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Spring~Fields
11-09-2006, 08:23 PM
How About Bench And Filler Help

The Reds always have guys that need days off, get injured, have slumps etc, and Narron likes to micro manage a bit, for him to be successful making his frequent changes Narron has to have guys that can be counted on.

These seem to have the ability to field different positions, and have decent OBP, SLG and might be priced right this coming season.

How about the pro’s and cons on these guys?


Dave Dellucci - 950,000 - 2006
LF,RF,CF - AVG .292 | HR 13 | RBI 39 | OBP .369 | SLG .530
Frank Catalanoto - 2,700,000 - 2006
LF,RF,INF, AVG .300 | HR 7 | RBI 56 | OBP .376 | SLG .439
Wes Helms - 800,000- 2006
1B, 3B - AVG .329 | HR 10 | RBI 47 | OBP .390 | SLG .575
Mark De Rosa -675,000 - 2006
2B, SS, OF - AVG .296 | HR 13 | RBI 74 | OBP .357 | SLG .456
Mark Loretta - 3,250,000 - 2006
1B, 2B, 3B, SS - AVG .285 | HR 5 | RBI 59 | OBP .345 | SLG .361


Would of any of them be a good fit, bad fit, help out or not in your opinions?

marcshoe
11-09-2006, 09:09 PM
Without looking too deeply, I'd say there's not a guy there who wouldn't be an improvement on the Reds bench. Personally (again, just off the cuff), I'd put Delucci and Helms at the top of the list.

Edd Roush
11-09-2006, 09:25 PM
I'll take Wes Helms and his .886 OPS in the last three years against lefties. Him and Hatteberg would make for a solid platoon over there at first base. I would like to have Delucci for a couple of years. Him and his .853 overall OPS is very solid and would make for good competition for Freel and my boy Denorfia. I like to have options and both of these guys seem to be good ones.

RedsManRick
11-09-2006, 09:37 PM
I really like the idea of a Helms/Hatteberg platoon. Didn't catalanatto used to play 2B?

mth123
11-09-2006, 10:04 PM
I like Helms. Delucci isn't as good w/o regular at bats.

VI_RedsFan
11-09-2006, 10:06 PM
Give me Helms and Dellucci and I'll be happy. If not Dellucci, then Catalanotto would be nice too.

Spring~Fields
11-09-2006, 10:30 PM
Didn't catalanatto used to play 2B?

Your right.
His career stats indicate that he has played some 1st, 2nd, 3b, most recent seasons, RF and LF. I don't see many errors so in addition to his bat he must be a good fielder, I don't know anything about his range or if he gets to the balls he should.

MississippiRed
11-10-2006, 12:27 AM
How About Bench And Filler Help


Dave Dellucci - 950,000 - 2006
LF,RF,CF - AVG .292 | HR 13 | RBI 39 | OBP .369 | SLG .530
Frank Catalanoto - 2,700,000 - 2006
LF,RF,INF, AVG .300 | HR 7 | RBI 56 | OBP .376 | SLG .439
Wes Helms - 800,000- 2006
1B, 3B - AVG .329 | HR 10 | RBI 47 | OBP .390 | SLG .575
Mark De Rosa -675,000 - 2006
2B, SS, OF - AVG .296 | HR 13 | RBI 74 | OBP .357 | SLG .456
Mark Loretta - 3,250,000 - 2006
1B, 2B, 3B, SS - AVG .285 | HR 5 | RBI 59 | OBP .345 | SLG .361




This is good work. I like any of these guys. Catalanoto could start at 2B if BP goes to SS. I like Delucci a lot even thought he played college ball at Ole Miss. He could play RF for me every day. All he does is hit. The others appear to be good players for the money as well. Loretta is the most iffy of the bunch, I think.

George Anderson
11-10-2006, 12:32 AM
I'm not sure who this Filler guy is but I think Bench is to old to still play!!:D

Highlifeman21
11-10-2006, 10:58 AM
Delluci, Helms and Catalonotto are all significant upgrades for our ballclub.

Helms would be at 1B, Frank the Cat would be a better super sub than Ryan Freel, and Delluci would most likely man a corner OF spot on a regular basis.

The problem is, we won't get all three of these at the same time, so if the gun was to my head and I had to pick, I gotta go with Frank the Cat and stick him at 2B with Phillips at SS.

Redsland
11-10-2006, 10:58 AM
...Narron likes to micro manage a bit, for him to be successful making his frequent changes Narron has to have guys that can be counted on.
Or, perhaps the solution is to populate the bench with such dismal fodder that Narron is forced to stick with the starters.

Will M
11-10-2006, 12:34 PM
Dave Dellucci - I like him as a left fielder who plays against righties. His arm is bad so he can't really play RF. I am not sure there is a role for him on the Reds ( who already have 2 'left fielders' named Dunn & Griffey )

Frank Catalanoto - can he really still play 2B? I know Toronto had 2b/SS issues in 2006 and Catalanoto didn't play any at 2B.

Wes Helms - We have to get a right handed hitter who can play 1B. Helms is fine. Aurillia & Craig Wilson are the other free agent options.

Mark De Rosa & Mark Loretta - The Reds #1 need right now is a middle infielder. It will be interesting to see what WK does.

Spring~Fields
11-10-2006, 12:50 PM
Or, perhaps the solution is to populate the bench with such dismal fodder that Narron is forced to stick with the starters.

Been there done that already :laugh: with Narron, Miley, Boone. All good things must come to an end. Time to start winning.

RedsManRick
11-10-2006, 12:52 PM
Or, perhaps the solution is to populate the bench with such dismal fodder that Narron is forced to stick with the starters.

You mean like Juan Castro and Royce Clayton..........................?

dunner13
11-10-2006, 01:24 PM
I think delluci as a full time outfielder might not be to bad. In our park I think he could easily hit 30 homeruns. He seems to have a good bat, not to sure about his defense though.

Spring~Fields
11-10-2006, 01:31 PM
Aurillia & Craig Wilson are the other free agent options.

Mark De Rosa & Mark Loretta - The Reds #1 need right now is a middle infielder. It will be interesting to see what WK does.

I am glad that you mentioned Wilson.
I keep forgetting about Craig Wilson and of course we know about Aurilia. After reading a lot of post on RZ from those that study in depth the stats and other regarding players, respectfully, I thought that I saw something in looking at Wilson’s numbers while at the same time taking into consideration the current player resources and Mr. Narron’s management style of utilizing most of his players that Wilson also could be an asset in certain situations that come up.

Craig Wilson - $3,300,000 - 2006
1b, RF, LF, C - AVG .251 | HR 17 | RBI 49 | OBP .314 | SLG .446

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4593&context=fielding

I agree that the Reds really need to improve the middle defensively and offensively as many of you do.

Spring~Fields
11-10-2006, 01:39 PM
You mean like Juan Castro and Royce Clayton..........................?

Like you I am not real fond of these players. I can appreciate Castro and his glove but, you know the Reds have had even worse on their bench in past seasons and I am sure that many of you could write books in reminding each of us who they were, and what they produced in the loss column, maybe not loss column but they clearly could not be counted on as difference makers to the positive side.

RedsManRick
11-10-2006, 01:59 PM
Like you I am not real fond of these players. I can appreciate Castro and his glove but, you know the Reds have had even worse on their bench in past seasons and I am sure that many of you could write books in reminding each of us who they were, and what they produced in the loss column, maybe not loss column but they clearly could not be counted on as difference makers to the positive side.

It's one thing to carry a Neifi Perez or Henry Blanco (or Juan Castro 5 years ago) who are truly defensive wizards and have some value when used properly. It's another thing entirely to use a roster spot on a guy whose defensive upgrade is marginal and whose offensive contributions are abysmal.

Spring~Fields
11-10-2006, 02:17 PM
It's one thing to carry a Neifi Perez or Henry Blanco (or Juan Castro 5 years ago) who are truly defensive wizards and have some value when used properly. It's another thing entirely to use a roster spot on a guy whose defensive upgrade is marginal and whose offensive contributions are abysmal.

True. I hope that Mr. Krivsky does not keep fishing for yesterdays news and once upon a time players who have shown that they are not what they once were. He seemed to do a bit of both last year, on one hand find diamonds in the rough, then again dumpster dive for a Joe Mays or Clayton type, just for a couple examples. I think that he is a man that can adjust, adapt and learn from his experiences.