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Hap
12-03-2006, 06:38 PM
LINK (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AqdFVwQ.uULRVh_us.VCWCQcvrYF?slug=ap-t25-ohiostate-tressel-vote&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Ohio State's Tressel declines to vote in coaches' poll
December 3, 2006

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Ohio State's Jim Tressel did not vote in this week's USA Today coaches' poll to avoid the perception of a conflict of interest, a move the newspaper said could jeopardize his future in the selection process.

"We are disappointed with coach Tressel's decision, but our oversight role does not grant us authority to compel his participation," USA Today's managing editor for sports Monte Lorell said Sunday in a statement. "The agreement with the American Football Coaches Association obligates the panel of coaches to disclose final regular season ballots, without exception.

"Coach Tressel's future involvement in the poll will be part of our annual review with AFCA executive director Grant Teaff."

Teaff, a former coach, said Tressel's decision was "not something that we would like to have happen, but it's kind of an unusual circumstance."

Until last year, the coaches' ballots were not made public. Now, the preseason and final regular-season ballots are released.

"It's just a tough situation," Teaff said.

The top-ranked Buckeyes (12-0) were awaiting Sunday's final Bowl Championship Series rankings -- based in part on the coaches' poll -- to determine who they play in the national championship game on Jan. 8 in Glendale, Ariz.

Florida finished No. 2 in the coaches' poll ahead of No. 3 Michigan.

"We are excited to play in the BCS title game against a tremendous opponent," Tressel said in a statement. "After consultation with my director of athletics, Gene Smith, and based upon our unique position in the BCS standings, I believe it is only fair that we not participate (in) the final poll."

The decision by Tressel not to vote could be unprecedented. AFCA executive director of marketing and development Mel Pulliam said he couldn't recall a coach declining to vote in the coaches' poll -- for any reason.

The Gators were ranked fourth in last week's coaches' poll, and moved past the idle Wolverines after defeating Arkansas 38-28 Saturday night in the Southeastern Conference title game. USC, ranked second in last week's coaches' poll, fell to No. 7 after its 13-9 loss to UCLA.

max venable
12-03-2006, 06:43 PM
I think he did the right thing. I guess it would be a conflict of interests for him to vote this time...I don't know. Or maybe it's a cowardly move...so as to not tick off anyone...I don't know.

I need time to think this one through. As I think about it...I guess if he's a member of the voting community, he has a responsibility to vote. I guess he should have just voted and let the chips fall where they may.

Unassisted
12-03-2006, 08:17 PM
Since it's not a secret ballot and his vote has a remote chance of being a factor in determining their next opponent, I think he did the right thing. Considering the stink that his earlier gaffe about this poll made this season, why should he create a controversy again where there's already plenty of it?

A vote for Florida and against Michigan could be bulletin board material for them next season.

A vote for Michigan would be perceived as Big Ten favoritism/cronyism/etc. and would be breaking his stated pledge early in Michigan week, that the loser shouldn't play for the championship.

Maybe USA Today should go back to the secret ballot?

GAC
12-03-2006, 08:46 PM
Maybe USA Today should go back to the secret ballot?

That is the way it should be, and why they changed it I don't know.

Why make ballots public? What is the purpose behind that except to start rumors and controversy?

And ESPN over-analysis by their crackpot panel of experts. :lol:

LoganBuck
12-03-2006, 09:11 PM
The reason they did that was because of the uproar from the Pac 10 after Texas lobbied heavily and jumped into the #4 spot in the BCS. The wanted accountability.

Chip R
12-04-2006, 12:35 PM
If Tressel was going to abstain, he should have let USA Today know in advance so they could have given his vote to some other coach. I understand why he did it I just don't think a vote should have been wasted especially in a situation like this.

Heath
12-04-2006, 12:59 PM
If Tressel was going to abstain, he should have let USA Today know in advance so they could have given his vote to some other coach. I understand why he did it I just don't think a vote should have been wasted especially in a situation like this.

agreed Chip, but the situation Tressel is in has a big red bullseye on it as large as the whole state of Ohio.

I think the coaches are chosen at the beginning of the year and he just couldn't give it away.

I'm fine that he decided to take a back seat to the voters, I'm shocked that this is more news than it's actually is.

paintmered
12-04-2006, 01:01 PM
I have no problem with what he did.

Can you imagine the uproar if he ended up as the deciding vote?

BuckWoody
12-04-2006, 01:13 PM
I think that this was an absolute no-win situation for Tressel. A vote for Florida and he would have been ducking Michigan and voting for the team he thought his team could better handle. A vote for Michigan and he would have been a Big-10 homer and would have gone against his previously (pre 11/18) stated "you should have to win your conference to get into the title game" stance. He ended up taking the neutral way out and he's getting criticized for not doing his duty as a voter and not "manning-up", as it were.

I can think of no other instance where the coach in a championship game had some say in who his opponent in that game would be based solely on his own opinion. It was a tough spot, his vote would not have swayed things one way or the other, and I have no big problem with it.

Chip R
12-04-2006, 01:37 PM
agreed Chip, but the situation Tressel is in has a big red bullseye on it as large as the whole state of Ohio.

I think the coaches are chosen at the beginning of the year and he just couldn't give it away.

I don't see why not. We are in the electronic age now. If he felt uncomfortable voting he should have said so and then USA Today could have picked some other coach and sent him the ballot by e-mail or whatever. It's not like they are relying on Pony Express anymore.

Red Leader
12-04-2006, 01:48 PM
I don't see why not. We are in the electronic age now. If he felt uncomfortable voting he should have said so and then USA Today could have picked some other coach and sent him the ballot by e-mail or whatever. It's not like they are relying on Pony Express anymore.

From my understanding, at the beginning of the season 63 coaches are chosen as voters in the "coach's ballot". If they don't want to do it, they can opt out then and another coach is chosen. If they do, it is their duty to vote each week through the course of the season. The last week of the year is too late for them to find a replacement for Coach Tressel.

Here is the list of coaches from this year:

This season’s board: Chuck Amato, N.C. State; Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech; Mike Bellotti, Oregon; Jack Bicknell, Louisiana Tech; Larry Blakeney, Troy; Bobby Bowden, Florida State; Tommy Bowden, Clemson; Jeff Bower, Southern Miss; Gregg Brandon, Bowling Green; Art Briles, Houston; Mack Brown, Texas; Watson Brown, UAB; John Bunting, North Carolina; Bill Callahan, Nebraska; Lloyd Carr, Michigan; Larry Coker, Miami (Fla.); Sylvester Croom, Mississippi State; Darrell Dickey, North Texas; Bill Doba, Washington State; Randy Edsall, Connecticut; Dennis Franchione, Texas A&M; Phillip Fulmer, Tennessee; Joe Glenn, Wyoming; Walt Harris, Stanford; Dan Hawkins, Colorado; Pat Hill, Fresno State; Terry Hoeppner, Indiana; Brady Hoke, Ball State; Brian Kelly, Central Michigan; Steve Kragthorpe, Tulsa; Mike Leach, Texas Tech; Rocky Long, New Mexico; Sonny Lubick, Colorado State; Dan McCarney, Iowa State; Les Miles, LSU; Shane Montgomery, Miami (Ohio); Joe Novak, Northern Illinois; Houston Nutt, Arkansas; Tom O’Brien, Boston College; George O’Leary, Central Florida; Gary Patterson, TCU; Chris Petersen, Boise State; Bobby Petrino, Louisville; Mark Richt, Georgia; Mike Riley, Oregon State; Rich Rodriguez, West Virginia; Bobby Ross, Army; Greg Schiano, Rutgers; Howard Schnellenberger, Florida Atlantic; John L. Smith, Michigan State; Mark Snyder, Marshall; Frank Solich, Ohio; Steve Spurrier, South Carolina; Rick Stockstill, Middle Tennessee; Bob Stoops, Oklahoma; Jeff Tedford, California; Joe Tiller, Purdue; Dick Tomey, San Jose State; Jim Tressel, Ohio State; Tommy Tuberville, Auburn; Charlie Weis, Notre Dame; Tyrone Willingham, Washington; Ron Zook, Illinois.

The AFCA prohibits coaches from voting for schools on major NCAA probation.

Chip R
12-04-2006, 02:04 PM
The last week of the year is too late for them to find a replacement for Coach Tressel.


It is? Why? Why not just contact a guy like Mark Dantonio and tell him that Tressel won't vote so could he do the honors this week? Or if you fear that since Dantonio is too close to Tressel, why not someone like Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz?

Red Leader
12-04-2006, 02:14 PM
It is? Why? Why not just contact a guy like Mark Dantonio and tell him that Tressel won't vote so could he do the honors this week? Or if you fear that since Dantonio is too close to Tressel, why not someone like Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz?

Because, the coaches are named and confirmed and agreed upon before the start of the season.

You can't just pick some random guy and allow him to vote at the end of the year when he hasn't voted or hasn't been approved to vote throughout the year.

Shouldn't matter anyway. You shouldn't be allowed to abstain and Tressel should have voted.

The article I read said that Coach Tressel's voting priveledges would be looked into this offseason, so it's possible he could lose his vote for next year.

I noticed that Urban isn't on the list of coach's that vote. Not sure why he wouldn't be on the list....

traderumor
12-04-2006, 02:35 PM
I think they should just create the Mark May Poll to replace the Coach's poll. Or maybe the ESPN Gameday Poll, let the three panelists determine the top 25.

Red Leader
12-04-2006, 02:37 PM
I think they should just create the Mark May Poll to replace the Coach's poll. Or maybe the ESPN Gameday Poll, let the three panelists determine the top 25.

Mark May is an idiot.

traderumor
12-04-2006, 02:57 PM
Mark May is an idiot.Oops, forgot to post this :evil: Yes he is, but I'm sure he would agree to do so based on his superior knowledge of all things college football.

MWM
12-04-2006, 03:43 PM
I think they should just create the Mark May Poll to replace the Coach's poll. Or maybe the ESPN Gameday Poll, let the three panelists determine the top 25.

The Mark May poll would NEVER include any Big Ten team under any circumstances. Most of the former players come in with biases towards teams or conferences. Most of them do a decent job of not letting those biases dominate their public opinions. I think Herbstreit goes out of his way to not be a Buckeye homer. But Mark May hates the Big Ten and he leaves no doubt about it every time he opens his mouth.

After the Ohio State game he said he didn't think Michigan could beat Arkansas or USC. The fact that Ohio State is #1 right now has to be killing him.

bucksfan
12-04-2006, 05:59 PM
Right or wrong, I think Coach Tressel in convinced he is doing the right thing. He is in the position to be criticized for anything he does or does not do here. I for one think it a good gesture anyways. The people who should have their voting privlieges investigated are the ones that don't seem to know or care about what is really playing out in the football world and clearly and consistenly exhibit some levels of bias. Not clearly saying those types are blatantly out there, but I think that is a bigger problem than someone abstaining one time.

bucksfan
12-04-2006, 06:01 PM
And Mark May turned me off completely to ESPN Gameday, what I had up to a couple years ago thought to be a really entertaining and fun show. I'll still casually watch, but with him and (at the time) Trev trying to seemingly one-up each other in idiocy, I had to bail on the show.

George Foster
12-04-2006, 11:36 PM
I think he did the right thing. I'm not a Ohio State fan, but he is very ethical, and I respect him. This is a non story.

Unassisted
12-05-2006, 10:11 AM
Even if it ultimately costs Tressel his ability to vote in next year's poll, I think the gesture was worth the sacrifice.

Red Leader
12-05-2006, 10:23 AM
Even if it ultimately costs Tressel his ability to vote in next year's poll, I think the gesture was worth the sacrifice.

I'm not an OSU fan, and personally I'm fine with Tressel keeping his vote for next year. I don't agree with what he did, but I understand it and don't think it merits having his vote taken away. Just suspend him for the bowl game. ;) Just kidding.

I'd rather they take away the Harris poll voter's votes that 1) voted FLA #1 ahead of Ohio St, 2) voted Boise St. ahead of both Michigan and Florida, 3) have blogs named "I hate the Big Ten.", or 4) Make a decision on who the top 2 teams are not knowing who the top five teams played, beat, or lost to.

Chip R
12-05-2006, 10:35 AM
I'd rather they take away the Harris poll voter's votes that 13) have blogs named "I hate the Big Ten.",


Mark May is a Harris Poll voter? :laugh:

Red Leader
12-05-2006, 10:46 AM
Mark May is a Harris Poll voter? :laugh:

No, but unfortunately this guy is taking his place.

http://www.wjox690.com/showdj.asp?DJID=26587

Make sure you read his "favorite sports teams" and "hated sports teams." Seems like a decent guy to give a vote to. :rolleyes:

dabvu2498
12-05-2006, 12:59 PM
No, but unfortunately this guy is taking his place.

http://www.wjox690.com/showdj.asp?DJID=26587

Make sure you read his "favorite sports teams" and "hated sports teams." Seems like a decent guy to give a vote to. :rolleyes:

You're not allowed to like all the SEC teams. Not even in Atlanta. Sign #1 that this guy's a tool.

Chip R
12-05-2006, 01:26 PM
You're not allowed to like all the SEC teams. Not even in Atlanta. Sign #1 that this guy's a tool.


Yeah, that's like living in Chicago and saying you're a Cubs and White Sox fan.

max venable
12-05-2006, 01:59 PM
I've got a friend who claims to be a HUGE Reds fan and a HUGE Indians fan at the same time. I could never figure it. In fact, I don't even see how anyone could be HUGE fan of more than one MLB team. Just seems weird to me.

Chip R
12-05-2006, 02:01 PM
I've got a friend who claims to be a HUGE Reds fan and a HUGE Indians fan at the same time. I could never figure it. In fact, I don't even see how anyone could be HUGE fan of more than one MLB team. Just seems weird to me.


I can see that - especially if the teams are in different leagues. In my callow youth I liked both the Reds and Royals. I still have a soft spot in my heart for K.C. and it saddens me to see what they have become.

Highlifeman21
12-05-2006, 02:49 PM
I have no problem with what he did.

Can you imagine the uproar if he ended up as the deciding vote?

At least that would show some stones.

Show you're not afraid of Michigan and vote Michigan and get Michigan again. Show you think Florida should be rewarded for whatever Florida did to deserve merit and get Florida. Take a damn stance.

Don't dodge the issue and then try and plead ignorance as to why everyone is up in arms over you not voting.

Make a decision and show us what you're made of.

IslandRed
12-05-2006, 03:32 PM
Not really having a dog in the fight, my opinion is that Tressel's action -- or non-action -- was pretty weak. Yes, it was a unique circumstance, but so what? The entire concept of the poll is coaches voting on their peers and competitors. The conflicts of interest are inherent and unavoidable. I notice Tressel didn't have an ethical problem with voting his own team #1 all year, and I suspect he wouldn't have had a problem using his vote to benefit his own team if he was in the race for #2. So if he's going to back away from the tough votes because he doesn't want to give a potential opponent some bulletin-board material, then he should give up his vote to someone who will do the job properly.

Of course, I'm also in the school that thinks the coaches poll is a joke anyway. Once the season starts, myopia sets in -- they know about their team, the team they just played and the team they're about to play. Beyond that, they're no more aware of the big picture than we are.

max venable
12-05-2006, 04:08 PM
Sorry if I've missed it, but has anybody done the math to see if Tressel had voted, what difference it would have made? For instance, suppose he voted U-M #2 and Florida like say, 4th...would it have had any effect on the outcome. I know for him it was a matter of scruples but I'm just curious about whether or not anything would have changed at all. I'm assuming that it wouldn't have made any difference at all.

Heath
12-05-2006, 04:25 PM
I think he should have voted Boise State #2 - undefeated and all.

:D

Still, as I said on page 1 - slow news day to keep this going. If there was this much furvor of why 40% of the country didn't vote for a president in 2004 over some silly bowl vote someone didn't cast - we'd have actual voter representation AND a democracy worth crowing over.