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RedLegSuperStar
11-28-2006, 08:47 AM
Rotoworld.com


J.D. Drew's contract with the Red Sox could be worth as much as $75 million for five years, the Boston Herald reports.

If Alfonso Soriano is worth $138 million and Carlos Lee commands bids of $100 million to $112 million, Drew at $75 million is perfectly reasonable. Still, the Red Sox might not be getting any better by moving Manny Ramirez to make room for him. The Herald believes a physical might be the only hurdle remaining prior to a deal.

steig
11-28-2006, 09:10 AM
I'd rather have Manny on my team than J.D. Drew. Manny is the right handed anchor of that lineup. Personally, I think this could be a big mistake for the Red Sox, especially when attitudes are considered.

redsmetz
11-28-2006, 10:13 AM
I also wonder what this might mean for Wily Mo. Would that put him on the move, or would he patrol left field? Sheesh, can you imagine him trying to figure out that wall?

westofyou
11-28-2006, 11:13 AM
I'd rather have Manny on my team than J.D. Drew. Manny is the right handed anchor of that lineup. Personally, I think this could be a big mistake for the Red Sox, especially when attitudes are considered.

Attitudes?

Manny is the one who wants out, Drew wants in... so much for "attitudes" wouldn't you say?

registerthis
11-28-2006, 11:36 AM
Attitudes?

Manny is the one who wants out, Drew wants in... so much for "attitudes" wouldn't you say?

Gosh, I'd completely forgotten that Ramirez was Mr. Personality.

NJReds
11-28-2006, 11:38 AM
The Sox could've kept Damon for $12M/year. They couldn't "afford" to do that. Now they're going to overpay JD Drew?

The Dodgers celebrated when he opted out of the 3 years-$33M left on his deal. Now he's getting 5 yrs.-$75 M?

This market makes no sense.

blumj
11-28-2006, 11:49 AM
The Manny/Drew question isn't all that different from the Dunn/Johnson debate going on in the other thread. How do you measure and value defense, how do you combine it with offense to get a clear picture of a player, and how do you combine that picture with issues of durability and injury risk and money?

RedsManRick
11-28-2006, 12:08 PM
I'd take JD Drew and the players obtained in return for Manny over just Manny.

Z-Fly
11-28-2006, 01:38 PM
I think JD maybe one of the most overrated players or my time. He's only had one really good year. Not worth the cash in my opinion.

westofyou
11-28-2006, 01:41 PM
I'd take him


J.D. DREW

GIVEN NAME: David Jonathan Drew
BORN: 11/20/1975 Valdosta, Georgia
BAT: L THROW: R HEIGHT: 6'1" WEIGHT: 195 MLB DEBUT: 9/8/1998
CAREER GAMES BY POSITION: LF: 33 CF: 215 RF: 689 DH: 5

YEAR TEAM AGE G AB R H 2B 3B HR HR% RBI BB SO SB CS AVG SLG OBA OPS
1998 Cardinals 22 14 36 9 15 3 1 5 13.89 13 4 10 0 0 .417 .972 .463 1.436
1999 Cardinals 23 104 368 72 89 16 6 13 3.53 39 50 77 19 3 .242 .424 .340 .763
2000 Cardinals 24 135 407 73 120 17 2 18 4.42 57 67 99 17 9 .295 .479 .401 .880
2001 Cardinals 25 109 375 80 121 18 5 27 7.20 73 57 75 13 3 .323 .613 .414 1.027
2002 Cardinals 26 135 424 61 107 19 1 18 4.25 56 57 104 8 2 .252 .429 .349 .778
2003 Cardinals 27 100 287 60 83 13 3 15 5.23 42 36 48 2 2 .289 .512 .374 .886
2004 Braves 28 145 518 118 158 28 8 31 5.98 93 118 116 12 3 .305 .569 .436 1.006
2005 Dodgers 29 72 252 48 72 12 1 15 5.95 36 51 50 1 1 .286 .520 .412 .931
2006 Dodgers 30 146 494 84 140 34 6 20 4.05 100 89 106 2 3 .283 .498 .393 .891
TOTALS 960 3161 605 905 160 33 162 5.12 509 529 685 74 26 .286 .512 .393 .904
LG AVERAGE 3050 435 825 166 18 102 3.34 414 319 564 55 24 .270 .437 .343 .780
POS AVERAGE 3074 470 842 171 21 126 4.09 467 355 631 64 29 .274 .466 .353 .819

YEAR TEAM RC RCAA RCAP OWP RC/G TB EBH ISO SEC BPA IBB HBP SAC SF GIDP OUTS PA POS
1998 Cardinals 13 8 8 .845 13.50 35 9 .556 .667 .854 0 0 0 1 4 26 41 LF
1999 Cardinals 58 -3 -4 .469 5.36 156 35 .182 .370 .525 0 6 3 3 4 292 430 CF
2000 Cardinals 83 20 10 .616 7.35 195 37 .184 .391 .568 4 6 5 1 3 305 486 RF
2001 Cardinals 99 47 35 .760 9.90 230 50 .291 .477 .670 4 4 3 4 6 270 443 RF
2002 Cardinals 68 10 1 .574 5.56 182 38 .177 .330 .505 4 8 3 4 4 330 496 RF
2003 Cardinals 55 16 12 .649 6.94 147 31 .223 .355 .552 0 3 2 0 6 214 328 RF
2004 Braves 139 66 57 .766 10.03 295 67 .264 .515 .652 2 5 1 3 7 374 645 RF
2005 Dodgers 58 25 21 .732 8.37 131 28 .234 .440 .592 3 5 0 3 3 187 311 RF
2006 Dodgers 102 28 28 .641 7.48 246 60 .215 .399 .563 8 4 1 6 4 368 594 RF
TOTALS 675 217 168 .667 7.70 1617 355 .225 .416 .584 25 41 18 25 41 2366 3774
LG AVERAGE 464 0 0 .500 5.29 1332 286 .166 .289 .480 30 34 20 26 71 2366 3448
POS AVERAGE 513 49 0 .543 5.86 1432 317 .192 .328 .513 33 37 10 26 69 2366 3502

flyer85
11-28-2006, 01:43 PM
JDs problem is he doesn't seem to like to play all that much. Only over 500 ABs once is his career and now entering his 30's. The odds of him playing a lot are going down, not up. Whoever signs him better have a good 4th OF.

redsmetz
11-28-2006, 01:44 PM
I think JD maybe one of the most overrated players or my time. He's only had one really good year. Not worth the cash in my opinion.

He may be overrated and he might not be worth the money, but to he's hand only one good year is a bit of hyperbole. I'll grant that he hasn't lived up to his potential and he overrated himself when drafted (which is where much of the angst comes against him), he's had a little three of his seasons which have been pretty good (including last season). That's certainly not the model of consistency, but he's had more than one good year.



Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1998 22 STL NL 14 36 9 15 3 1 5 13 0 0 4 10 .417 .463 .972 35 0 1 0 0 4
1999 23 STL NL 104 368 72 89 16 6 13 39 19 3 50 77 .242 .340 .424 156 3 3 0 6 4
2000 24 STL NL 135 407 73 120 17 2 18 57 17 9 67 99 .295 .401 .479 195 5 1 4 6 3
2001 25 STL NL 109 375 80 121 18 5 27 73 13 3 57 75 .323 .414 .613 230 3 4 4 4 6
2002 26 STL NL 135 424 61 107 19 1 18 56 8 2 57 104 .252 .349 .429 182 3 4 4 8 4
2003 27 STL NL 100 287 60 83 13 3 15 42 2 2 36 48 .289 .374 .512 147 2 0 0 3 6
2004 28 ATL NL 145 518 118 158 28 8 31 93 12 3 118 116 .305 .436 .569 295 1 3 2 5 7 MVP-6
2005 29 LAD NL 72 252 48 72 12 1 15 36 1 1 51 50 .286 .412 .520 131 0 3 3 5 3
2006 30 LAD NL 146 494 84 140 34 6 20 100 2 3 89 106 .283 .393 .498 246 1 6 8 4 4

Z-Fly
11-28-2006, 01:52 PM
He may be overrated and he might not be worth the money, but to he's hand only one good year is a bit of hyperbole. I'll grant that he hasn't lived up to his potential and he overrated himself when drafted (which is where much of the angst comes against him), he's had a little three of his seasons which have been pretty good (including last season). That's certainly not the model of consistency, but he's had more than one good year.



Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1998 22 STL NL 14 36 9 15 3 1 5 13 0 0 4 10 .417 .463 .972 35 0 1 0 0 4
1999 23 STL NL 104 368 72 89 16 6 13 39 19 3 50 77 .242 .340 .424 156 3 3 0 6 4
2000 24 STL NL 135 407 73 120 17 2 18 57 17 9 67 99 .295 .401 .479 195 5 1 4 6 3
2001 25 STL NL 109 375 80 121 18 5 27 73 13 3 57 75 .323 .414 .613 230 3 4 4 4 6
2002 26 STL NL 135 424 61 107 19 1 18 56 8 2 57 104 .252 .349 .429 182 3 4 4 8 4
2003 27 STL NL 100 287 60 83 13 3 15 42 2 2 36 48 .289 .374 .512 147 2 0 0 3 6
2004 28 ATL NL 145 518 118 158 28 8 31 93 12 3 118 116 .305 .436 .569 295 1 3 2 5 7 MVP-6
2005 29 LAD NL 72 252 48 72 12 1 15 36 1 1 51 50 .286 .412 .520 131 0 3 3 5 3
2006 30 LAD NL 146 494 84 140 34 6 20 100 2 3 89 106 .283 .393 .498 246 1 6 8 4 4

Of course you know the year I speak of is 2004. "Good" is an objective word. What I was saying is a player that is going to sign for that kind of cash sould have at lest more than one year of...

140+ games played, .275 avg, 30+ homeruns. He had that only once in 2004.

flyer85
11-28-2006, 01:54 PM
Spending $15M a year for 5 years on a guy whose history says you should expect to play around 110-115 games would not seem to be a good idea unless you are just rolling in the cash(which may be the case for the Sox).

Cedric
11-28-2006, 01:56 PM
Say what you want about Manny, but he's always on the field and he's always producing better than about 99% of the league.

I wouldn't trade him.

M2
11-28-2006, 02:00 PM
Say what you want about Manny, but he's always on the field and he's always producing better than about 99% of the league.

I wouldn't trade him.

Me either.

smallbattle
11-28-2006, 02:01 PM
If I had a vote, I'd rather have Manny.

redsmetz
11-28-2006, 02:05 PM
Of course you know the year I speak of is 2004. "Good" is an objective word. What I was saying is a player that is going to sign for that kind of cash sould have at lest more than one year of...

140+ games played, .275 avg, 30+ homeruns. He had that only once in 2004.

Yes, I would agree, but his 2006 wasn't too shabby either and should be categorized as good also (100 RBI's isn't anything to sneeze at). And for limited action, the 2001 season wasn't too bad either.

And, yes, I would agree that you would think you'd want better playing time and production from someone getting the type of money he's reportedly going to get. I'm guessing the Bosox are expecting a healthy and productive Drew. And it's also indicative of how whacky this market has gotten.

Dom Heffner
11-28-2006, 02:18 PM
JD Drew is the Eric Davis of his time but only worse.

He's good- when he plays.

When you see someone have 27 homeruns but only 73 RBI, that tells you he doesn't play enough.

So great- Boston gets a part-time guy they can pay full-time money to be terrific when he shows up.

And streaky doesn't begin t describe him, at least last year.

He went from June 2 to July 26 without hitting a single homerun.

From May 10 until that same point he hit 2.

So from May 10 until close to August he was good for two dingers.

The 100 RBIs are a little misleading, too, because he drove in 18% of them in the last two weeks of the year.

Wow. But I bet he walked a lot!

Factor all of this in with the fact that he is going to miss about a month's worth of games, he's pretty much good for less than half the year. Pass.

KoryMac5
11-28-2006, 04:40 PM
Drew will be under a microscope in Boston. The first time he gets hurt Sox fans will go crazy, especially if they do unload Manny.

jmac
11-28-2006, 05:21 PM
Say what you want about Manny, but he's always on the field and he's always producing better than about 99% of the league.

I wouldn't trade him.
ditto.