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Rex Argos
11-15-2006, 08:21 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2662662&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab5pos2

This is a clip from a Jerry Crasnick article on ESPN. He interviewed a few GM's about their opinions on a variety of hot stove topics. I've attached their thoughts on a few options that the Reds (and every other team) have to consider.

6. Which "second tier" starter do you like best: Adam Eaton, Ted Lilly, Gil Meche, Vicente Padilla or Randy Wolf?

Responses: Lilly 8, Padilla 6, Wolf 3, Meche 1, Eaton 1 and one undecided.

"They all have their little hickies, don't they?" one NL GM said.

Of course they do. That's why they'll have to muddle along with three- and four-year deals in the mere $24 million to $40 million range.

Wolf is still 17 months removed from Tommy John surgery, but he proved he could pitch well in a bandbox in Philadelphia. A Wolf supporter called him "a baseball player who just happens to pitch."

Eaton and Meche are talented guys who've never put it together, for an assortment of reasons. Eaton has yet to stay healthy enough to pitch 200 innings in a season, and Meche projects an outward passivity that doesn't match his above-average stuff.

Then there's Padilla, whose reported alcohol problems and loner personality make people wonder just what makes him tick. He's a career 66-61, but his 15-10 record in Texas could be a springboard to the next level.

"I like Padilla," a scout said. "He has the best stuff of the bunch. He's a mean son of a gun. He's willing to pitch inside, and he had very good success last year in a hitters' park in the American League."

An AL East executive chose Lilly on a hunch that he's going to break through and win 18 games one of these years. Lilly's fastball can hit the low 90s when he's right, and his curveball can be a knockout pitch. He just doesn't bring it to the park as consistently as, say, Zito.

"He's not a touchy-feely lefty," a Lilly backer said. "He's a four-pitch guy with legitimate stuff. Consistency is the only missing piece for him. When he's right, you know you have a chance against the Red Sox or Yankees. When he's not, Kansas City has a chance, too. He makes you scratch your head."

Teams have experienced so many multiyear disasters in the Russ Ortiz-Carl Pavano mode, any starter who can stay healthy and win 12-14 games with a sub 4.50 ERA is considered a decent investment. Lilly wins out as the safest, if not the flashiest, choice in the group.

If you were going to rank these guys, how would you rank them?

Highlifeman21
11-15-2006, 08:57 PM
Adam Eaton, Ted Lilly, Gil Meche, Vicente Padilla or Randy Wolf?

Eh. Worst of the best, best of the worst....

Padilla, Wolf, Lilly, Meche, Eaton.... That's my order.

All will be horribly overpaid, and priced out of our range.

Tigs
11-15-2006, 09:00 PM
I prefer we end up with none of these guys.

If I had to pick one, I'd take Lily.

All of these guys have Eric Milton written all over them. Overpaid and aging pitchers with lack of talent.

Mario-Rijo
11-15-2006, 09:01 PM
If all are healthy and we can assume they would stay that way relatively speaking. Then my List looks like this.

1st To Worst:
Wolf, Padilla, Lilly, Meche, Eaton

If we must take past injury into consideration.

Lilly, Padilla, Meche, Wolf, Eaton

Rojo
11-15-2006, 09:11 PM
Padilla.

Joseph
11-15-2006, 09:21 PM
Rumors of the moment:

Wolf resigns with Philly.

Meche to the Cubs.

Both as early as tomorrow.

edabbs44
11-15-2006, 09:44 PM
Give me Lilly or give me death.

mth123
11-15-2006, 10:41 PM
1st To Worst:
Wolf, Padilla, Lilly, Meche, Eaton

That's my order too. But Eaton and Meche would be in the next tier with Ohka, Suppan and Armas. Meche maybe lower.

vaticanplum
11-15-2006, 10:41 PM
I have a feeling that Padilla is going to go for a fortune. Not that the others won't, but I think he will surprise with the contract he signs.

Spring~Fields
11-15-2006, 11:01 PM
I have a feeling that Padilla is going to go for a fortune. Not that the others won't, but I think he will surprise with the contract he signs.

I can't find it now but I thought that I read where he was expected to want a 40 million dollar contract over 4 years.

marcshoe
11-15-2006, 11:13 PM
I've heard the rumor about the money Padilla's looking for elsewhere. Man, 10 million a year. And yet you have to wonder if the salary structure is accelerating to the point this off-season that, by the time we're through, that won't seem as much like overpaying....

but it's still ten million a year.

I don't like Meche or Eaton, and I figure Lilly won't be cheap either.

flyer85
11-15-2006, 11:49 PM
All will be horribly overpaid, and priced out of our range.that seems the safe bet.

flyer85
11-15-2006, 11:51 PM
Give me Lilly or give me death.I'm betting Lilliy gets 4 yrs and $40M

Topcat
11-16-2006, 03:46 AM
Simple for me Eaton and Padilla but knowing the cost for them? I pass and realize money saved now is better spent when a contending Red's are close. For god's sake 8 million a year for what a Eric Milton part deaux . Sorry the cash can be spent better than that.

crazybob60
11-16-2006, 12:00 PM
1st To Worst:
Lilly, Wolf, Eaton, Padilla, Meche

I would take the order above although I have heard that Meche is pretty much going to the Cubbies, well I shouldn't say pretty much, but that is what I heard on the radio yesterday, but take that for what its worth and isn't Eaton pretty much narrowed it down to 2-3 clubs, none of which are the Reds? If we got both Lilly and Wolf, I would say that that would be pretty nice, not as nice as a Zito or Schmidt but those are just dreams on my pillow.

Mario-Rijo
11-17-2006, 01:49 PM
Seattle Mariners Updated:11/15/2006
With the demand for pitchers high and the market slim, the Mariners are in the frenzy to bolster their pitching staff. The Tacoma News Tribune reports that Seattle has talked to several pitchers including Adam Eaton, Jason Schmidt, Ted Lilly and Woody Williams. The paper also suggests that pitchers are choosy, only wanting to go to "contending teams," and that Seattle "simply didn’t stack up."

A blurb here from somewhere in cyberspace. It tells me that our chances of getting one of these guys isn't good.

M2
11-17-2006, 02:14 PM
I want these second-tier guys exactly as much as I wanted Jason Johnson and Paul Byrd last season, not at all.

NJReds
11-17-2006, 02:24 PM
I want these second-tier guys exactly as much as I wanted Jason Johnson and Paul Byrd last season, not at all.

I'd rather sniff around Florida to see if we could come up with a deal to pry away Olsen. The only FA pitcher that is interesting to me (regardless of payroll) is Jason Schmidt. I think the rest won't live up to the contracts that they'll be receiving -- and that includes Zito.

Johnny Footstool
11-17-2006, 05:13 PM
I'd rather sniff around Florida to see if we could come up with a deal to pry away Olsen. The only FA pitcher that is interesting to me (regardless of payroll) is Jason Schmidt. I think the rest won't live up to the contracts that they'll be receiving -- and that includes Zito.

The Marlins want Rocco Baldelli for Olsen.

M2
11-17-2006, 05:27 PM
The Marlins want Rocco Baldelli for Olsen.

Well, we'll see how far anyone gets having trade talks with the Devil Rays. Historically speaking, that's a blind alley.

NJReds
11-17-2006, 05:35 PM
The Marlins want Rocco Baldelli for Olsen.


Wow. Ok. Nevermind.

Johnny Footstool
11-17-2006, 06:02 PM
Wow. Ok. Nevermind.

Well, they're not going to get Baldelli for Olsen, but that's their asking price.