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11-10-2006, 07:22 PM
Edmonds and Cardinals agree to $19 million, 2-year contract
By R.B. FALLSTROM
AP Sports Writer
ST. LOUIS (AP) — The St. Louis Cardinals agreed Friday to a $19 million, two-year contract with center fielder Jim Edmonds, their first major move since winning the World Series.
The 36-year-old Edmonds had filed provisionally for free agency on Nov. 2, awaiting a decision by the team on its $10 million option, which carried a $3 million buyout.
St. Louis had until Saturday to exercise its option on the eight-time Gold Glove winner. Instead, the sides agreed to a new deal that calls for an $11 million salary next year and $8 million in 2008. St. Louis will defer $3 million of his 2007 salary, paying it in equal installments from 2010-19.
The deal reflects the Cardinals’ satisfaction with Edmonds’ strong performance in the postseason on the heels of an injury-plagued season that was his worst this decade.
“Jim has been a great Cardinal and one of the best players in the game since he’s been with us,” team chairman William DeWitt said. “We are pleased to have him back for the next two years.”
Edmonds shook off physical problems that dogged him throughout the regular season, leading the Cardinals with 10 RBIs in the postseason. He went a month between starts due to post-concussion syndrome and also had shoulder and foot injuries, batting .257 with 19 homers and 70 RBIs — his lowest totals since 1999.
General manager Walt Jocketty said the Cardinals would like to have Edmonds finish his career in St. Louis.
“It wasn’t a difficult decision,” Jocketty said. “We wanted to make sure he was OK. Obviously, he was in the month of October.”
Edmonds batted only .156 against left-handers, leading manager Tony La Russa to ponder at one point whether to platoon him in the playoffs. During the postseason, Edmonds needed a daily numbing injection in his left foot related to a problem caused by a bunion, and may also need minor offseason shoulder surgery.
In the last six weeks of the regular season, he made only four starts.
None of that held him back in the postseason. Edmonds homered twice in the NL championship series and his two-run double off lefty Nate Robertson provided the first runs in the Cardinals’ 5-0 victory over the Tigers in Game 3 of the World Series.
Edmonds also made several nice plays in the outfield, topped by a spectacular catch at the wall in Game 5 of the NLCS to rob the Mets’ Jose Reyes of extra bases.
Jocketty said Edmonds was “extremely happy” with the contract extension.
“He came back strong physically and played well,” Jocketty said. “The two-year extension is something we felt we wanted to try and do.”
Since joining the Cardinals in a trade from Anaheim, Edmonds has ranked in the top five in slugging percentage, home runs, RBIs, doubles and batting average among all center fielders. He has batted .288 with 229 homers, fourth on the franchise career list, and 660 RBIs in 988 games with the Cardinals.
Edmonds won a Gold Glove in each of his first six seasons with St. Louis. His injury-plagued 2006 ended that run.

Joseph
11-10-2006, 07:56 PM
I like this signing for the Reds. Eats up money for the Cards and he's basically a walking injury at this stage in his career [no Griffey comments please]. If it weakens the opponent, it strengthens the Reds.

Red in Chicago
11-10-2006, 09:43 PM
bad deal for the cards...hopefully, it will bite them in the butt next year...

Falls City Beer
11-10-2006, 09:45 PM
It's not a bad deal. All that matters is that they get production out of him next season.

Spring~Fields
11-10-2006, 09:48 PM
I like this signing for the Reds. Eats up money for the Cards and he's basically a walking injury at this stage in his career [no Griffey comments please]. If it weakens the opponent, it strengthens the Reds.

Ok, I promise no Griffey comments.

I just cannot believe that the World Champion Cardinals would spend this much money on the aging and walking injured when they could have had Bubba Crosby who plays the game right and cheap!

George Foster
11-10-2006, 11:32 PM
Ok, I promise no Griffey comments.

I just cannot believe that the World Champion Cardinals would spend this much money on the aging and walking injured when they could have had Bubba Crosby who plays the game right and cheap!

He had a great World Series....it was a reward for delivering a ring to St. Louis after 22 years.

TOBTTReds
11-11-2006, 12:08 AM
He had a great World Series....it was a reward for delivering a ring to St. Louis after 22 years.

The ring is the reward, not a 2 year $19 mil contract. I'm thrilled with this deal. I'd be furious if I were a cards fan. That would be like the Reds picking up Griffey's option for a couple years. This deal, and the Stro's keeping Biggio around helps the Reds. Plus, I'm guessing the Cards cant make a big splash in FA for pitching now too.

redsupport
11-11-2006, 01:04 AM
the difference is that edmonds has contributed to some winning, grioffey is only good for stock rises in ibuprofin

Ron Madden
11-11-2006, 05:02 AM
He had a great World Series....it was a reward for delivering a ring to St. Louis after 22 years.

:laugh: :laugh: It could be another 22 years or more before they win again if they keep making deals such as this.

mth123
11-11-2006, 09:04 AM
I think this is ok. Who else do they have? So Taguchi? There is no one on the FA market that I would want to play CF (except Drew but this deal was done before he was available). Edmonds hasn't slipped anywhere close to as much as Griffey has and comparing them is not accurate. These 2 years will keep St. L respectable until the next CF (Rasmus?) is ready.

Edmonds would be the Reds 3rd best player (EE, Dunn) and I'd take him in a heartbeat for a couple years. He isn't as bad as Griffey on defense or offense. It isn't even close IMO.

Wheelhouse
11-11-2006, 02:39 PM
Good! They are weaker now from a FA standpoint.

Joseph
11-11-2006, 05:58 PM
All I'm trying to say is they spend 8.5 million this year of their budget on Jim Edmonds who is likely to miss more time this year than he did last year. He's more likely to lose another step in the OF defensively.

Any money they funnel into Edmonds is money they aren't spending on improving themselves by making a trade for a better CFer or signing a cheaper, equally good FA option and investing that money into a better pitching staff.

It's not that he's terrible, he's beat the crud out of the Reds in his tenure with the Cards. I'm just saying he's less likely to be worth this contract than in days past.

cincinnati chili
11-11-2006, 06:50 PM
Do they expect his injuries to carry over? If not, then this is a good deal. He was an elite center fielder 2 years ago, 3 years ago, etc.

Red in Chicago
11-11-2006, 07:08 PM
Do they expect his injuries to carry over? If not, then this is a good deal. He was an elite center fielder 2 years ago, 3 years ago, etc.

i'm sure they don't expect the injury bug to carry over...i mean, who would have thought junior's injuries would have continued after 2001? paying out 19million to a center fielder who will be 37 and 38 years of age, sounds risky to me, but it's the cards, so i hope it doesn't work out...

cincinnati chili
11-11-2006, 07:30 PM
i'm sure they don't expect the injury bug to carry over...i mean, who would have thought junior's injuries would have continued after 2001? paying out 19million to a center fielder who will be 37 and 38 years of age, sounds risky to me, but it's the cards, so i hope it doesn't work out...

It's also a 2-year deal. Much less risk, and while $19 million total a lot of money, it's much less than the Griffey deal was.

PuffyPig
11-12-2006, 05:09 PM
It's not a bad deal. All that matters is that they get production out of him next season.

..and the year after.

Why not simply exercise your option and pay him $10M next season? Why committ the second year at this time, especially to player that, while still productive, is clearly becoming something of an injury liability?

I assume the second year is simply the payoff for the continuing Cards plan of salary deferral.

Falls City Beer
11-12-2006, 06:28 PM
..and the year after.

Why not simply exercise your option and pay him $10M next season? Why committ the second year at this time, especially to player that, while still productive, is clearly becoming something of an injury liability?

I assume the second year is simply the payoff for the continuing Cards plan of salary deferral.

I don't know. It seems they're only gambling this season--if he performs this season he's tradeable. If not, then yeah, they're overpaying for him; but he had, by measures other than his own career, a pretty damn good season last year--every bit the season Kearns had, and consider all the handwringing over losing him.

I think Edmonds is a pretty safe bet to duplicate this year's numbers next year.

TC81190
11-12-2006, 08:14 PM
It's not a bad deal. All that matters is that they get production out of him next season.

You are a Cards fan, aren't you?

Patrick Bateman
11-12-2006, 09:22 PM
I don't know. It seems they're only gambling this season--if he performs this season he's tradeable. If not, then yeah, they're overpaying for him;

That's the nature of the gamble; that he can't duplicate reasonable production in year 2.

The Cards already had him signed for 1 year; they could simply had gone year to year with a player who indicated he wanted to play for the Cards very badly.

cincinnati chili
11-12-2006, 09:45 PM
I don't know. It seems they're only gambling this season--if he performs this season he's tradeable.


Edmonds has 10/5 rights. Can't be traded.

But I agree with you that this is a whole lotta hang-wringing over nothing. Unless he falls off the cliff completely, he's a great player.

New Fever
11-13-2006, 01:05 AM
Edmonds batted .156 versus lefties this year with an ops. of .479 but in 2005 he batted .296 and he has an ops. of .969. Was this an injury problem or an age problem? If it is an age problem than this definitely was a bad deal because you can only bat him against righties.

11BarryLarkin11
11-13-2006, 02:02 AM
I think this is ok. Who else do they have? So Taguchi? There is no one on the FA market that I would want to play CF (except Drew but this deal was done before he was available). Edmonds hasn't slipped anywhere close to as much as Griffey has and comparing them is not accurate. These 2 years will keep St. L respectable until the next CF (Rasmus?) is ready.

Edmonds would be the Reds 3rd best player (EE, Dunn) and I'd take him in a heartbeat for a couple years. He isn't as bad as Griffey on defense or offense. It isn't even close IMO.

I know I'm likely in a minority of one with this take, but I'd take Darin Erstand in center on a contract with a low base salary (~$1M) and some incentives. I think Erstad is still a top five defensive centerfielder, which is something we haven't had in Cincy for quite some time.

Plugging Erstad into centerfield would save us a tremendous amount of the runs that Griffey allows. And, moving Griffey to left would likely keep him healthier and perhaps even more productive on offense.

If Erstad gets the bump in offensive production that so many players get when they come to GABP (Hatteberg, Ross, Aurilia, Randa, etc), then he could likely better his career stats (.286/.341/.416).

If we could get it for ~$1-2M, then I'd take elite defense in center and offensive production of .285/.341/.425 any day.

I think he'd be a very good risk/reward pickup. Even if he didn't pan out as a starter, he could be a solid bat off the bench and provide gold glove caliber defense in lf, cf, rf, and 1b.

mth123
11-13-2006, 06:56 AM
I know I'm likely in a minority of one with this take, but I'd take Darin Erstand in center on a contract with a low base salary (~$1M) and some incentives. I think Erstad is still a top five defensive centerfielder, which is something we haven't had in Cincy for quite some time.

Plugging Erstad into centerfield would save us a tremendous amount of the runs that Griffey allows. And, moving Griffey to left would likely keep him healthier and perhaps even more productive on offense.

If Erstad gets the bump in offensive production that so many players get when they come to GABP (Hatteberg, Ross, Aurilia, Randa, etc), then he could likely better his career stats (.286/.341/.416).

If we could get it for ~$1-2M, then I'd take elite defense in center and offensive production of .285/.341/.425 any day.

I think he'd be a very good risk/reward pickup. Even if he didn't pan out as a starter, he could be a solid bat off the bench and provide gold glove caliber defense in lf, cf, rf, and 1b.


Erstad at $1 Million would be ok. But he isn't an answer to rely on. He has "Chronic" type help issues like Griffey but times 100.

Chip R
11-14-2006, 07:45 PM
Do they expect his injuries to carry over? If not, then this is a good deal. He was an elite center fielder 2 years ago, 3 years ago, etc.


They made it sound like he was at death's door with that concussion thing. Now, all of a sudden he's fit enough to give a multi-year deal? I'm guessing they put more stock on his post-season performance before signing him to that deal than they did his regular season performance. Cause it sounded like he was pretty peeved they were even hesitating about re-signing him during the season.

Ron Madden
11-15-2006, 02:30 AM
Every MLB Club must face decisions just like this sooner or later.

There are as many or more reasons to just say no as to say yes.

We must remember the fanbase of any team tends to be very fickle.

The key to success for any organization depends on smart management that will stay the course in their quest to be the best, not to sway in the wind of the bad ideas of popular belief.

Redsland
11-15-2006, 09:16 AM
They made it sound like he was at death's door with that concussion thing. Now, all of a sudden he's fit enough to give a multi-year deal?
Maybe Jim gave them an overly dramatic initial report?

Nah, not his style.

;)

Rojo
11-15-2006, 05:00 PM
Why not simply exercise your option and pay him $10M next season? Why committ the second year at this time, especially to player that, while still productive, is clearly becoming something of an injury liability?

My thoughts as well. Seems like they were in the perfect place to keep a popular but aging player one year after a Championship.