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westofyou
11-08-2006, 04:15 PM
Below is the Reds runs vs the league and ERA vs the league by decade.

Currently the Reds have had four straight decades with winning records, prior to the 60's the Reds had one decade with a winning record (the 1920's) since they began to approach the game from the offense out they have had a winning record as a franchise, even despite have a below or near league average in team ERA.

One thing's for sure, as important as pitching is you still need offense and the span from 1922-1938 colors both the 20's and the 30's with the worst era of Reds baseball, one completly void of both great pitching and a even a hint at passable offensen a hitting era. That ear like this past few years was colored with multiple owner changes, team money issues and a barren pipeline for talent, add in the massive build up of offense that the Reds missed the boat on and you get a span when teh teams record was 711-971 -.423

The Reds are currently on their worst decade of pitching in team history, bar none, since 2001 the teams record is 442-530 - .455 with a 4.85 team ERA.


1900-1910
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RUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AVG OBA SLG
1 Reds 145 6855 6710 .257 .317 .337
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ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE W L PCT
1 Reds -.03 2.91 2.88 780 848 .479
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1911-1920
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RUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AVG OBA SLG
1 Reds -23 5852 5875 .260 .320 .340
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ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE W L PCT
1 Reds -.02 2.99 2.97 724 771 .484
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1921-1930
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RUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AVG OBA SLG
1 Reds -695 6820 7515 .284 .340 .386
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ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE W L PCT
1 Reds 0.43 3.70 4.14 775 759 .505
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1931-1940
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RUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AVG OBA SLG
1 Reds -495 6440 6935 .266 .321 .372
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ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE W L PCT
1 Reds 0.05 3.81 3.86 705 824 .461
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1941-1950
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RUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AVG OBA SLG
1 Reds -756 5933 6689 .250 .314 .348
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ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE W L PCT
1 Reds 0.07 3.66 3.73 733 803 .477
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1951-1960
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RUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AVG OBA SLG
1 Reds 179 6999 6820 .261 .328 .403
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ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE W L PCT
1 Reds -.19 4.13 3.94 742 798 .482
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1961-1970
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RUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AVG OBA SLG
1 Reds 653 7202 6549 .264 .321 .403
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ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE W L PCT
1 Reds -.04 3.63 3.59 895 715 .556
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1971-1980
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RUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AVG OBA SLG
1 Reds 923 7457 6534 .262 .336 .396
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ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE W L PCT
1 Reds 0.04 3.58 3.62 940 670 .584
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1981-1990
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RUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AVG OBA SLG
1 Reds 3 6417 6414 .253 .319 .377
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ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE W L PCT
1 Reds -.14 3.79 3.65 783 781 .501
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1991-2000
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RUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AVG OBA SLG
1 Reds 232 7296 7064 .265 .333 .417
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ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE W L PCT
1 Reds 0.03 4.12 4.15 803 752 .516
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2001-2006
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RUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AVG OBA SLG
1 Reds -34 4457 4491 .255 .330 .420
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ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE W L PCT
1 Reds -.55 4.85 4.30 442 530 .455
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Wheelhouse
11-08-2006, 04:24 PM
Interesting post. But ouch.

M2
11-08-2006, 04:32 PM
Hey, it only feels like the worst decade in franchise history because it is.

MrCinatit
11-08-2006, 07:58 PM
This is one power of tradition I could live without. :p:

Aronchis
11-08-2006, 08:54 PM
This is one power of tradition I could live without. :p:

Well it is our tradition:mooner:

Get a fluke 95 win season and we will be about around all the other ugly decades. A tradition for sure.

macro
11-09-2006, 02:00 AM
...and that would explain why some folks here are so cynical...

westofyou
11-09-2006, 11:35 AM
Speaking of stink.


http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/baseball/mlb/kansas_city_royals/15955035.htm



Pitcher of the year? In KC?
JOE POSNANSKI
The Kansas City Star
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A few years ago a reporter told me a story I’ve since forgotten. Along the way, though, he mentioned that he had covered the Great Alaska Shootout and he had to vote for a first and second all-star team. This haunted me for weeks — this idea that there was a second-team All-Great Alaska Shootout.

That, I thought, was as low as a sports award could go. I was wrong.

Tuesday, the Royals named Mark Redman as their 2006 Pitcher of the Year.

I’m not here to argue whether or not Redman, with his 5.71 ERA (third-worst in the American League for pitchers with more than 25 starts) is more or less deserving of the award than, say, Luke Hudson, who wowed them with a 7-6 record and a 5.12 ERA (best among Royals starters!) or Joe Nelson, who buttoned down nine of 10 save opportunities and will come to camp next year just hoping to win a major-league job.

No, it’s quite clear that none of them deserved it. The 2006 Royals plainly did not have a pitcher of the year. They did not have a pitcher you could cheer. They did not have a pitcher persevere. They did not have a pitcher worth a beer.

The Royals had their worst pitching staff ever, and that’s saying something. They had a 5.65 ERA, highest in team history. That lovely ERA was also fourth-highest in the American League the last fifty years, not counting seasons shortened by strikes. If you want to count those strike years, the Royals had the sixth-highest ERA in the last 50 years, which doesn’t sound much better.

There are so many horrifying and yet mesmerizing pitching numbers to look at — to repeat my personal favorite, 13 different pitchers started more than five games for these Royals. All 13 had ERAs higher than 5.00. No one will ever break that record. But there are plenty of other glorious stats to consider. For example, the Royals starters allowed hitters a .492 slugging percentage. This was higher than Derek Jeter’s slugging percentage, and he’s probably going to win the American League MVP award.

Then, there was the team’s 6.96 ERA in the daytime. That’s probably a record. In 46 day games — and this is really quite incredible — Royals pitchers allowed 86 home runs. Fortunately, the Royals’ pitches were slightly more difficult to pick up under the lights (the Royals’ night ERA was a more sane 5.17) or else Kansas City might have become the first team in baseball history to give up 300 home runs in a season.

The Royals had an ERA higher than 5.00 every single month of the season. That’s consistency. The relievers blew 31 saves, a new team record. The Royals gave up 10 runs or more 13 times — I’m just going to assume that’s a lot.

Of course, none of this is new. We’ve already done the, “It’s hard to believe how bad the Royals pitching has been” column. So why bring it up now?

Well, that’s the point: We bring it up now because on Tuesday the Royals named Mark Redman as Pitcher of the Year. They sent out a press release and everything. They set up a teleconference with the guy. I mean, no offense to Redman — he was as deserving as anyone — but this is an award just begging to be mocked. You don’t celebrate one of the worst pitching years in baseball history. You don’t give an award to a starter who allowed hitters a .307 batting average. You stay quiet and hope everybody just forgets.

You know the story of how Bill Snyder walked into the Kansas State football offices in 1989 and the first thing he saw was the Wildcats’ runner-up trophy from the 1982 Independence Bowl. The first thing Snyder said was: “Get rid of that thing.” The last thing he wanted was a daily reminder of how awful Kansas State football had been.

The Royals need to follow that path. They need to act like the last 10 years of pitiful pitching never happened. There are many reasons why the Royals have been the worst team in baseball over the least decade or so — money, incompetence, injuries, bad trades, bad luck, bad decisions and Juan Gone come to mind. But the A-No. 1, king-of-the-hill, top-of-the-list reason-for-failure is the Royals’ extreme inability to find, buy, scout, draft, develop, steal, luck into or otherwise secure pitching.

This is the biggest problem facing new general manager Dayton Moore. He couldn’t have been too happy when the Royals spent Tuesday honoring Mark Redman as Pitcher of the Year. That was like the Independence Bowl runner-up trophy staring him in the face. Moore can’t blame me, though. I voted for Bret Saberhagen.

texasdave
11-09-2006, 12:26 PM
Hey, it only feels like the worst decade in franchise history because it is.

I'd say the 1930's was the worst decade. At least up until this point. Of course the 30's redeemed themselves big-time with a World Series victory in 1939.

1930 59-95
1931 58-96
1932 60-94
1933 58-94
1934 52-99
1935 68-85
1936 74-80
1937 56-98
1938 82-68
1939 97-57

During this decade the Reds finished in last place five out of ten seasons. They finished this decade 202 games under .500; with a W/L record of
664/866. This works out to a winning percentage of .434.

It was not all gloom and doom as the Reds did have some memorable moments during the 1930's. In 1934 Powell Crosby bought the team and renamed the stadium after himself. In 1935 the Reds changed the baseball landscape by playing the first night game on May 24th. In seven night games that year the Reds drew an average crowd of 18,000. In day games they drew an average of 4,600. Cha-ching! During the flooding of 1937 Reds' pitchers Gene Schott and Lee Grissom rowed a boat over the centerfield wall. The year 1938 brought back-to-back no-hitters by Johnny Vander Meer. The decade culminated with Reds winning the World Series in 1939.

RedsBaron
11-09-2006, 01:38 PM
The Reds won the 1939 NL pennant, but were swept in the Series by the Yankees. The following year the 1940 Reds won 100 games, the NL pennnant, and the World Series in seven games over the Tigers.

texasdave
11-09-2006, 03:41 PM
The Reds won the 1939 NL pennant, but were swept in the Series by the Yankees. The following year the 1940 Reds won 100 games, the NL pennnant, and the World Series in seven games over the Tigers.

Oops, my bad.

redsrule2500
11-11-2006, 08:30 PM
Wow, 30s do look terrible. The 1930-37 stretch! :barf:

Blimpie
11-12-2006, 01:52 PM
Posnanski is a great sports columnist. Too bad he has been buried in Kansas City for all those years...