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savafan
11-16-2006, 07:12 AM
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By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

CINCINNATI -- Reds fans won't be the only ones watching and wondering how the club tries to fill its available closer's role for 2007.

Add two more sets of eyes -- Reds free agent reliever Eddie Guardado and his agent, Kevin Kohler.

Guardado, who is no stranger to working out of tough spots in the ninth inning, is in a real challenging one this offseason. The 36-year-old is coming off Tommy John elbow ligament replacement surgery performed in September. Although the rehabilitation is said to be moving along well, he isn't expected to be ready to pitch in the Majors again until between June and the July All-Star break.

The Reds, who lacked a consistent closer this past season until they acquired Guardado from the Mariners on July 6, are expected to look elsewhere. But Guardado hasn't given up on returning to Cincinnati.

"He really wants to be with the Reds," Kohler said. "I feel like they want him back. But we'll be listening to everybody. I think we want to see what's out there."

Guardado's tenure with the Reds has been brief, but proved valuable. After he went 1-3 with a 5.48 ERA and five saves while he lost his closer's job in Seattle, the left-hander found his touch again in Cincinnati. He boosted the bullpen with eight saves in 10 chances and posted a 1.29 ERA in 15 games after the trade. The nice run ended when he went on the disabled list with torn ligaments and tendons in his elbow Aug. 20.

There have been no talks yet on a new deal, but Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky and Guardado have a good relationship from their Twins days. Something could still be worked out if there's club interest.

Kohler's goal was to find a team for Guardado to sign with in time for Spring Training so the pitcher could have a club to workout with and teammates to bond with, even if he won't be ready to open the 2007 season.

Krivsky, who is at the general managers' meetings this week in Naples, Fla., hasn't indicated his intentions with Guardado, saying recently that he wanted to wait and see how the rehab process played out.

Unfortunately for the Reds, this isn't the greatest year to be in the need of a closer since the market is considered quite weak. And unfortunately for Guardado, he won't be able to cash in on the low supply and high demand.

Two of the biggest names on the market -- Eric Gagne of the Dodgers and Keith Foulke from the Red Sox -- had good track records before enduring recent injury-plagued seasons. There is also well-traveled veteran Joe Borowski, who saved 36 games for the Marlins in 2006.

This could send the price tags upward for any decent reliever on the market. Lesser-knowns like Toronto right-hander Justin Speier and Detroit lefty Jamie Walker have reportedly drawn big interest from several clubs since the market opened for business Sunday. Cincinnati could also end up exploring trades and seek a younger setup reliever with closer's stuff.

Whether it's with the Reds or another team, Guardado will probably have to sign a contract that carries a low base salary and is loaded with performance-based incentives.

"Eddie is willing to do that," Kohler said. "He knows that this will be a year he has to come back and show that he's healthy."

LoganBuck
11-16-2006, 07:46 AM
I could live with bringing Guardado back, and keeping Weathers, and possibly Shoenweis.

redsmetz
11-16-2006, 08:36 AM
I could live with bringing Guardado back, and keeping Weathers, and possibly Shoenweis.

I would agree with that too. I think Guardado had a great presence in the bullpen and I think some of our younger pitchers can grow from that. An incentive laden contract that has him rehabbing with the team will pay other dividends.

I think it's becoming clear, as a number of folks here have noted, that this isn't the best Free Agent market, and I know we're all itching for the "big splash" signing or trade, but I'm hoping that WK and BC will spend the money wisely. I think they will, but we need to be ready for a slow pace offseason.

Let's build the best club and continue to rebuild our system for the future.

Team Clark
11-16-2006, 08:37 AM
It would be nice to have a fresh lefthander ready for the stretch in July. Certainly couldn't hurt. I would find it hard to believe he would not have a uniform on Feb 15th with any one of a number of clubs.

MrCinatit
11-16-2006, 08:57 AM
It seemed the bullpen pitched better when he was in there - but it could be my imagination. I know some did mention he was a possitive influence.
I'd like to see him back, for the right price.

Unassisted
11-16-2006, 09:08 AM
Seems like there's a confluence of factors here for the Reds to get a good deal.

A player motivated to return but for which there won't be a lot of external pressure to re-sign; he's coming off of surgery which puts him on the shelf for the first half of a season; he performed well in the past and his presence provides an emotional lift.

oneupper
11-16-2006, 09:13 AM
Problem with these "first half on the shelf" types is that they tend to be on the shelf in the second half, too.
See. Wilson, Paul, Balfour, Grant.

terminator
11-16-2006, 09:16 AM
I honestly don't want him on a one year deal. Since he's coming off Tommy John surgery he won't be ready until the All Star break and even then he won't be back in top form. I know we're desperate for a closer, but it just seems like the Reds have spent too much time and money on Etherton and Wilson type rehab projects. I'm not saying it would be the worst move ever, but spending money on a guy who might be able to pitch half a season and if so might be effective doesn't seem like a great bet to me. Then considering his age and the fact that we're not rehabbing a 24 y/o with potential and I'm just not very interested by the prospect of Guardado. League minimum deal maybe, but I'd hate to waste any more than that on him.

flyer85
11-16-2006, 09:22 AM
Guardado won't be ready to pitch until late in the season at best. The Reds should pass.

Johnny Footstool
11-16-2006, 09:31 AM
TJ surgery generally requires year to properly recover. Guardado is just the type to rush himself back, convince management that he can get by on heart and guts, and end up posting an ERA over 5.00.

RedsManRick
11-16-2006, 10:09 AM
Usually I'm skeptical when I see a guy put up a 1.29 ERA in 14 IP. However, to his credit, Eddie gave up 15 hits, only 2(!) walks and struck out 17. He did allow 3 unearned runs. In any case. A, say, 500k base, with some appearances or IP bonus system wouldn't be a bad idea.

crazybob60
11-16-2006, 10:34 AM
As much as Guardado had proven himself in years past, he is now hurt and won't even be close, in my opinion to returning to a decent form until the 2008 season. I would say pass right now and if he is still available next season, well take a shot, or maybe a minor league contract, but I know that that isn't going to happen.

M2
11-16-2006, 10:38 AM
I'd give Eddie a minor league deal so the team could monitor how good he looks during rehab, but old and injured is not a good place to be investing major league money.

Redsland
11-16-2006, 10:43 AM
Problem with these "first half on the shelf" types is that they tend to be on the shelf in the second half, too.
See. Wilson, Paul, Balfour, Grant.
Yep.

If he "really wants to stay," then go ahead and sign him. When he's healthy.

RANDY IN INDY
11-16-2006, 11:06 AM
I'd give Eddie a minor league deal so the team could monitor how good he looks during rehab, but old and injured is not a good place to be investing major league money.

Totally agee.

IslandRed
11-16-2006, 11:26 AM
I'd be OK with a minimum + incentives deal after we've taken our shot at whatever's out there on the market and it no longer presents any real opportunity cost. But not yet.

Patpacillosjock
11-16-2006, 12:36 PM
if we waste more money on the likes of Eddie Guardado, I'm done with this front office. it makes no sense to sign 3-4 injury plagued, 2nd-3rd tier, middle relief or utility infiellders, when you can combine that money to get 1-2 upper 2nd tier talent in free agency.

quality not quantity...please tell me you guys still have the jury out on Krivsky. PLEASE.

redsmetz
11-16-2006, 12:42 PM
if we waste more money on the likes of Eddie Guardado, I'm done with this front office. it makes no sense to sign 3-4 injury plagued, 2nd-3rd tier, middle relief or utility infiellders, when you can combine that money to get 1-2 upper 2nd tier talent in free agency.

quality not quantity...please tell me you guys still have the jury out on Krivsky. PLEASE.

Well, of course, the jury's still out. He hasn't even been GM a full year. It's a frigging work in progress. We've had two offseason moves; two minors ones - a little noticed trade and a split contract signing. And everyone's putting every little tea leaf under a microscope. Do I think he's the real deal? Yeah. I could be wrong, but I'm not going to work myself up over every tiny thing he does.

Spring~Fields
11-16-2006, 02:30 PM
I'd give Eddie a minor league deal so the team could monitor how good he looks during rehab, but old and injured is not a good place to be investing major league money.

I have to agree with M2.

Spitball
11-16-2006, 02:58 PM
He isn't in position to command very much money, he wants to play in Cincy, and he is tough as nails. The season is long and the bullpen will surely need help towards the end of the season. I'd give him a chance at a reasonable price.

KoryMac5
11-16-2006, 04:27 PM
If Krivs wanted him that badly he would have already been signed. I think he will continue to take a wait and see approach with Eddie. Eddie and his agent both know the only offer he may get is with the Reds. So if Krivs does sign him we will get a very good deal.

NJReds
11-16-2006, 04:30 PM
I'd offer a 1-yr deal w/incentives to O. Dotel before contemplating Eddie.

George Foster
11-16-2006, 08:36 PM
I love Eddie. He added a swager to the bullpen and had great emotion. However after Tommy John surgery, we don't know at his age, if he will ever pitch again. He's so competitive, I'm afraid he will try to come back to early and damage his arm for good.:cry: Minor league deal at best.

foxfire123
11-16-2006, 10:46 PM
I'm seeing alot of Jose Rijo in Eddie. In both the oddball sense of humor AND in the drive to play. He'll push himself to come back too soon if they let him I'm afraid.

That being said, I'd love to see Eddie back in Cincy. He's going to be cheap, sign him to a limited 2 year contract and see what happens.

Slyder
11-17-2006, 01:02 AM
I'd bring him back on an MLC incentive laden contract and an option for a 2nd year. He did wonders for our pen while he was healthy, dont overpay but let him know he's wanted back with a "fair deal". If he knows he is ready he will get a shot will keep him motivated to rehab.

Falls City Beer
11-17-2006, 05:05 PM
My guess: Guardado's done. It'd be a crude waste of resources (both financial and medical) to keep him around.

Raise up them younguns on the farm.

Slyder
11-17-2006, 06:16 PM
My guess: Guardado's done. It'd be a crude waste of resources (both financial and medical) to keep him around.

Raise up them younguns on the farm.

What about while rehabbing let him hang around AAA park and see if he can't help the guys like Dumatrait, Homer out some, yes he has had injuries as he got older, but he earned the nickname "Everyday Eddie" for a reason.