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beb30
11-16-2006, 02:12 PM
I originally heard only 400,000 would be available tonight at midnight. Now I've read that only 200,000 would be tonight. Is anyone trying to get one?

Reds Fanatic
11-16-2006, 02:19 PM
I originally heard only 400,000 would be available tonight at midnight. Now I've read that only 200,000 would be tonight. Is anyone trying to get one?
If you not already in line you are probably not getting one this week. I read a story where in the Dayton area there have people camped in front of stores like Best Buy since Tuesday.

BRM
11-16-2006, 02:20 PM
I read a story where in the Dayton area there have people camped in front of stores like Best Buy since Tuesday.

That's just sad.

Oxilon
11-16-2006, 02:29 PM
That's just sad.

It's actually not as sad as you think. I have a few friends who are camping out to buy around 5 or 6 Playstation 3s. They're going to keep one for themselves, and sell the rest on ebay, which will catch anywhere from $1500-$2500 each. They'll easily pocket $5000 each after the weekend.

HotCorner
11-16-2006, 02:35 PM
It's actually not as sad as you think. I have a few friends who are camping out to buy around 5 or 6 Playstation 3s. They're going to keep one for themselves, and sell the rest on ebay, which will catch anywhere from $1500-$2500 each. They'll easily pocket $5000 each after the weekend.

http://www.wral.com/technology/10331292/detail.html



Gamers, Opportunists Line Up Early For PS3 Debut

POSTED: 9:47 pm EST November 15, 2006
UPDATED: 11:12 pm EST November 15, 2006

CARY, N.C. -- The PlayStation 3 gaming console doesn't go on sale until Friday, but people are already lining up to buy it.

Outside one Cary store, the line started forming just before noon Wednesday. Gamers and people trying to make a buck are going to great lengths to get their hands on the latest electronic craze.

"You can make a lot of money if you had a few of them," said Dillon Selinger, who was one of the people waiting outside the Target store Wednesday afternoon for one of the eight units expected to go on sale Friday.

Thomas Rosatti and his buddies were first in line at the store. But shortly after they pitched their tent, they got company.

"A truck rolls up, one of those U-Haul type trucks, and seriously, 50 people rolled out, and he says they got them from the homeless shelter," Rosatti said.

While WRAL was there, the truck used to transport the men from the homeless shelter returned with food for the men. Abdul Salem said he and a friend came up with the idea. They said they plan to pay the men $100 a day to stand in line for a ticket to purchase a PS3 unit that costs around $600.

"It's got to be the eBay incentive," Salem said.

The eBay incentive is all about money. The going price on the site for a PS3 unit is approaching $2,000. Salem called his arrangement with the men from Raleigh's homeless community a win/win proposition.

"We thought we could lend them a hand, throw them a few bucks, and at the same time make a little something off of it," he said.

The Target store manager declined to comment on camera, but he did say the store doesn't plan to make any judgments about people standing in line. The tickets will be handed out on a first-come, first-serve basis at 8 a.m. Friday.

BRM
11-16-2006, 02:41 PM
Anyone that pays $2000 for a PS3 on ebay needs his/her head examined.

oneupper
11-16-2006, 03:30 PM
If you not already in line you are probably not getting one this week. I read a story where in the Dayton area there have people camped in front of stores like Best Buy since Tuesday.

There was a line outside the Best Buy in Sunrise, FL yesterday and I didn't know what it was for. Now I do.

Johnny Footstool
11-16-2006, 03:52 PM
Any bets on how well the first-edition PS3s actually work? I imagine they will be slightly less stable than Courtney Love.

BRM
11-16-2006, 03:58 PM
Any bets on how well the first-edition PS3s actually work? I imagine they will be slightly less stable than Courtney Love.

:laugh:

Agreed. You will likely be better off waiting a bit before buying one.

HumnHilghtFreel
11-16-2006, 04:00 PM
I work at a Target store. I went into work at 4am this morning, only to see what looked like a camp ground. People in tents waiting for the store to open up.

People are nuts.

GIK
11-16-2006, 04:21 PM
I'll pass until it drops into a more realistic price range (ie, 50% off).

beb30
11-16-2006, 04:50 PM
If I didn't have a full time job, id be camping out days in advance, there is just way to much money to be made even off of just one. Easily a $1400 profit. Heck i saw 1 today on ebay for $4,005 with 7 min left and that was only with like 2 games and 2 controllers

HotCorner
11-16-2006, 05:30 PM
If I didn't have a full time job, id be camping out days in advance, there is just way to much money to be made even off of just one. Easily a $1400 profit. Heck i saw 1 today on ebay for $4,005 with 7 min left and that was only with like 2 games and 2 controllers

I'd have a very nice Christmas with that type of profit (i.e. over $3000)!

beb30
11-16-2006, 05:32 PM
Heck yeah basically get an engagement ring for my g/f for almost free :evil:

WVRed
11-16-2006, 05:37 PM
Just stopped at Circuit City and saw people camping out. Then I realized what it was for.

If I didnt have to be at work until 7(Circuit City opens at 8), I would probably go back and try to get one and sell it on EBay.

fadetoblack2880
11-16-2006, 07:12 PM
Very content with my 360 and wouldn't consider switching to the overpriced PS3. Getting one to sell on ebay would be nice but I wouldn't want to deal with all the psychos. I got lucky last year when I got the Xbox. Wondered into Toys R Us and they were taking 18 reservations. Fifty bucks and two weeks later I had one on the launch day and didn't have to camp out in front of a store to get it. I don't see the point in that anyway...

Reds4Life
11-16-2006, 07:25 PM
I'm going to wait until 2007 to get one. The first run of a new unit is typically loaded with problems, look at the 360 for example. Plus, not many good games are even available right now.

TeamCasey
11-17-2006, 10:35 AM
Game console war heats up
Microsoft, Nintendo could benefit from Sony's price, production woes
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Updated: 9:07 a.m. ET Nov 17, 2006
Once again, three major video game consoles are set to battle just as the holiday shopping season gets in gear. And just like the last round of console wars five years back, the players are Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo.

(MSNBC is a joint Microsoft - NBC Universal venture.)

In the fall of 2001, Microsoft unleashed the Xbox on a world that was skeptical of the computer software giant's ability to compete with the more experienced companies. Around the same time, Nintendo also released their new console, the Gamecube. But Sony, building on its success of their first machine, had a one-year head start with the PlayStation 2.

Sony's dominance grew, eventually capturing about 70 percent market share. Xbox proved to be a respectable entry into the gaming world, and Nintendo stayed alive, mostly due to the success of their GameBoy and DS handheld systems.

This time, Sony isn’t first-to-market with their console—that honor goes to Microsoft’s Xbox 360. The company’s second entry into the console wars was released a year ago, and has generated strong reviews and decent sales. And Nintendo’s Wii, with its unique, motion-sensing controller, has generated good pre-release buzz. And Sony? Manufacturing problems have caused delays and shortages for their PlayStation 3 launch.

So the million (billion)-dollar question is, on the eve of the PlayStation 3 and Wii launches: Is the balance of power shifting in the game industry? Let's take a look at some of the factors that will come into play.

Availability
Sony initially planned to release the PS3 last spring, but then slipped the date back to November. Manufacturing delays forced the company to cut shipments in the U.S. by half to two million by the end of the year. A mere 400,000 will be available on launch day, Nov. 17.

Nintendo hasn't released exact numbers for its launch on Nov. 19, but says it plans to ship four million by the end of 2006.

When the Xbox 360 was released last year, getting your hands on one was nearly impossible for several months. Now, most major retailers have it in stock.

So if your heart is set on having either of the two new boxes under your Christmas tree this year, you'd better be reading this from the line at your local electronics retailer, or think about getting an Xbox 360.

Advantage (temporarily): Xbox 360

Sticker shock
At this year's E3 (Electronic Entertainment Expo), the talk on the show floor wasn't about the latest high-end graphics or the newest first-person shooter, it was about PS3's price. Sony sets a new high at $499 and $599 for the 20GB and 60GB models respectively. That's $200 above the prices for the two Xbox 360 models.

Driving up the cost of the PS3 is Sony’s Blu-Ray disk drive for high-definition video and increased storage capacity. Xbox 360 offers the competing HD format drive as an add-on for $200, making the two systems equal in price. However, at this point Xbox 360 games are played through the standard DVD drive, making the new drive purely optional.

Sony hopes the PS3 will push their Blu-Ray format to the forefront, making the console launch a key part of their overall consumer electronics strategy.

At $250, Nintendo's Wii is the cheapest of the bunch. It's also the only one that lacks HDTV resolution support and DVD playback capability (current or next-generation). Still, at $50 below the stripped-down Xbox 360, the Wii is difficult to ignore.

Advantage: Wii

The games
All three systems feature the ability to run some, if not all titles from earlier systems, but Xbox 360's lead time gives it a head start on games made specifically for the machine, with over 100 currently available. Unfortunately for Microsoft, the coveted killer app is missing from that list. Bungie Studios' "Halo 3," (the original version was a must-have for the first Xbox) won't be available until next year. Recently released "Gears of War," by Epic Games, has been hailed by some reviewers as a worthy successor, but it's still not "Halo."


PS3 also suffers from the missing killer app. Although around 20 titles will be available on or shortly after launch, "Final Fantasy," by Square Enix, isn't due out until the end of 2007. And Konami's hugely popular action title "Metal Gear Solid: Guns of the Patriots" won't hit shelves until next summer.

Wii will have about 30 games available around launch time. Included in the bunch is the highly-anticipated "Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess," sure to become a must for any Wii library. Other big names, "Mario" and "Metroid Prime" have been pushed back to next fall. In addition to "Wii Sports," included with the console, Wii will feature games, like "Excite Truck," designed to take advantage of the revolutionary motion-sensing controllers, creating more active experiences than the usual button mashing. One of these titles could prove to be a major draw.

Advantage: Wii


System specs
On paper, PS3 has the technical advantage over Xbox 360 and Wii. Sony claims the PS3 has the most advanced processor and graphics card of the bunch. But because the three machines use proprietary technology and software, comparing numbers could be misleading.

PS3 also features the aforementioned Blu-Ray disk drive for more game content and next-generation video playback — and it can handle video up to 1080p resolution. The PS3 also supports up to 7 wireless controller connections, which means that you and six buddies can play in the same room, at the same time. The more expensive unit also includes Wi-Fi connectivity.

Xbox 360 boasts more video and processing memory, but again, comparing numbers to numbers is unreliable. As stated previously, an HD drive is available as an add-on for next-generation video playback. A recently released downloadable update bumped the maximum video resolution to 1080p. Up to 4 wireless controllers can be connected. A Wi-Fi network adapter is available separately.

Wii is the most primitive of the bunch. It doesn't offer high-resolution video or next-generation (or even first-generation) DVD support. Four of Wii's unique controllers can connect wirelessly and Wi-Fi connectivity is built in.

Advantage: PS3

Business strategy
All three companies have different approaches to capture as much of the market as possible. Nintendo hopes it can attract a previously untapped audience: non-gamers. Microsoft is aiming to be the centerpiece of a home entertainment and communication center. Sony is going for the hard-core gamer and early adopter crowd.

Wii's lower video requirements appear to be an attempt to appeal to the most casual of gamer or parent who doesn't need the newest (and most expensive) technology. The controllers are designed to be as familiar and intuitive as moving (opposed to "Up, R1, L1, Square, Down, L2, X, Triangle"). Rather than focus on processing power and pixel count, Nintendo's message is that it's all about playability.

Microsoft is also hoping to lure the casual audience by making Xbox 360 and the Xbox Live service the heart of a home entertainment system. The company recently unveiled partnerships with several Hollywood studios to sell TV shows and movies for download. Additionally, earlier this year, the company announced plans to chip away at the proprietary wall separating different Microsoft systems by allowing Windows Vista computers and Smart Phone users to communicate with Xbox 360 players via the "Live Anywhere" service. A subscription to Xbox Live is required to play games online, but not for downloadable content purchases.

Despite the absence of favorite headliners, PS3's game lineup is everything a hard-core gamer could ask for: violent shooters, complicated adventures, racing and sports with stunning visuals. The system specs will appeal to those who want the latest and greatest, and are willing to pay for it. Sony has yet to announce any non-gaming content plans for the PlayStation 3 online service, but with corporate brethren like Sony Music and Sony Studios, it's a good bet that something is in the works. PS3's online service will not have a subscription fee.

Advantage: Tie - Xbox 360/Wii (until Sony details any additional online services)

And the winner is...
Sony's dominance in the video game console world is massive. The PS3 looks to continue the company's tradition of technical innovation and marketing genius. However, shipping delays, shortages and the extremely high price tag could be its downfall. If the Blu-Ray format fails to catch on, PS3 owners will be stuck with a proprietary system that won't be able to play the latest HD movies. Also, focusing on its core gaming audience may please their most-loyal fans, but I don't think it will do much to bring fresh blood to the table.

Microsoft has an opening this holiday shopping season to take advantage of Sony's shortfall and convert some of the gaming audience from PS2 to Xbox 360. The add-on HD drive gives consumers the option of having a next-gen DVD player. But because the drive is modular, Microsoft has the ability to switch to Blu-Ray if it becomes the dominant format. Additionally, the non-game offerings on Xbox live could be an added bonus for families looking to get more out of their investment than just gaming.

Nintendo, with its much lower-priced Wii, is best poised to attract a more casual audience. The more active play-style of Wii's controllers is sure to get a lot more attention than the thumb and trigger finger moves of the other two consoles, but the lasting appeal of these games could be limited.

Sony will most likely hang on to its lead, with continuing sales of PS2 units and games supplementing the new system. But Microsoft and Nintendo have a huge opportunity to close the gap. Ultimately, a more competitive field could lead to increased hardware innovation and better games.

&#169; 2006 MSNBC Interactive

pahster
11-17-2006, 11:08 AM
$600? I'll pass, especially considering the lack of quality launch titles. Might as well just upgrade my computer or buy some new music equipment.

dman
11-17-2006, 11:18 AM
$600? I'll pass, especially considering the lack of quality launch titles. Might as well just upgrade my computer or buy some new music equipment.

Upgrading my P.C. is where I sit on the issue also. Things always go full circle in the tech industry and P.C. games are on the rise again, in particular with role playing games like World of Warcraft and Guild Wars, and for people like me Flight Sim X and Company of Heroes appear to be great titles.

KronoRed
11-17-2006, 11:30 AM
I've been a PlayStation fan since my Xbox ticked me off one too many times, but 600 bucks? I only play 3 games (NCAA, Metal Gear, Grand Theft Auto)


Yeesh, I'll wait.

MrCinatit
11-17-2006, 11:34 AM
I personally think the people pay thousands of dollars for a Playstation on eBay are very wise.
In fact, I hope those same people are reading this message, because I have a once in a lifetime deal for them. I have a 1984 Topps Tucker Ashford and 1981 Donruss Enrique Romo card I will sell them for the low, low, low price equalling 1/10th of A-Rods salary last year. Each. Hurry before this offer expires.

Dom Heffner
11-17-2006, 11:43 AM
I've been a PlayStation fan since my Xbox ticked me off one too many times, but 600 bucks? I

But for $600, you also get a Blue Ray DVD player, which is actually cheaper than they go for right now by themselves.

If you haven't seen the picture on a Blue Ray DVD player, go to Best Buy and watch it.

Absoloutely incredible. You can see the ridges on the edge of a quarter it's that clear.

Hopefully now the Blue Ray DVD players come down....

KronoRed
11-17-2006, 11:47 AM
I'd want to wait the BlueRay HDDVD format battle out, I'd also want an HDTV before I moved on from DVD's.

Smokin Joe
11-17-2006, 11:59 AM
I'm one of the managers at a Supertarget and I can tell you we had people waiting in line on Wednesday at 6p for Fridays sale beginning at 8a!!! I worked the closing shift last night and went to check on the group waiting in line, everyone of them said they planned on selling thier PS3 on ebay. Last night I noticed a couple of them went for $4k on ebay, personally it seems crazy to wait that long in line but if someone can clear that much $$$ I can't say I blame them.

At this point it doesn't look good for replenishment, I was told that Target had 11,000 units to distribute to over 1,400+ stores across the country for the intial drop, god only knows if we'll see anything else. Our store only received 8 units for todays sale. My guess is we may see another 6-8 units before X-mas.

TeamMorris
11-17-2006, 12:38 PM
I was at Meijer around 3:00pm yesterday. There were no campers or people just hanging out in the game area. I'm surprised because the front page of the weekly add told about the release.

KronoRed
11-17-2006, 01:29 PM
Saw some campers at Target on Beachmont, do these people have lives? :dunno:

Ltlabner
11-17-2006, 01:42 PM
My favorite is when someone camps out for a week with the idea of selling the new goody on Ebay. They get the new $100 item and sell it for 3 times as much on Ebay. They pocket the $200 and think they are living like kings.

Of course, taking 5 days off of work, to make what amounts to $5/hour doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Thats $200 divided by 5 days and 8 hours per day.

Not exactly a "big score" in my book.

A $600 item selling for $2400 is getting a little closer but still ranks far below what I'd consider "worth my time" especially considering I'd burn 5 days of vacation in the process.

flyer85
11-17-2006, 01:49 PM
a couple of entrepreneurs


ENGLEWOOD — Two armed men wearing black ski masks and sunglasses robbed the EB Games store at 7724 Hoke Road of five Sony PlayStation 3 video game systems about 9 p.m. Thursday, police said.

The suspects were described to police as 5 feet 10 inches to 6 feet tall, wearing dark jackets and baseball caps.

One was in dark-colored pants and the other in gray-colored baggy sweatpants.

According to Englewood police Officer C.M. Follick, two employees were attempting to close the store when the two suspects entered and ordered them to the rear supply room, where the game systems were stored.

The PS3 goes on sale nationally today and retails from $499 to $599.

Anyone with information regarding this incident is asked to call (937) 836-1194.
225-2353 or cmong@DaytonDailyNews.com.

Dom Heffner
11-17-2006, 01:54 PM
A $600 item selling for $2400 is getting a little closer but still ranks far below what I'd consider "worth my time" especially considering I'd burn 5 days of vacation in the process.


You are assuming these people have jobs. :D

GIK
11-17-2006, 02:01 PM
Exactly. A lot are college kids. $1800 is a lot of PBR. :)

Ltlabner
11-17-2006, 02:07 PM
You are assuming these people have jobs. :D

That's a good point. The same decision making process that lends someone to sleep outside for any number of days in a Best Buy parking lot, usually isn't the same skill set an employer is looking for.


Exactly. A lot are college kids. $1800 is a lot of PBR. :)

Well, that's a good point too. I had forgotten the magical siren call of beer fuled mayhem and the lengths people (including myself) would go to fund said fravolity. Especially when mom and dad are likely footing the $600 seed money anyway.

Caveat Emperor
11-17-2006, 10:10 PM
If I didn't have a job, I'd have been in line trying to score one of these to sell on eBay. Scoring a $2,000 profit for basically a few hours of waiting is fantastic -- that's almost 3 months of my intern salary.

There is going to be a "trickle" of PS3s coming into the States between now and Christmas, if you believe what Sony is saying -- it's worth the couple minutes out of my day to try and track one down to sell for Christmas. Even if the sale prices get more reasonable and I only make $400-$500 on the sale, that's still absolutely worth it for me.

As for the PS3 itself -- I've heard it's basically a $600 paperweight unless you have an HDTV, since the advantage of a blue-ray player and the better graphics doesn't show up nearly as much on a standard-def television. I, personally, won't be purchasing one until HDTVs stop being insanely expensive.

KronoRed
11-17-2006, 11:00 PM
I think people who pay 2000 plus for a PS3 should be arrested ;)

vaticanplum
11-17-2006, 11:15 PM
I think people who pay 2000 plus for a PS3 should be arrested ;)

I think they should be institutionalized.

I had no idea this was even going on. How does this differ from the last one?

LoganBuck
11-18-2006, 12:23 AM
I think they should be institutionalized.

I had no idea this was even going on. How does this differ from the last one?

This one is built as a platform for the new blu-ray DVD format. It essentially is a super high definition product. That is what this is really all about, getting blu-ray a foothold.

Cedric
11-18-2006, 01:01 AM
I got one on costco today. Pretty incredible. The site was crashed for hours but it was in my cart, I refreshed until I got the order confirmation.

Tyler Durden
11-18-2006, 01:37 AM
As for the PS3 itself -- I've heard it's basically a $600 paperweight unless you have an HDTV, since the advantage of a blue-ray player and the better graphics doesn't show up nearly as much on a standard-def television. I, personally, won't be purchasing one until HDTVs stop being insanely expensive.

They're really not that bad anymore, although I guess it all depends on your definition of "insanely expensive". If you're talking a big screen plasma, then yeah, it might be up there, but you can get a pretty nice one for $1000-1500.


I got one on costco today. Pretty incredible. The site was crashed for hours but it was in my cart, I refreshed until I got the order confirmation.

Just wait until you see your credit card getting charged eight times...

Cedric
11-18-2006, 02:48 AM
They're really not that bad anymore, although I guess it all depends on your definition of "insanely expensive". If you're talking a big screen plasma, then yeah, it might be up there, but you can get a pretty nice one for $1000-1500.



Just wait until you see your credit card getting charged eight times...

Didn't happen. I called Costco and already have a confirmation. You are only allowed one purchase per family and it's fine.

WMR
11-18-2006, 02:57 AM
Did you get the 60 gig or 20 gig version, Ced? Are you gonna keep it or sell it on ebay?

gilpdawg
11-18-2006, 03:13 AM
Wait until the system some people with too much money to burn spent 2 grand on gets the dreaded "disc read error." Heck, I went thru 3 PS2's, and only one of them was the first gen. I'm going 360 this time around. Can't have much worse luck. PS3 doesn't have much exclusive stuff I'd want to play anyway, with the exception of Square's stuff.

Cedric
11-18-2006, 10:16 AM
Did you get the 60 gig or 20 gig version, Ced? Are you gonna keep it or sell it on ebay?

I got the 60 gig bundle from Costco. 699 before taxes.

I'm not sure if I'm gonna sell it honestly. I still got time to decide before it ships in :)

paintmered
11-18-2006, 01:50 PM
Wait until the system some people with too much money to burn spent 2 grand on gets the dreaded "disc read error." Heck, I went thru 3 PS2's, and only one of them was the first gen. I'm going 360 this time around. Can't have much worse luck. PS3 doesn't have much exclusive stuff I'd want to play anyway, with the exception of Square's stuff.

My roommate got a 360 on its launch date. For a first gen system, we haven't had a single problem with it to date. So I think it's safe to assume any bugs it had at launch have been fixed by now.

bengalsown
11-21-2006, 03:31 PM
As for the PS3 itself -- I've heard it's basically a $600 paperweight unless you have an HDTV, since the advantage of a blue-ray player and the better graphics doesn't show up nearly as much on a standard-def television. I, personally, won't be purchasing one until HDTVs stop being insanely expensive.

Well, I somewhat disagree. My Xbox 360 definitely looks 1000x better graphically on my HDTV compared to my SDTV, but the games are still just as fun.

And HDTV's aren't all that expensive anymore. You can get a decent 42" Plasma for not much more than $1500. My plasma cost me $2000 back in February.

Caveat Emperor
11-21-2006, 11:59 PM
And HDTV's aren't all that expensive anymore. You can get a decent 42" Plasma for not much more than $1500. My plasma cost me $2000 back in February.

I guess "expensive" is a term relative to one's standard of living. For me, personally, $1500 is extremely expensive -- especially given that I paid $250 for my last television.

Playadlc
11-22-2006, 12:07 AM
This friday Best Buy is supposed to have a 42" Panasonic Plasma for $999.

That is an absolutely incredible deal.

Redsfaithful
11-22-2006, 05:44 AM
This friday Best Buy is supposed to have a 42" Panasonic Plasma for $999.

That is an absolutely incredible deal.

Wow. I might have to pick one of those up, is that the sort of thing I'll have to be in line for when the doors open?

kbrake
11-22-2006, 09:47 AM
I guess "expensive" is a term relative to one's standard of living. For me, personally, $1500 is extremely expensive -- especially given that I paid $250 for my last television.

No kidding I'm with Caveat. Geesh. I'm broke.

RedsFan75
11-22-2006, 09:59 AM
This friday Best Buy is supposed to have a 42" Panasonic Plasma for $999.

That is an absolutely incredible deal.


You can check a LOT of deals for Friday by going here... http://bfads.net/

Dom Heffner
11-22-2006, 11:29 PM
People have been lucky to get a grand for the PS3 on ebay.

Too much supply.

Yachtzee
11-23-2006, 02:26 PM
I guess "expensive" is a term relative to one's standard of living. For me, personally, $1500 is extremely expensive -- especially given that I paid $250 for my last television.

Yep. I'm with you. $1500 is a lot of money for a TV. I probably won't by an HDTV until my current TV goes south.

I might get an XBOX360, but I'll be paying for it with Westlaw points. ;)