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WMR
11-12-2006, 02:30 PM
28-7!!!

Bengals looking like Bengals of last-season today in this first half.

MrCinatit
11-12-2006, 02:37 PM
Where in the hell was this team the last three weeks? Did the O-Line just get off their vacation? :p:
It is very nice to see. To be honest, I expected to see this team roll over, but perhaps they have been finally getting the wake-up call(s) they needed.

Falls City Beer
11-12-2006, 02:50 PM
Where in the hell was this team the last three weeks? Did the O-Line just get off their vacation? :p:
It is very nice to see. To be honest, I expected to see this team roll over, but perhaps they have been finally getting the wake-up call(s) they needed.

I thought they'd mount a comeback; the question was: when?

LoganBuck
11-12-2006, 03:14 PM
The beat down is over. Now comes the nail biting.

Joseph
11-12-2006, 03:16 PM
I fear.

cincy jacket
11-12-2006, 03:32 PM
TD Ocho-Cinco. This game has the same feeling as the Indy game last year.

paintmered
11-12-2006, 03:36 PM
This game has turned into an old-fashioned track meet. Don't look away or you might miss a few touchdowns.

Blimpie
11-12-2006, 03:40 PM
This game has turned into an old-fashioned track meet. Don't look away or you might miss a few touchdowns.38-28 Cincy to begin the 4th quarter with the Chargers threatening...

RedsBaron
11-12-2006, 03:44 PM
Where's the D?:eek:

LoganBuck
11-12-2006, 03:48 PM
41-38

This is just disheartening.

Caveat Emperor
11-12-2006, 03:49 PM
Today's "I spoke too soon thread title of the day" goes to...

MrCinatit
11-12-2006, 03:50 PM
Once again, this team is proving why they are not ready for the big time. They do not have the killer instinct to completely put down another team.

MWM
11-12-2006, 03:50 PM
I've accepted the fact that the Bengals have an awful defense. And I know you can't win in the NFL with a defense this bad. It's honestly taken the sting out of their losses the past few weeks. I'm at peace with it.

redsfanmia
11-12-2006, 03:51 PM
The season is over for the Bengals. Turn out the lights the party's over.

Reds4Life
11-12-2006, 03:59 PM
SD had 14 points when I left, I come home and they have 42. You've got to be kidding me.

Even if we win this game they need to think long and hard about making some defensive coaching changes, this team is lost on defense.

Caveat Emperor
11-12-2006, 04:02 PM
Even if we win this game they need to think long and hard about making some defensive coaching changes, this team is lost on defense.

This defense needs to get healthy on LB -- that has really been the achilles heel of the team this season.

They also need to get a pass-rushing specialist DE to replace Justin Smith. They struggle getting pressure on the passer with their front-4, and it exposes their secondary when they have to cover for 4-5 seconds.

KronoRed
11-12-2006, 04:08 PM
What the heck? I thought Lewis was a Defensive guru?

Falls City Beer
11-12-2006, 04:09 PM
Back to the Bungles. Man, this is a loss for the ages.

Cincinnati is a joke of a sports city.

When your best products are mediocre college basketball teams, your city's on lifesupport sportswise.

MrCinatit
11-12-2006, 04:10 PM
After the cheap hit TJ just hit, this team should be stark raving mad. It should be trying to tear apart the Chargers D.
I'm not seeing it. The flame burns out way too quickly for these guys.

EDIT: And the clock management during the last few games has been horrible. In a sense, they have burned up two time outs in 30 seconds - while on defense and with more than 5:30 minutes left in the game.
No wonder this team is always rushing its last drive.

MWM
11-12-2006, 04:18 PM
I think the Bengals might have the worst defense in the NFL. It just seems like teams have absolutely no problem moving the ball when they really need to. They can do whatever they want, whever they want to.

LoganBuck
11-12-2006, 04:21 PM
They really miss Odell Thurman on the field. He was very fiery, he gave the defense a swagger. There is no personality on the D.

MWM
11-12-2006, 04:21 PM
LMAO. I think teams just toy with them on 1st and 2nd down because they know 3rd and long is automatic against the Bengals defense. It's comical.

The Chargers are about to score their 7th TD of the game without a FG. That's funny!

RedsBaron
11-12-2006, 04:33 PM
Chris Henry is probably my all time least favorite Bengal.

max venable
11-12-2006, 04:34 PM
Yeah, that Marvin Lewis...He's a defensive genius. :rolleyes:

paintmered
11-12-2006, 04:35 PM
Incomplete on 4th down. Ballgame over. Season over.

KronoRed
11-12-2006, 04:35 PM
40 points should be more then enough to win an NFL game.

max venable
11-12-2006, 04:38 PM
They gave up 42 points IN THE SECOND HALF! That's HORRIBLE. Somebody should lose their job over that kind of a performance.

MWM
11-12-2006, 04:38 PM
Sad. The Bengals has 545 yards of offense against a really good defense and lost the game.

The difference in the game? The Chargers were 9-14 on 3rd Down. That's not a typo. 9-14. That's what happens when you have no pass rush at all.

The Bengals didn't cause a single Field Goal attempt today. That's just a bad defense.

KittyDuran
11-12-2006, 04:43 PM
Sad, just sad... There will be a LOT of people at my work in a bad mood tomorrow (some who were at the game today).


40 points should be more then enough to win an NFL game.So true... no defense and it doesn't make any difference how many points your offense scores. Sort of like the Reds losing 8-10 or 10-12. 8 or 10 runs, heck even 6 runs should win a ballgame.

KittyDuran
11-12-2006, 04:43 PM
28-7!!!

Bengals looking like Bengals of last-season today in this first half.Wily you jinxed them! :(

Yachtzee
11-12-2006, 04:44 PM
If they were to fire Bresnahan after today, I'd be fine with it.

pedro
11-12-2006, 04:46 PM
That was the worst single half defensive performance I have ever witnessed in a pro football game.

SteelSD
11-12-2006, 04:48 PM
Sad. The Bengals has 545 yards of offense against a really good defense and lost the game.

Welcome to my world. Not a good place to be.

cincy jacket
11-12-2006, 04:49 PM
At one point today Cincy was up 28-7 and Bal was down 26-10. Things were looking like this season might turn back around. Next thing you know Tenn remembered who they are and LT not only ruined the Bengals season for me, but killed me in my fantasy match-up today.

WMR
11-12-2006, 04:49 PM
Wily you jinxed them! :(

That's what I'm thinking!! :(

Wow... just wow. What a bad defense. lol you almost just have to laugh it's so bad.

Reds4Life
11-12-2006, 04:52 PM
If they were to fire Bresnahan after today, I'd be fine with it.

Me too. This team hasn't had a good defense while Marvin has been head coach, and could never stop the run. After todays embarassment on national TV I'd send him packing. There is NO excuse for today, I don't want to hear about injuries either, a group of NFL players should be able to hold a 21 point first half lead.

This team is done for the year. Simply pathetic.

Reds Freak
11-12-2006, 04:54 PM
While I know none of them personally, the defense just must have no heart. I don't care what kind of position or system the coaches are putting you in, if you give up 42 points in a single half when you have a 21 point lead then you are gutless.

Another thing, I am sick and tired of seeing other teams dive at Palmer's knees or knock receivers out with no retaliation on the Bengals part. It even goes back to 2004 when Tony Williams' career ended with a dirty hit by a Bronco lineman. I'm not calling for a Bengal to end someone's career but something has to be done.

MWM
11-12-2006, 04:56 PM
It's too bad really, because the second half of last week and the entire game today shows that the offense is back.

4-5 isn't a record you can't come back from to make the playoffs. But there's just no way it can happen without a complete defensive overhaul. I'm surprised Marvin's done nothing to address the passrush in the 4 years he's been there. That was one of the hallmark's of his past defensive juggernauts. And I thought the Sam Adams move wasn't a good one when it happened, and it appears to be worthless now. The Sam Adams signing was a very Reds-esque move.

max venable
11-12-2006, 05:18 PM
And I thought the Sam Adams move wasn't a good one when it happened, and it appears to be worthless now. The Sam Adams signing was a very Reds-esque move.

I think you're right-on with that. He's not made a bit of a difference. The offense looked great (except for a couple of critical dropped passes (Housh and Henry).

Question: on the cheapshot that TJ took, why was there not also a personal foul penalty? We got the pass interference call, but they should have also tacked on 15 more. Not to get nit-picky...but those 15 yards could have made a real difference and led to a TD instead of having to settle for a FG. Just sayin'.

kbrake
11-12-2006, 05:21 PM
Not only should the there have been a personal foul, I think Mcree should have been ejected. That hit was a joke. The offense has been about the O-line all season, today they showed up and the offense was really good. The defense, wow, I dont know cant say I think it is a lack of "heart" as much as it is just a lack of talent.

wheels
11-12-2006, 05:25 PM
It's too bad really, because the second half of last week and the entire game today shows that the offense is back.

4-5 isn't a record you can't come back from to make the playoffs. But there's just no way it can happen without a complete defensive overhaul. I'm surprised Marvin's done nothing to address the passrush in the 4 years he's been there. That was one of the hallmark's of his past defensive juggernauts. And I thought the Sam Adams move wasn't a good one when it happened, and it appears to be worthless now. The Sam Adams signing was a very Reds-esque move.


I agree with you in principal about Lewis not being able to put a defense together, but they've got Smith and Geathers that could combine for over twenty sacks and that hasn't happened since the early eighties.

My big question would be: What in bloody Hades is happening on third down? It seems like it's a gimme for opposing offenses, and THAT's a scheme thing.

Maybe Marvin should pull a Billick and take over the defense.

Btw...I'm absolutely dumbfounded.

As an aside, I was at a bar today that shows all of the games, which is fun for me because I'm in a pool at the local record store and I can monitor all of my picks at this place. The Browns aren't usually on TV here in Columbus nowadays, so there are lots of Browns fans in attendance. Today it was more apparent than usual that they are just as bad if not worse than Cubs fans or Ohio State fans. They couldn't be satisfied that their team won...Oh no.
They had to cheer with as much vigor for the Chargers, openly laughing when TJ got wollaped on that cheap shot late in the game.

I'm sorry to some of the reasonable Browns fan around here, but Sam Wyche was right.

Root for your team. That's what you're supposed to do, but today was just classless. The only things missing were the milk bones.

Boorish savages.

flyer85
11-12-2006, 05:34 PM
28-7!!!

Bengals looking like Bengals of last-season today in this first half.
guess you called that a little early

Yachtzee
11-12-2006, 05:35 PM
I think the problem on 3rd and long is that Bresnahan seems to only rush 3 half the time, which gives the QB plenty of time to find a receiver beyond the first down marker. The other half of the time it seems like they bring the house, allowing the QB to dump it off to a TE or RB sitting right behind the rush. That guy always gets the first down because the secondary is covering deep. It's like they're always playing avoid getting burned over the top by the big play, so they end up giving up big chunks underneath.

wheels
11-12-2006, 05:39 PM
I think the problem on 3rd and long is that Bresnahan seems to only rush 3 half the time, which gives the QB plenty of time to find a receiver beyond the first down marker. The other half of the time it seems like they bring the house, allowing the QB to dump it off to a TE or RB sitting right behind the rush. That guy always gets the first down because the secondary is covering deep. It's like they're always playing avoid getting burned over the top by the big play, so they end up giving up big chunks underneath.

That's exactly the way I feel about it.

This is the eighties and 1990 all over again.

Brilliant offense, and sieve-like defense.

I can see John Taylor now........

westofyou
11-12-2006, 05:40 PM
I can see John Taylor now........

I was seeing a lot of Ray Griffin myself.

wheels
11-12-2006, 05:47 PM
I was seeing a lot of Ray Griffin myself.

Or Lewis Billups, or Barney Bussey, or even Ray Horton (who was actually really good. Guilt by association.).

Ugh.

This is why Baseball is my first love.

Tony Cloninger
11-12-2006, 05:49 PM
You watch the blitz on 3rd and 8.....about Bengal 40....with score 42-41?

They send everyone....and even if they don't get him...they hurry him even more.

Yet you have Ratliff running aroound before he actually goes in and the other guy stumbles....NO one comes close.....and Gates get's the ball as Joseph almost hits it away.

Story of the year.....ALMOST.....like in TB or even BAL.

The sack and fumble of Palmer....when you have J Johnson blocking Phillips and not doing a good job of it.

The block that Kelly did not maintain which caused Rudi to be stopped for a loss on 1st and 10....after driving to about the 30.

The drop by TJ on the same drive when he was open....also stopped that drive which should of at least been a FG.

Then....henry drops a pass beacuse he "feels" a defenders presence....and fails to catch it with his body.


Chuck....i would not be surprised if he WAS NOT fired by the Bengals...beacuse the Bengals make it a habit of always cultivating, excusing and enabling BAD coaches or players.... Goes back i guess to when PB was fired by Modell....so MB, i guess?? does not really like firing people beacuse it makes them feel bad.

MWM
11-12-2006, 06:02 PM
I agree with the third down defense being a scheme thing, but I think that falls on the head coach. It's been broken all year, yet they continue to go to it. I like Marvin and hope he's in Cincy for a lot of years, but he's failed the team defensively.

Anyone see the roughing the passer call againt Pittsburgh late in first half? My goodness, what a ridiculous call. It might have surpassed the call against the Bengals in the Tampa Bay game as the worst roughing call I've ever seen. Talk about over shooting the mark. I've always been of the belief that you err on the side of protecting QBs, but it's just gotten ridiculous. There was a pretty ridiculous one against Palmer a couple of weeks ago that actually helped the Bengals as well. They're going to have to fix that in the off-season.

wheels
11-12-2006, 06:03 PM
You watch the blitz on 3rd and 8.....about Bengal 40....with score 42-41?

They send everyone....and even if they don't get him...they hurry him even more.

Yet you have Ratliff running aroound before he actually goes in and the other guy stumbles....NO one comes close.....and Gates get's the ball as Joseph almost hits it away.

Story of the year.....ALMOST.....like in TB or even BAL.

The sack and fumble of Palmer....when you have J Johnson blocking Phillips and not doing a good job of it.

The block that Kelly did not maintain which caused Rudi to be stopped for a loss on 1st and 10....after driving to about the 30.

The drop by TJ on the same drive when he was open....also stopped that drive which should of at least been a FG.

Then....henry drops a pass beacuse he "feels" a defenders presence....and fails to catch it with his body.


Chuck....i would not be surprised if he WAS NOT fired by the Bengals...beacuse the Bengals make it a habit of always cultivating, excusing and enabling BAD coaches or players.... Goes back i guess to when PB was fired by Modell....so MB, i guess?? does not really like firing people beacuse it makes them feel bad.

Everything you said was right on leading up tp that last paragraph.

Leslie Frasier was fired, so was Lebeau's entire coaching staff.

Tony Cloninger
11-12-2006, 06:30 PM
Yes...that is true......but never during a season, it seems does this happen.

Heck Coslet had to RESIGN in 2000...after being 0-3 and being outscored....by almost 100 points....after horrible 1998 and 1999 seasons.

I would love for Marvin to fire CB......make himself DF..... bench James....

wheels
11-12-2006, 06:39 PM
Yes...that is true......but never during a season, it seems does this happen.

Heck Coslet had to RESIGN in 2000...after being 0-3 and being outscored....by almost 100 points....after horrible 1998 and 1999 seasons.

I would love for Marvin to fire CB......make himself DF..... bench James....

I'd definitely be on board with those decisions.

macro
11-12-2006, 07:01 PM
Does this team have it in them to go 5-11? I think they've got a real shot at 6-10. Looking at the schedule, they're at New Orleans and then at Cleveland the next two weeks. New Orleans is 6-2 and Cleveland just beat Atlanta, the same Atlanta that Cincinnati couldn't handle. Then they've got Baltimore again, followed by Oakland at home. They finish up at Indy, at Denver, and at home against Pittsburgh.

The only game that I see on that schedule that I would be comfortable calling a probable win would be the game against Oakland at home. The rest could easily be losses, although they'll probably pull out a couple of them to go 7-9.

Yay, Bengals! When does Spring Training start? :rolleyes:

kbrake
11-12-2006, 07:33 PM
I fired the Opening Day Countdown thread back up over on Old Red Guard.

WVRed
11-12-2006, 07:56 PM
The team quit once they got ahead 21-0.

I expect Marvin to put together a new coaching staff at the end of this offseason. If things dont improve, he could be the next one to be shown the door.

traderumor
11-12-2006, 08:48 PM
While it is a lot of points, the Bengals have been playing with second string LBers for most of the season. One thing that is troubling to me is that they have yet to come up with an impact d-lineman in Marvin's tenure. I'm not sure how that is on Bresnihan. A thought on Marvin and the inability to put together a D yet, perhaps the credit for his ability as a defensive coach is coaching the talent he is given to be successful moreso than choosing the personnel. Maybe he needs to do some soul searching on the type of defensive players he is investing in.

WV Red,

I really hope that was just a post out of frustration, because Marvin isn't going anywhere anytime soon. He rescued a dead in the water franchise and Mikey and Katie just adore him. That is about as likely as Tressel getting fired if they lose The Game next Saturday.

MrCinatit
11-12-2006, 08:55 PM
No, Marv should not go anywhere. There have, indeed, been too many improvements since he has taken over.
There are several more which need to be made - and they are too great to take place the rest of this season.

For some reason, this team reminds me of the Rams and Vikings teams of a few years ago. Both had great offenses, but terrible defensively. The Colts could also be put in that category.
I just hope they go more towards the Rams/Colts than Vikings, who seemed to be famous for starting great early in the season, then imploding as the weeks went by.

GAC
11-12-2006, 08:57 PM
As an aside, I was at a bar today that shows all of the games, which is fun for me because I'm in a pool at the local record store and I can monitor all of my picks at this place. The Browns aren't usually on TV here in Columbus nowadays, so there are lots of Browns fans in attendance. Today it was more apparent than usual that they are just as bad if not worse than Cubs fans or Ohio State fans. They couldn't be satisfied that their team won...Oh no.


They had to cheer with as much vigor for the Chargers, openly laughing when TJ got wollaped on that cheap shot late in the game.

I thought it was a terribly cheap shot.


I'm sorry to some of the reasonable Browns fan around here, but Sam Wyche was right.

Oh c'mon! I've heard alot of the same sentiment directed at the Browns by Bengal fans plenty of times.

During Bengal-Brown games I've been in both chatrooms, and each chatroom is filled with fans aiming classless remarks at the opposing team. It's no different. To a Browns fan, they are the Bungles, and to Bengal fans we are the Clowns. Fans are the same everywhere.

Haven't the Bengals instituted a 1-800-JERK hotline in their stadium? Why? ;)

traderumor
11-12-2006, 08:59 PM
Haven't the Bengals instituted a 1-800-JERK hotline in their stadium? Why? ;)It's for identifying Browns or Michigan fans in the stadium ;) :p:

GAC
11-12-2006, 09:01 PM
It's for identifying Browns or Michigan fans in the stadium ;) :p:

That's not what my buddy, who has Bengal season tickets has said.

A-L-C-O-H-O-L makes for strange bedfellows. ;)

cincinnati chili
11-12-2006, 09:49 PM
The team quit once they got ahead 21-0.

I expect Marvin to put together a new coaching staff at the end of this offseason. If things dont improve, he could be the next one to be shown the door.

Didn't Marvin sign something like a decade-long guaranteed contract? I don't think he's going to be shown many doors, except perhaps the doors to a mansion, a Bentley, and bank vault.

macro
11-12-2006, 11:48 PM
Marvin ain't going nowhere, and if he did, it would be a huge mistake. Sometimes it takes a few years to learn all the ropes as a head coach and get things where they need to be. Some coaches are successful right out of the chute, but many others need time. Tony Dungy, Jeff Fisher, Mike Holmgren, and Bill Belichick are some who come to mind as having only moderate success their first few years in the league, only to have everything come together later. I would hate to see Marvin leave here, only to win a Super Bowl somewhere else. I'm as disgusted as anyone with the state of affairs this year, and have felt this season tanking ever since the blowout to NE followed by the embarassment at Tampa Bay. But I do think that Lewis will eventually get everything into place to make a legitimate run at a title.

CTA513
11-13-2006, 12:14 AM
“There are a lot of unhappy people,” especially strong safety Dexter Jackson.

“We got comfortable on our side of the ball,” Jackson said. “They just didn’t quit. They wanted it more than we did.

“It’s not over. We just tell guys if you don’t want to do it, you need to get out of here,” said Jackson, alluding to the defensive side of the ball. “We let up. They didn’t quit.We had some guys quit. You score 41, you’re supposed to win that game.”



:thumbdown @ the guys Dexter Jackson is talking about.

RedsBaron
11-13-2006, 06:36 AM
Marvin shouldn't be going anywhere, but after all the talk by the announcers during the game as to how Marvin had burned the stat sheets prior to the game to demonstrate how it was a new season, what does Marvin set fire to now? A player or two?;)

traderumor
11-13-2006, 07:45 AM
Personally, even suggesting that Marvin is a part of the problem rather than a part of the solution is just crazy talk. The funny thing is, the team that beat us yesterday had a similar season to ours last year, losing close games, just seemingly unable to finish off games. Our season is going like that. Is Marvin perfect? Obviously not. But he does know what he's doing and understands what it takes to build a winning franchise. How soon we forget the 90s, I guess.

I'm not sure about the "quitting" thing. I'm sure they have some basis for making such charges from what they saw happening, but I honestly think that is a lame excuse for the D that simply does not have enough talent to stop NFL offenses.

GAC
11-13-2006, 08:30 AM
Firing who, what, when, how?

Are we still talking Bengals, or is it Reds now. ;)

Marvin Lewis ain't going anywhere. Your defensive coordinator might though.

I still say key injuries to the defense (and suspensions) is what has hurt the Bengals. Plus, I don't think Palmer, though he had a good day yesterday, is still 100%.

Take some deep cleansing breathes. Do some deep knee bends and/or yoga exercises. Your team is gonna be O.K. ;)

RFS62
11-13-2006, 08:32 AM
Ocho Sucko?

GAC
11-13-2006, 08:38 AM
Ocho Sucko?

You better have your helmet on buddy, because you're gonna get bombed! :lol:

http://www.rowanandmartinslaughin.com/wolfgang.jpg



Chad's 260 receiving yards yesterday was a Bengal's single-game record. ;)

WMR
11-13-2006, 10:39 AM
Keep Marvin.

FIRE CHUCK.

Dom Heffner
11-13-2006, 03:42 PM
losing close games, just seemingly unable to finish off games.

This game should not have ever been in the "close" category. They didn't have to only finish it off, they just had to play average football in the second half.

The season was over yesterday- if not after the New England game. There are some serious problems, many of which are nobody's fault other than luck (injuries to many key players).

When I looked at the schedule before the season, I thought the Bengals would be lucky to be .500. Our whole division is really struggling with the schedule. Early on the Bengals looked like they could hang with anybody and after a 4-0 start, they just had to play .500 the rest of the way to be in contention.

Now that's in the crapper and we can look forward to next season. Anybody know which division we play next year? Hopefully it isn't worse than this what we have to play this year.

Matt700wlw
11-13-2006, 03:49 PM
2007:

Home to Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore, Patriots, Jets, Arizona, and St. Louis

Road games at Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore, Buffalo, Miami, San Francisco, and Seattle.

The final 2 games will be based on where the Bengals finish.

macro
11-13-2006, 03:49 PM
Now that's in the crapper and we can look forward to next season. Anybody know which division we play next year? Hopefully it isn't worse than this what we have to play this year.

They play the AFC East and the NFC West. Here are their opponents, with current record in parentheses. The two "TBA" games will be against the teams from the AFC South and AFC West that finish in the same position in their division standings as the Bengals.

HOME:

Pittsburgh (3-6)
Cleveland (3-6)
Baltimore (7-2)
New England (6-3)
New York Jets (5-4)
Arizona (1-8)
St Louis (4-5)
TBA

ROAD:

Pittsburgh (3-6)
Cleveland (3-6)
Baltimore (7-2)
Buffalo (3-6)
Miami (3-6)
San Francisco (4-5)
Seattle (6-3)
TBA

Heath
11-13-2006, 03:51 PM
whoops - should be the name of this thread.

Wow - San Diego - they might be thinking Super Bowl. But, they do have Marty Schottenheimer as coach. And, there is Denver in their division. :D

Tony Cloninger
11-13-2006, 03:57 PM
The problem is this team's history in regards to how it fixes things and problems.

This can be like 1987.....where the whole team bickered and pointed fingers and lost games in the most crazy ways.

They hated management....beacuse before FA...this team was probably the cheapest of the cheap when it came to paying players and taking care of players.

We know how they rebounded the next year.

The thing i always take with me is that they can still rebound next year....BUT with this team's history.....who knows.

BTW....hear Rivers comments after the game also....."We did not quit. We did not point fingers at halftime. We do not do that like other teams' around the leauge do."

Please tell me he was NOT talking about the Bengals........who can if they were on the Titanic when it was sinking... would be balming everyone else....and knocking over the women and children to get on the lifeboats.

traderumor
11-13-2006, 04:16 PM
Ocho Sucko?That's just amazing. He did miss a heckuva lot of tackles yesterday, though.

traderumor
11-13-2006, 04:19 PM
The problem is this team's history in regards to how it fixes things and problems.

This can be like 1987.....where the whole team bickered and pointed fingers and lost games in the most crazy ways.

They hated management....beacuse before FA...this team was probably the cheapest of the cheap when it came to paying players and taking care of players.

We know how they rebounded the next year.

The thing i always take with me is that they can still rebound next year....BUT with this team's history.....who knows.

BTW....hear Rivers comments after the game also....."We did not quit. We did not point fingers at halftime. We do not do that like other teams' around the leauge do."

Please tell me he was NOT talking about the Bengals........who can if they were on the Titanic when it was sinking... would be balming everyone else....and knocking over the women and children to get on the lifeboats.Rivers has been in one locker room in his career, so anything he has to say about other locker rooms is second hand information at best.

WVRed
11-13-2006, 04:34 PM
Personally, even suggesting that Marvin is a part of the problem rather than a part of the solution is just crazy talk. The funny thing is, the team that beat us yesterday had a similar season to ours last year, losing close games, just seemingly unable to finish off games. Our season is going like that. Is Marvin perfect? Obviously not. But he does know what he's doing and understands what it takes to build a winning franchise. How soon we forget the 90s, I guess.

I'm not sure about the "quitting" thing. I'm sure they have some basis for making such charges from what they saw happening, but I honestly think that is a lame excuse for the D that simply does not have enough talent to stop NFL offenses.

I'm not saying Marvin should be fired. I'm saying though that he needs to shake up the coaching staff(both Bratkowski and Bresnahan need to go). There is about as much a chance of that happening as there is of OTS being let go by Kentucky.

We knew we would have the toughest schedule in the league, and the Saints actually being a contender this season only made it worse. In a way, comparing the Chargers, we are similar. San Diego had the toughest schedule in the league last year and are now in prime position to win the AFC West. With the schedule looking pretty weak next season, 2007 could be the Bengals year to make something happen.

Tony Cloninger
11-13-2006, 06:05 PM
You do not have to be in the bengals locker room to see what is happening.....they show it to the world. Real Word "Cincinnati Bengals style".......when people stop being polite and show their true colors.

Fil3232
11-13-2006, 10:52 PM
I'm not saying Marvin should be fired. I'm saying though that he needs to shake up the coaching staff(both Bratkowski and Bresnahan need to go). There is about as much a chance of that happening as there is of OTS being let go by Kentucky.

We knew we would have the toughest schedule in the league, and the Saints actually being a contender this season only made it worse. In a way, comparing the Chargers, we are similar. San Diego had the toughest schedule in the league last year and are now in prime position to win the AFC West. With the schedule looking pretty weak next season, 2007 could be the Bengals year to make something happen.

Bob Bratkowski is about as much of the problem as the water boy. To throw him in this mess, especially after a 545 yd performance from the offense against the supposed #2 defense in the NFL is absurd. In fact, on bengals.com, Geoff Hobson reports that this week the Bengals gave more play calling responsibility to Bratkowski and less to Palmer. Besides that, I don't think it's any coincidence that the best game of the year for the line resulted in the best game of the year for the offense.

Blame Bresnahan and the D all you want, but please don't blame Bratkowski, one of the most respected O-cordinators in the league, for the team's bad play.

Yachtzee
11-13-2006, 11:12 PM
I had a feeling some of the play-calling issues arose from Palmer changing things at the line. It just seemed like he was always changing stuff at the line.

As far as the D goes, the players execute, but the coaches are responsible for preparing those players for the game and putting them in a position for them to succeed. If the players didn't "execute," then the next question is "why didn't they?"

Of course some players are definitely liabilities. If Tory James were on the Reds, he would be one of those veteran infielders the Reds like to bring in to improve the defense, only to find out that his defense isn't what it used to be and his hitting is worse than they could have hoped for a "good field-no hit" middle infielder. James can't tackle to save his life and his once vaunted cover skills have clearly diminished.

paintmered
11-14-2006, 12:31 AM
Bob Bratkowski is about as much of the problem as the water boy. To throw him in this mess, especially after a 545 yd performance from the offense against the supposed #2 defense in the NFL is absurd. In fact, on bengals.com, Geoff Hobson reports that this week the Bengals gave more play calling responsibility to Bratkowski and less to Palmer. Besides that, I don't think it's any coincidence that the best game of the year for the line resulted in the best game of the year for the offense.

Blame Bresnahan and the D all you want, but please don't blame Bratkowski, one of the most respected O-cordinators in the league, for the team's bad play.

I have to agree with this. Bratkowski is one of the least of the concerns I have. However, I do question why with a 21-point lead they aren't running Rudi up the gut for four-yards a chunk? Up huge, they should be icing the game on the ground instead of continuing to air it out.

A run and shoot mentality plus a horrid defense means no team is ever out of it against the Bengals.

RedsBaron
11-14-2006, 07:18 AM
I have to agree with this. Bratkowski is one of the least of the concerns I have. However, I do question why with a 21-point lead they aren't running Rudi up the gut for four-yards a chunk? Up huge, they should be icing the game on the ground instead of continuing to air it out.

A run and shoot mentality plus a horrid defense means no team is ever out of it against the Bengals.

The fact the Bengals have a horrid defense may have been why the offense believed that it had to keep airing it out. "Hey guys, I know we have 28 points at the half, but our defense is capable of surrendering 42 points in the second half, so let's air it out."

traderumor
11-14-2006, 08:32 AM
I had a feeling some of the play-calling issues arose from Palmer changing things at the line. It just seemed like he was always changing stuff at the line.

As far as the D goes, the players execute, but the coaches are responsible for preparing those players for the game and putting them in a position for them to succeed. If the players didn't "execute," then the next question is "why didn't they?"

Of course some players are definitely liabilities. If Tory James were on the Reds, he would be one of those veteran infielders the Reds like to bring in to improve the defense, only to find out that his defense isn't what it used to be and his hitting is worse than they could have hoped for a "good field-no hit" middle infielder. James can't tackle to save his life and his once vaunted cover skills have clearly diminished.Tory James is in his 3rd year and in the twilight of his career. His is the life of a corner, your number shows up, regardless of whether or not he was doing his job and fans immediately assume the person sucks. Well, by the standards most fans have, all corners in the league are no good because a pass is completed in their area. Of course, they have no idea of the responsibilities of the person they are blasting, but because he was in the area and a pass was completed, then he must not be able to cover people. I believe this is his last year, so from here on people can come up with a catchy nickname for Jonathon Joseph, which I'm sure they will since every time another team completes a pass it will be his fault.

Yachtzee
11-15-2006, 01:55 PM
Tory James is in his 3rd year and in the twilight of his career. His is the life of a corner, your number shows up, regardless of whether or not he was doing his job and fans immediately assume the person sucks. Well, by the standards most fans have, all corners in the league are no good because a pass is completed in their area. Of course, they have no idea of the responsibilities of the person they are blasting, but because he was in the area and a pass was completed, then he must not be able to cover people. I believe this is his last year, so from here on people can come up with a catchy nickname for Jonathon Joseph, which I'm sure they will since every time another team completes a pass it will be his fault.

Tory James was a good cover CB two years ago when the Bengals picked him up. Now he is not. His number shows up a lot when passes are complete because they're throwing the ball to an area where he has the responsibility of covering the receiver. I'm no expert, but just thinking about how I would position players based on their skills and abilities, I would do things this way...If I have a young rookie with a ton of talent and a older vet who has lost a step physically but is strong in the mental aspects of the game, I would start the rookie. Sure he's going to get burned every so often. But when he does, he has the opportunity to learn from it, he'll improve his game and do better as the season goes on. The vet who has lost a step is only going to get worse as he suffers wear and tear over the season.

I think James would be much better as the nickel back/first string backup. That way he could keep his legs fresh and use his experience and instincts more effectively. Joseph needs to be out there making the plays and honing his skills.

WMR
11-15-2006, 01:58 PM
Tory James is in his 3rd year and in the twilight of his career. His is the life of a corner, your number shows up, regardless of whether or not he was doing his job and fans immediately assume the person sucks. Well, by the standards most fans have, all corners in the league are no good because a pass is completed in their area. Of course, they have no idea of the responsibilities of the person they are blasting, but because he was in the area and a pass was completed, then he must not be able to cover people. I believe this is his last year, so from here on people can come up with a catchy nickname for Jonathon Joseph, which I'm sure they will since every time another team completes a pass it will be his fault.

You either get the job done or you don't. Tory is NOT getting the job done.

All the rest of this, coming up with nicknames for rookes... not sure what you're getting at... as long as you do your job consistently people aren't going to call for you to lose your job.

Does Champ Bailey get burned occassionally? Of course. Is he the best cover corner in the NFL? Yes.

WMR
11-15-2006, 02:02 PM
guess you called that a little early


Today's "I spoke too soon thread title of the day" goes to...



28-7!!!

Bengals looking like Bengals of last-season today in this first half.

Ahem...

traderumor
11-15-2006, 02:18 PM
You either get the job done or you don't. Tory is NOT getting the job done.

All the rest of this, coming up with nicknames for rookes... not sure what you're getting at... as long as you do your job consistently people aren't going to call for you to lose your job.

Does Champ Bailey get burned occassionally? Of course. Is he the best cover corner in the NFL? Yes.How do you know? Do you know what D they are in when receivers are open? Do you know who's responsibility it is when he shows up late trying to catch up with someone? Maybe he was in a zone expecting safety help when you see his "20" come into the picture. I dunno, maybe you have access to Bengals game films and spend all week breaking them down to determine who is not doing their job. But if you're not, I wouldn't be so quick to conclude who is doing their job and who is not out there.

I really don't care to defend any of the defensive backs, but you nor I can say "James is not getting the job done" because he is dependent on 10 other guys, any of which if they do not do their job, it can make him look bad.

Sunday is a great example. In the 2nd half, the lack of a pass rush forced the dbacks to have to cover longer than can reasonably be expected. This has been a recurring theme all year. It is also why the dbacks aren't getting any picks. If you give any NFL QB time to throw, most will be able to pick apart a secondary. I would venture to say that if Champ Bailey was a member of this D, all other things equal, people would be saying "man, Bailey must be overrated, he can't cover anybody" because of the lack of help up front.

WMR
11-15-2006, 04:35 PM
How many times does the same DB have to get beaten before you have to assume that maybe it's not the entire defense's fault every single time?

These defensive scheme problems don't seem to continually plague Deltha O'Neal.

I don't need to break down tape, my eyes are plenty enough to see that Tory routinely gets beaten off the line by opposing receivers and tackles worse than Deion Sanders.

I don't think people would continually bash Joseph if he was given Tory's starting spot. A rookie DB with unlimited potential versus a clearly skill-depleted veteran should be more than enough to prevent the reasonable--clearly, the NFL.com board-type crew doesn't fit this bill--fan from calling for the head of a rookie DB who is learning the ropes of playing cornerback in the NFL.

Push Tory to the nickel.