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Mainspark
11-29-2006, 08:45 PM
TORONTO The Toronto Blue Jays have agreed to a $1.5 million, one-year contract with shortstop Royce Clayton.
Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi said Wednesday that he wanted to sign a shortstop and that he planned on having Aaron Hill play second base.
He is a veteran presence that will strengthen us up the middle and in the clubhouse, Ricciardi said.
Clayton hit .258 with two homers and 40 RBIs for Washington and Cincinnati last season. His deal also would include performance bonuses.

cincinnati chili
11-29-2006, 09:25 PM
Who took over J.P. Ricciardi's body?

RedsMan3203
11-29-2006, 09:26 PM
:smirk: - Suckers. :cool:

Reds Nd2
11-29-2006, 10:39 PM
Look on the bright side. Krivsky won't be tempted to sign him now. Power of positive thinking and all...;)

M2
11-29-2006, 11:18 PM
Who took over J.P. Ricciardi's body?

No one. Because he used to hang around Billy Beane people thought he knew what he was doing. He's been proving that notion wrong since the day he took over as GM in Toronto.

Wheelhouse
11-30-2006, 12:02 AM
What blows my mind is that they signed him as a STARTER. Absolutely insane. They'd be much better off signing Aurilia as their starting SS... Fine. I hope we can re-sign Rich to do the same spot starting in the infield.

TOBTTReds
11-30-2006, 12:48 AM
His deal also would include performance bonuses.

Ha! Don't think he will be reaching those, don't care what they are.

marcshoe
11-30-2006, 01:03 AM
No one. Because he used to hang around Billy Beane people thought he knew what he was doing. He's been proving that notion wrong since the day he took over as GM in Toronto.

The apple has fallen far from the tree, rolled down the hill, come to rest on a muddy river bank and been eaten by rabid badgers.

Forgive me; it's late and I should be sleeping.

blumj
11-30-2006, 01:26 AM
What blows my mind is that they signed him as a STARTER.
That's what's implied, but I don't buy it. I'm not going to put money on it or promise to eat my hat or anything, but I don't believe it for a second. $1.5M doesn't exactly scream "free agent starting SS" to me. And Lugo hasn't signed yet.

MartyFan
11-30-2006, 01:49 AM
The bonus structure for this deal requires Clayton to

1) Hit .300
2) Knock in 70 runs
3) Walk on water...

Don't think he is going to hit any bonus like that.

RFS62
11-30-2006, 06:48 AM
The apple has fallen far from the tree, rolled down the hill, come to rest on a muddy river bank and been eaten by rabid badgers.




That's too funny.

Not sure I've heard that derivation before.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Moosie52
11-30-2006, 07:30 AM
Thank God.

registerthis
11-30-2006, 09:24 AM
The apple has fallen far from the tree, rolled down the hill, come to rest on a muddy river bank and been eaten by rabid badgers.

...not just badgers. "Rabid" badgers. I love it.

MrCinatit
11-30-2006, 09:40 AM
The bonus structure for this deal requires Clayton to

1) Hit .300
2) Knock in 70 runs
3) Walk on water...

Don't think he is going to hit any bonus like that.

With all due respect, I believe you do not give Royce the credit he deserves.
It gets cold in Canada. The water freezes over. He could easily walk on it then.

edabbs44
11-30-2006, 12:40 PM
Look on the bright side. Krivsky won't be tempted to sign him now. Power of positive thinking and all...;)

Yeah, but what happens if AGon gets hurt around the trading deadline? WK could be foaming at the mouth...:)

Chip R
11-30-2006, 12:50 PM
Yeah, but what happens if AGon gets hurt around the trading deadline? WK could be foaming at the mouth...:)


No worries. We have Castro. ;)

BoydsOfSummer
11-30-2006, 02:27 PM
1) The Blue Jays signed free agent SS Royce Clayton to a 1 year, $1.5 million contract.

YEAR AGE RCAA OBA SLG OPS OWP RC/G AVG HR RBI SB G TEAM
2004 34 -31 .338 .397 .735 .348 4.48 .279 8 54 10 146 Rockies
2005 35 -25 .320 .351 .670 .336 3.64 .270 2 44 13 143 Diamondbacks
2006 36 -26 .307 .341 .648 .309 3.46 .258 2 40 14 137 Nationals/Reds
CAREER -314 .313 .368 .680 .349 3.74 .258 109 711 229 2031
LG AVG 0 .340 .427 .767 .500 5.11 .270 230 994 150
POS AVG -158 .326 .387 .713 .426 4.40 .266 137 777 178

Clayton could one day be a threat to the modern day record for worst career RCAA, which is about to belong to Neifi Perez.

1 Ski Melillo -355
2 Neifi Perez -354
3 Tommy Thevenow -351
4 Royce Clayton -314
5 Bill Bergen -312
6 Tim Foli -309
7 Larry Bowa -307
8 Alfredo Griffin -306
T9 Ozzie Guillen -305
T9 Don Kessinger -305

With 13 seasons with a double digit negative RCAA in his 15 year career, Clayton is an excellent bet to tie the record for most career double digit negative seasons in 2007--

T1 Roy McMillan 14
T1 Rabbit Maranville 14
T1 Ed Brinkman 14
T1 Larry Bowa 14
T5 Don Kessinger 13
T5 Tim Foli 13
T5 Royce Clayton 13
T5 Luke Sewell 13
T5 Alfredo Griffin 13
T5 Ozzie Guillen 13

Mainspark
11-30-2006, 04:49 PM
Ricciardi speaks again....

Clayton not guaranteed starting job at shortstop
By ROB GILLIES
Associated Press Writer
TORONTO (AP) Royce Clayton could be seeing time at shortstop and second base for the Toronto Blue Jays next year.
Its not defined right now that hes our everyday shortstop, general manager J.P. Ricciardi said Thursday, a day after agreeing to a $1.5 million, one-year contract.
Utility infielder John McDonald also will play a lot at shortstop, as will second baseman Aaron Hill.
Clayton hit .258 with two homers, 30 doubles, 40 RBIs and 14 stolen bases for Washington and Cincinnati last season.
Hill hit .291 last year. Obviously, going between shortstop and second base didnt bother him too much, Ricciardi said.
Toronto focused on Clayton after free agent second baseman Adam Kennedy agreed to a deal with St. Louis. The Blue Jays were also interested in free agent shortstop Julio Lugo, but would rather spend the $8 million to $10 million annually it would have taken to get him on pitching.
Its just a matter of putting our resources toward pitching more so than another bat. We think our lineup is good. Weve always liked Lugo, but wed rather spend the money on pitching if we could, Ricciardi said.

blumj
11-30-2006, 05:04 PM
I think that means he's about to sign Lugo.

reds44
11-30-2006, 05:20 PM
Insane how that man makes over a mil. per year.

Cyclone792
11-30-2006, 05:51 PM
The only bad thing about the timing of the new CBA is that the Reds won't receive a compensation pick for Clayton.

From Maury Brown: http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=394&Itemid=39


There had been word at the end of the summer that draft pick compensation would be fully removed from the CBA. That was not the case, but there were several adjustments to the system.

Starting in 2007, the percentage of Type A players will be lowered to 20% from 30%. A Type A free agent brings two picks to the Club that trades away the player -- one in the first round and one sandwiched between the first and second rounds.

With this adjustment from 30% to 20%, the Type B and C players get impacted.

Type B players become 21 percent - 40 percent at each position (rather than 31 percent - 50 percent in the prior agreement). Type C players are eliminated in 2006.

Also in 2006, compensation for type B players becomes indirect (sandwich pick) as opposed to direct compensation from signing Club.

Type C free agents are eliminated in 2006, so this off-season sees this wrinkle.

Royce Clayton was a Type C free agent, which means under the old CBA the Reds would have been compensated a sandwich pick after the second round. Due to the new CBA, however, it looks like there will not be any compensation at all.