 2.21 30
1947 Braves 29 21 12 .636 38 35 22 1 3 266 265 117 104 79 132 3.52 9
1948 Braves 30 24 15 .615 42 39 28 1 3 315 297 105 91 83 137 2.60 45
1949 Braves 31 10 17 .370 37 36 16 0 1 243 285 150 130 75 73 4.81 -27
1950 Braves 32 20 13 .606 37 37 25 0 0 278 294 139 122 70 96 3.95 -12
1951 Braves 33 5 13 .278 26 22 6 1 2 160 195 88 75 45 63 4.22 -6
Yankees 33 2 1 .667 7 4 1 1 2 37 41 17 17 8 21 4.14 -2
TOTALS 7 14 .333 33 26 7 2 4 197 236 105 92 53 84 4.20 -8
1952 Yankees 34 11 6 .647 35 16 8 7 15 148 149 70 57 38 57 3.47 0
1953 Yankees 35 14 7 .667 40 19 10 9 19 189 189 68 63 45 84 3.00 12
1954 Yankees 36 6 6 .500 45 0 0 22 39 77 66 27 27 15 33 3.16 4
1955 Yankees 37 0 0 3 0 0 0 1 5.1 6 4 4 1 5 6.75 -2
A's 37 2 5 .286 25 0 0 1 13 44.2 54 28 27 10 12 5.44 -7
TOTALS 2 5 .286 28 0 0 1 14 50 60 32 31 11 17 5.58 -9
TOTALS 139 116 .545 412 245 140 51 124 2125 2145 947 824 619 910 3.49 36
LG AVERAGE 118 118 .500 93 25 2125 2114 1046 917 856 910 3.89 0

YEAR TEAM HR H/9 BR/9 SO/9 BB/9 SO/BB SHO WP IBB HBP BFP BK NW NL
1942 Braves 8 7.33 13.64 6.31 5.85 1.08 0 4 0 5 423 1 5 6
1946 Braves 8 7.64 10.66 4.38 2.95 1.48 3 3 0 2 1086 2 23 11
1947 Braves 19 8.97 11.77 4.47 2.67 1.67 3 3 0 4 1131 0 18 15
1948 Braves 19 8.49 11.00 3.91 2.37 1.65 4 2 0 5 1313 0 26 13
1949 Braves 15 10.56 13.48 2.70 2.78 0.97 1 1 0 4 1072 0 11 16
1950 Braves 34 9.52 11.85 3.11 2.27 1.37 3 5 0 2 1178 3 15 18
1951 Braves 16 10.97 13.67 3.54 2.53 1.40 1 0 0 3 711 0 8 10
Yankees 5 9.97 11.92 5.11 1.95 2.63 0 0 0 0 155 0 1 2
TOTALS 21 10.78 13.34 3.84 2.42 1.58 1 0 0 3 866 0 9 12
1952 Yankees 15 9.06 11.49 3.47 2.31 1.50 0 0 0 2 620 0 9 8
1953 Yankees 16 9.00 11.29 4.00 2.14 1.87 1 2 0 3 780 1 12 9
1954 Yankees 11 7.71 9.47 3.86 1.75 2.20 0 0 0 0 310 1 7 5
1955 Yankees 4 10.13 11.81 8.44 1.69 5.00 0 0 0 0 22 0 0 0
A's 10 10.88 12.90 2.42 2.01 1.20 0 0 4 0 197 0 3 4
TOTALS 14 10.80 12.78 3.06 1.98 1.55 0 0 4 0 219 0 3 4
TOTALS 180 9.08 11.83 3.85 2.62 1.47 16 20 4 30 8998 8 138 117
LG AVERAGE 165 8.95 12.74 3.85 3.63 1.06 17 40 1 39 9144 6

Spitball
11-08-2006, 10:58 AM
An innovator in his time when it came to teaching pitching.

Yes he was. Also, he invented the pitch-back and that ball with the various grips marked in colors.

westofyou
11-08-2006, 11:01 AM
BTW Sains best season in RSAA (Runs Saved Above Average) was in 1948, 45.


ATLANTA BRAVES
SEASON
1948
RSAA RSAA
1 Johnny Sain 45
2 Nels Potter 15
3 Vern Bickford 10
T4 Bobby Hogue 6
T4 Bill Voiselle 6
T6 Ernie White 5
T6 Warren Spahn 5
8 Red Barrett 3
T9 Ed Wright 1
T9 Johnny Antonelli 1
T9 Ray Martin 1


And that doesn't even make the Braves top ten.

ATLANTA BRAVES
MODERN (1900-)
RSAA YEAR RSAA
1 Greg Maddux 1995 64
2 Greg Maddux 1994 56
3 Greg Maddux 1998 55
4 Warren Spahn 1953 54
5 Bill Dinneen 1900 52
6 Greg Maddux 1997 51
7 Greg Maddux 1993 49
8 Warren Spahn 1947 48
T9 Tom Glavine 1991 46
T9 Phil Niekro 1978 46

Bronson had 41 this year


CINCINNATI REDS
SEASON
MODERN (1900-)
RSAA YEAR RSAA
1 Dolf Luque 1923 66
2 Bucky Walters 1939 58
3 Noodles Hahn 1902 47
4 Dolf Luque 1925 45
5 Jose Rijo 1993 44
6 Bucky Walters 1940 42
T7 Ewell Blackwell 1950 41
T7 Bronson Arroyo 2006 41
T9 Noodles Hahn 1904 37
T9 Bob Purkey 1962 37
T9 Ewell Blackwell 1947 37

RANDY IN INDY
11-08-2006, 11:01 AM
Sain should be recognized in the Hall as a coach. Absolutely.

Spitball
11-08-2006, 11:10 AM
He coached the 1968 Tigers staff, so he was the last pitching coach of a 30 game winner.

And he coached an incredible number of twenty game winners, many of whom had been very mediocre types before his magic was performed. I can't remember all without looking at that cartoon but some were Whitey Ford, Jim Bouton, Mudcat Grant, Jim Perry, Dave Boswell, Dean Chance, Jim Kaat, Earl Wilson, Denny McLain, Clyde Wright, Wilber Wood, and Stan Bahnsen.

Also, Leo Mazzone gives him credit for much of his success.

Gallen5862
11-08-2006, 11:15 AM
RIP Johnny Sain!

cumberlandreds
11-08-2006, 11:19 AM
RIP Johnny Sain. Even though he was before my time he brought us one the most unforgettable lyrics of all time; "Spahn and Sain and pray for rain." I didn't know he was held in such high regard as a pitching coach. Going by what ever,one is saying he should be in the HOF. Looking at his record, he was one of many who may have lost some his best playing days to WWII or he would have been in the HOF as a player.

Spitball
11-08-2006, 07:54 PM
Also, until Dennis Eckersley repeated the feat, he was the only pitcher to win twenty games in one season and lead the league in saves in another.

Phhhl
11-08-2006, 08:22 PM
If they are going to induct figures for their coaching abilities, he should certainly be in the Hall. To intentionally wait until the man is gone, however, would be one of the most pea-brained ideas I have ever heard.

RIP Johnny Sain.

Spitball
11-10-2006, 07:24 PM
I got a visit today after school from his teary eyed niece who came over from the senior high school to see if I'd heard the news. It sounds as though the passing was a blessing due to his seriously deteriorated condition. According to the niece, he will be buried in Havana, Arkansas, but there will also be services in Chicago.