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redsfan4445
12-11-2006, 11:50 AM
per rotoworld:

Pitchers: Shawn Chacon, Mark Hendrickson, Josh Fogg, Victor Zambrano, Chris Reitsma, Jorge Sosa, Will Ohman, Todd Williams, Brendan Donnelly, Brandon Duckworth, Kyle Snyder, Chin-Hui Tsao, Javier Lopez, Joel Pinero

Hitters: Toby Hall, Yorvit Torrealba, Humberto Cota, Morgan Ensberg, Ben Broussard, Omar Infante, Antonio Perez, Eric Bruntlett, Brad Wilkerson, Kevin Mench, Jason Lane, Jody Gerut, Jayson Werth, Aaron Guiel, Hiram Bocachica, Rick Ankiel and Marcus Giles


I say position players Wilkerson, Broussard, Perez, Lane and Gerut could help.. not all, just could help, and the Reds to me dont need Giles.. we have Phillips

Asa for the pitching: Reitsma, Donnelly, Fogg, Pinero Chacon could help the Reds

Mr Red
12-11-2006, 11:54 AM
Ensberg might make a nice platoon partner for Hatteberg and add some power off the bench

Red Leader
12-11-2006, 11:59 AM
I don't know why, but I've always like Jorge Sosa and thought he was under-appreciated. He's got what amounts to be a rubber arm and has started and been a reliever with success at times doing both. I'd take a gamble on him if the money was right.

I don't think Joel Pineiro's flyball tendencies would play well at GABP. Antonio Perez, as has been said numerous times, would make a good platoon partner at 1B. Same, possibly, with Mench.

Chip R
12-11-2006, 12:01 PM
Cards finally parting ways with Ankiel?

Ltlabner
12-11-2006, 12:05 PM
per rotoworld:

Pitchers: Shawn Chacon, Mark Hendrickson, Josh Fogg, Victor Zambrano[/I][/I], Chris Reitsma, Jorge Sosa, Will Ohman, Todd Williams, Brendan Donnelly, Brandon Duckworth, Kyle Snyder, Chin-Hui Tsao, Javier Lopez, Joel Pinero



I was reading quickly and thought "Zambrano is going to be non-tendered?!?!?! We really ought to go after him". Took a second to realize that it wasn't Carlos.

:bang:

lollipopcurve
12-11-2006, 12:05 PM
I like Piniero as a possible power arm out of the pen.

Edd Roush
12-11-2006, 12:08 PM
The Mets surely won that Kazmir-Zambrano deal. :bash:

What about Chacon and Reitsma, I've always been a fan of Chacon, I don't know why and Reitsma has got it done in Cincy before. I understand that these would be just two more arms in the bullpen, but frankly I love Krivsky's idea of stockpiling arms. Injuries happen people, whether they are on our team or other teams. We can stash a few away in Louisville since it has been used as a limbo between the minors and majors any ways in the recent past. If we have injuries, we can call a decent arm up and if another team needs an arm, we can make them bend over backwards to aquire one.

I would like the idea of picking up those two arms and if we can't sign Craig Wilson, then I would be all for also picking up a plattoon.

Johnny Footstool
12-11-2006, 12:09 PM
I like Piniero as a possible power arm out of the pen.

He doesn't have that much "power" though. His K/9 as a reliever wasn't bad, but as a starter it was downright awful.

I'd rather try Victor Zambrano as a closer.

Doc. Scott
12-11-2006, 12:31 PM
What about Jason Lane as a platoon RF? Or even Jody Gerut?

Spitball
12-11-2006, 12:35 PM
I don't think Joel Pineiro's flyball tendencies would play well at GABP.

Pineiro actually had a ground ball percentage of 47.5. Compare that to Jason Jennings' 43.8%.

Red Leader
12-11-2006, 12:44 PM
Pineiro actually had a ground ball percentage of 47.5. Compare that to Jason Jennings' 43.8%.

You know, I typed that sentence out, and then I remembered looking up Pineiro's GB/FB ratio a year or two ago and seeing basically what you are saying, that his GB% is high. I've watched Pineiro pitch numerous times, he was on my fantasy teams every year he's been in the big leagues (except last year). It seems that when he pitches with his fastball, he's fine. He gets ground ball outs and gets in a groove. When he throws too many curveballs (and he loves his curveball), he gives up some monster shots. I don't know how to say this, but his GB% really doesn't tell the whole story to me. He may get more outs on ground balls then fly balls, but that may be because the flyballs hit off of him find the gaps and the seats more than your average pitcher and he doesn't get outs off of them. Does the GB% stat just use "outs" in its criteria, or is it all balls in play, because if it is all balls in play, I'd be surprised if his GB% is still 47.5%. Maybe some of our west coast posters that see Pineiro a lot can comment on this, but to me, I seem to always view him as a flyball pitcher for some reason even though the stats say otherwise.

Gary Redus
12-11-2006, 12:46 PM
If they are to be non-tendered, why not swap a middling prospect for them? I like Wilkerson, Lane, and Mench. Chacon or Reitsma are worth a flyer.

Spitball
12-11-2006, 12:54 PM
You know, I typed that sentence out, and then I remembered looking up Pineiro's GB/FB ratio a year or two ago and seeing basically what you are saying, that his GB% is high. I've watched Pineiro pitch numerous times, he was on my fantasy teams every year he's been in the big leagues (except last year). It seems that when he pitches with his fastball, he's fine. He gets ground ball outs and gets in a groove. When he throws too many curveballs (and he loves his curveball), he gives up some monster shots. I don't know how to say this, but his GB% really doesn't tell the whole story to me. He may get more outs on ground balls then fly balls, but that may be because the flyballs hit off of him find the gaps and the seats more than your average pitcher and he doesn't get outs off of them. Does the GB% stat just use "outs" in its criteria, or is it all balls in play, because if it is all balls in play, I'd be surprised if his GB% is still 47.5%. Maybe some of our west coast posters that see Pineiro a lot can comment on this, but to me, I seem to always view him as a flyball pitcher for some reason even though the stats say otherwise.

First, I'm not sure Pineiro hasn't regressed beyond any hope.

Second, GB% counts all balls in play.

Third, ground ball pitchers can give up a lot of hits and homeruns. Josh Beckett had a pretty decent GB% despite giving up 35 homeruns. Ground ball pitchers make mistakes and some of those go a long way.

M2
12-11-2006, 01:05 PM
Pineiro's interesting because he was really good once upon a time and then his game suddenly disappeared. It makes you think he's still got the talent and it's just some weird thing in the way that's holding him back.

I think he's shot as a starter, but maybe he can regain something as a reliever. He showed some flashes out of the pen last year.

Red Leader
12-11-2006, 01:22 PM
Pineiro's interesting because he was really good once upon a time and then his game suddenly disappeared. It makes you think he's still got the talent and it's just some weird thing in the way that's holding him back.

I think he's shot as a starter, but maybe he can regain something as a reliever. He showed some flashes out of the pen last year.

yeah, I remember back about 3 years ago, you could depend on him not having anything higher than a 4.00 ERA or so, and most likely something close to 3.50. Then something happened and he just started regressing. Not sure if its mechanical or what. Seems that a lot of Mariners fans have talked about his release point being out of whack and all over the place. As I mentioned before, he loves his curveball and throws it a lot, even when he's not throwing it well and that has gotten him into trouble as well. If you are not repeating your release point on your curveball, that could be a big problem, so that makes sense. He's getting to the point where he's getting too expensive to take a gamble on (for the Mariners) in hopes that he'll correct what is wrong and start pitching like they had hoped. I know the pitching coach worked with him tons last year and it seemed that he was making strides in some starts, but then regressing again the next start. Who knows. I do think he would be better out of the bullpen at this point. Just not sure if he could get things turned around so he could actually be useful out of the bullpen. Maybe Eddie Guardado could help you make a decision with his input.

jojo
12-11-2006, 01:27 PM
I like Piniero as a possible power arm out of the pen.

but he's a soft-tossing fluffer now.....

Red Leader
12-11-2006, 01:32 PM
I also find it interesting that Pineiro went from 75.1 IP in 2001 (1139 pitches) to 194.1 in 2002 (3089 pitches) to 211.2 in 2003 (3497 pitches) and then his regression started. His strikeouts declined after 2003, and his avg, obp, and ops against all rose. Maybe his arm was just overworked and tired which led to bad mechanics, etc.

jojo
12-11-2006, 01:40 PM
You know, I typed that sentence out, and then I remembered looking up Pineiro's GB/FB ratio a year or two ago and seeing basically what you are saying, that his GB% is high. I've watched Pineiro pitch numerous times, he was on my fantasy teams every year he's been in the big leagues (except last year). It seems that when he pitches with his fastball, he's fine. He gets ground ball outs and gets in a groove. When he throws too many curveballs (and he loves his curveball), he gives up some monster shots. I don't know how to say this, but his GB% really doesn't tell the whole story to me. He may get more outs on ground balls then fly balls, but that may be because the flyballs hit off of him find the gaps and the seats more than your average pitcher and he doesn't get outs off of them. Does the GB% stat just use "outs" in its criteria, or is it all balls in play, because if it is all balls in play, I'd be surprised if his GB% is still 47.5%. Maybe some of our west coast posters that see Pineiro a lot can comment on this, but to me, I seem to always view him as a flyball pitcher for some reason even though the stats say otherwise.

I'm a huge Ms fan and follow the team very closely. Beleive me when I say this:

Seriously, Pineiro is a junkball pitcher now..... he's lost a tremendous amount of velocity on his fastball (he's 86-88 mph now on good days) and even with GO tendencies, his GO/AO isn't that dramatic.... I think he'll be out of baseball within a year and a half...

just look at his peripherals for the last three seasons:
2004: ERA:4.47; xFIP: 4.48; K/G: 7.3; LD%: 17.5; LOB%: 70.5;
2005: ERA:5.62; xFIP: 4.59; K/G: 5.0; LD%: 21.9; LOB%: 66.2;
2006: ERA:6.36; xFIP: 4.92; K/G: 4.5; LD%: 23.4; LOB%: 63.8;

They are all going the wrong way,,,,,,,

TeamSelig
12-11-2006, 01:41 PM
What?

Morgan Ensberg and Jason Lane being nontendered? Marcus Giles? These are big-time players, no way are they going to be nontendered. Doesn't make sense to me...

pahster
12-11-2006, 01:43 PM
Assuming everyone on the list is non-tendered (and I think thats a big assumption), I'd be interested in Wilkerson, Ensberg, and Giles. Wilkerson could play CF and Giles could provide insurance in case Phillips tanks. Ensberg is interesting to me because, assuming that he can remain healthy, he's one of the few players I'd consider moving Encarnacion to another position for. His defensive ratings among several systems (not that they're perfect) have been pretty impressive.

jojo
12-11-2006, 01:44 PM
The one that really gets me is the Astros preferrring to dump Ensberg in favor of signing Huff...

Ensberg is a better hitter and has a much better glove...

LoganBuck
12-11-2006, 01:54 PM
Mench can hit left handers really well .969 OPS over the last three years.
Ensberg isn't to shabby either at .929

I love to see either of them brought in to play first.

jojo
12-11-2006, 02:15 PM
Mench can hit left handers really well .969 OPS over the last three years.
Ensberg isn't to shabby either at .929

I love to see either of them brought in to play first.

Ensberg is probably too good defensively at third.....I think EE would have to move either to left or to first.

Here's my quick off of the cuff moves:

Sign Ensberg: He's the thirdbaseman
Move EE to right/left (or to first is Griffey is a big baby about it)
Sign Wilkerson: he's the CF
trade Dunn for E. Santana/E. Aybar (challeges Gonzo and could be insurance for Phillips)-this trade probably has no chance of happening but yet its more plausible than you might think (Aybar is cool but Woods behind him is ice unless of course you don't like your shortstops to be slick fielders with SLG of .700) Basically Aybar is expendible for the Angels.
trade Freel for A. Guzman
Sign Mench: he's the leftfielder/rightfielder.
Move Griffey to first.
Denorfia plays 4th outfielder at all three positions. On any given night the bench looks good.

The non-tenders probably add $12-15M in payroll but trading Dunn subtracts $10M.

The rotation:
Harang
Arroyo
Santana
Milton (if Guzman does well and Homer is ready, Milton to the pen in August)
Guzman/Homer

Position players:
EE
Griffey
Phillips
Gonzo/Aybar
Ensberg
Mench
Wilkerson
some catcher

better defense, better pitching, better offense and youngish........dynasty :beerme:

PuffyPig
12-11-2006, 02:30 PM
I don't know why, but I've always like Jorge Sosa and thought he was under-appreciated. He's got what amounts to be a rubber arm and has started and been a reliever with success at times doing both. I'd take a gamble on him if the money was right.



I don't know why either.

He gave up 30 HR's in 118 innings last year. He doesn't strike out many, and walks a ton. And those HR's!!!!!

He's had one successful major league season, in 2005, where his BABIP was unreal. His 2006 season is a better indicator of his talent.

RedsManRick
12-11-2006, 02:33 PM
Ensberg non-tendered? What the heck!? The guy hit 23 homers and drew 100 walks in 500 PA. That's great production. Sure, he was BABIP unlucky because he hit a ton of ground balls, but geez. I'd take him as my 1B platoon guy without thinking twice.

wheels
12-11-2006, 02:37 PM
Ensberg non-tendered? What the heck!? The guy hit 23 homers and drew 100 walks in 500 PA. That's great production. Sure, he was BABIP unlucky because he hit a ton of ground balls, but geez. I'd take him as my 1B platoon guy without thinking twice.

The only thing I can think of is that they're trying to save money someplace because of the Carlos Lee deal.

If that's not the reason, I guess I'm stumped.

This could also be a case of bad information. We'll see what happens tomorrow, to be sure.

NJReds
12-11-2006, 02:39 PM
Brendan Donnelly is an interesting name, although our bullpen is pretty full. Mark Hendrickson could fill the fifth rotation spot.

Jpup
12-11-2006, 02:54 PM
I think you could take Wilkerson, Mench, Ensberg, Giles, and Hendrickson and make the Reds a contender very quickly. I might even go after Kyles Snyder as well. If these guys are out there, the Reds better take a shot if they are serious about contending in the near future.

Morgan Ensberg for a song? Where do I sign up?

flyer85
12-11-2006, 03:04 PM
Ensberg might make a nice platoon partner for Hatteberg and add some power off the benchactually I was thinking that he might be a great everyday 1B is the shoulder is healthy enough for him to hit. This lineup needs a RH bat and when healthy he has shown he can hit.

I wouldn't mind taking a chance on pitchers Donnelly and Tsao.

Jpup
12-11-2006, 03:06 PM
actually I was thinking that he might be a great everyday 1B is the shoulder is healthy enough for him to hit. This lineup needs a RH bat and when healthy he has shown he can hit.

very true. if you can get Ensberg, you play him everyday.

Falls City Beer
12-11-2006, 03:08 PM
Brendan Donnelly is an interesting name, although our bullpen is pretty full. Mark Hendrickson could fill the fifth rotation spot.

Oh, it's full of something alright. And I don't think you want to know the object of the preposition that I'm thinking about either.

Donnelly wouldn't just be a nice addition to the Reds' bullpen, he'd be the unequivocal ace.

jojo
12-11-2006, 03:11 PM
I think you could take Wilkerson, Mench, Ensberg, Giles, and Hendrickson and make the Reds a contender very quickly. I might even go after Kyles Snyder as well. If these guys are out there, the Reds better take a shot if they are serious about contending in the near future.

Morgan Ensberg for a song? Where do I sign up?

Well you'd still have to sign him and there would be a line.....

flyer85
12-11-2006, 03:12 PM
very true. if you can get Ensberg, you play him everyday.the fact the Stros non-tendered him tells me that they think the shoulder will keep him from being able to play 3B(they obviously have no spot at 1b).

Gamble
12-11-2006, 03:14 PM
I could definitely get use to this:

CF - Denorfia
LF - Dunn
1B - Encarnacion
3B - Ensberg
RF - Griffey
2B - Phillips
C - Ross
SS - Gonzales

flyer85
12-11-2006, 03:14 PM
Well you'd still have to sign him and there would be a line.....that all depends on his ability to play 3b coming off the shoulder problem.

Falls City Beer
12-11-2006, 03:17 PM
I'd just like to say, here and now, that seeing non-tender lists like these and reading about potential deals and about already-consummated deals (Soriano for Ramirez; Davis for that one catcher who doesn't BB a lot) is proof positive that there isn't the supposed paucity of talent out there to be had. This argument that Wayne is in a bind to find talent or that Wayne is somehow limited to FAs doesn't hold water at all. There's a bunch of talent out there that can be gotten with a little aggression.

TeamSelig
12-11-2006, 03:20 PM
Donnelly - Closer competition
Ensberg at 1B
Hendrickson as 4th starter
Wilkerson as 4th OFer

RF Freel
LF Dunn
3B Encarnacion
1B Ensberg
CF Griffey
2B Phillips
SS Gonzalez
C Ross
Bench: Hatteberg 1B, Wilkerson OF, Valentin C, Castro UTIL, Crosby OF

SP Harang
SP Arroyo
SP Milton
SP Hendrickson
SP Lohse
(Homer Bailey mid-season)

Relievers
- Weathers
- Donnelly
- Stanton
- Coffey
- Bray
- Majik
- Belisle/Elizardo

As Borat would say, Very Nice!

jojo
12-11-2006, 03:24 PM
that all depends on his ability to play 3b coming off the shoulder problem.


ya but he's an instant upgrade over a league average DH shoulder notwithstanding....

TeamSelig
12-11-2006, 03:26 PM
EdE will improve. I'm definitely not in the "he can't play 3B" crowd. He's young, and with more reps will work out his throwing techniques, etc. His range is incredible. Good luck getting ground balls through the left side of the IF next year.

NJReds
12-11-2006, 03:29 PM
Oh, it's full of something alright. And I don't think you want to know the object of the preposition that I'm thinking about either.

Donnelly wouldn't just be a nice addition to the Reds' bullpen, he'd be the unequivocal ace.

I was being nice...;)

LoganBuck
12-11-2006, 03:32 PM
Where is the love for Mench as the right handed bat?

gm
12-11-2006, 03:57 PM
Not sure if its mechanical or what. Seems that a lot of Mariners fans have talked about his release point being out of whack and all over the place. As I mentioned before, he loves his curveball and throws it a lot, even when he's not throwing it well and that has gotten him into trouble as well. If you are not repeating your release point on your curveball, that could be a big problem, so that makes sense.

I was just thinking Pineiro's MO sounds a bit like Arroyo and maybe Bronson could help with his pitch selection (using the curveball to set up the fastball, pitching "backwards" etc)

Ravenlord
12-11-2006, 04:12 PM
Where is the love for Mench as the right handed bat?



Split AVG OBP SLG AB
Home 285 352 500 1002
Away 256 305 435 930

deltachi8
12-11-2006, 04:13 PM
Ensberg at 1b, Wilkerson in CF, Donnely in the Pen. A look at Hendrickson as well.

boognish
12-11-2006, 04:15 PM
Though nobody really knows what will happen coming off multiple injuries, I am surprised at the lack of interest in Tsao. Low risk with a potentially high reward, if he can reclaim his armstrength and his gas.

I would be thrilled with Ensberg, and very enthused about Wilkerson. As long as Ensberg's shoulder injury doesn't prevent him from hitting, he should be the starting 1B to help him avoid wear and tear and Hatteberg could spell him against tough righties. I would actually prefer getting the two of these guys to Craig Wilson, whom I like, but is a butcher in the OF. Having Dunn, Griffey, and Wilson in the OF some of the time is frightening.

boognish
12-11-2006, 04:20 PM
I also do not understand the desire for Mark Henrickson? ERA half-a-run over league average, a poor K rate, and gives up hits in bunches.

My opinion is that he is not a good fit with our range-challenged OF.

M2
12-11-2006, 04:22 PM
I also do not understand the desire for Mark Henderson? ERA half-a-run over league average, a poor K rate, and gives up hits in bunches.

My opinion is that he is not a good fit with our range-challenged OF.

Agreed. He's one I'd take pains to stay away from.

wheels
12-11-2006, 04:27 PM
I'd just like to say, here and now, that seeing non-tender lists like these and reading about potential deals and about already-consummated deals (Soriano for Ramirez; Davis for that one catcher who doesn't BB a lot) is proof positive that there isn't the supposed paucity of talent out there to be had. This argument that Wayne is in a bind to find talent or that Wayne is somehow limited to FAs doesn't hold water at all. There's a bunch of talent out there that can be gotten with a little aggression.

Word.

That's true optimism right there.

It can be done, Krisvky can do it.

Will he do it? Unfortunately, we don't have that answer yet, but it's something with which to realistically judge Mr. Krivsky when it's all said and done.

RedLegSuperStar
12-11-2006, 05:11 PM
per rotoworld:

Pitchers: Shawn Chacon, Mark Hendrickson, Josh Fogg, Victor Zambrano, Chris Reitsma, Jorge Sosa, Will Ohman, Todd Williams, Brendan Donnelly, Brandon Duckworth, Kyle Snyder, Chin-Hui Tsao, Javier Lopez, Joel Pinero

Hitters: Toby Hall, Yorvit Torrealba, Humberto Cota, Morgan Ensberg, Ben Broussard, Omar Infante, Antonio Perez, Eric Bruntlett, Brad Wilkerson, Kevin Mench, Jason Lane, Jody Gerut, Jayson Werth, Aaron Guiel, Hiram Bocachica, Rick Ankiel and Marcus Giles


I say position players Wilkerson, Broussard, Perez, Lane and Gerut could help.. not all, just could help, and the Reds to me dont need Giles.. we have Phillips

Asa for the pitching: Reitsma, Donnelly, Fogg, Pinero Chacon could help the Reds

Pitching: Chacon, Donnelly, and Pinero

Hitting: Gerut and Broussard

Names like Giles, Mench, & Ensberg might be too pricey

Red Leader
12-11-2006, 05:15 PM
Names like Giles, Mench, & Ensberg might be too pricey

So will game tickets if we're to expect a 65-70 win season.

Improvements need to be made, and improvements cost money.

RedLegSuperStar
12-11-2006, 05:24 PM
So will game tickets if we're to expect a 65-70 win season.

Improvements need to be made, and improvements cost money.

I know that.. but if you have followed Krivskys 45 or more transactions.. he's not going to spend a lot. He likes the bargin basement deals.. then hopes he can capitalize off them.. ei: Phillips, Ross, C.Ross, Hollandsworth, etc..

klw
12-11-2006, 05:31 PM
I would like the Reds to try to bring in Kyle Snyder on a minor league contract with a spring invite. He just looked interesting with the Red sox last year though the results were inconsistent.

Spitball
12-11-2006, 06:51 PM
Donnelly wouldn't just be a nice addition to the Reds' bullpen, he'd be the unequivocal ace.

For me, Donnelly has a few too many red flags. Here is a guy who was a career minor leaguer, and then after ten years in the minors suddenly becomes a stud major league set-up man on a championship team. Then, just as suddenly, he sees a drastic drop in velocity and is dropped to a lesser role in the Angels' bullpen. Now, despite pretty good statistics, the Angels figure to non-tender the guy. It is not fair for me to point a finger at Donnelly, but...

OnBaseMachine
12-11-2006, 07:04 PM
Pitchers: Victor Zambrano(as a reliever), Chris Reitsma, Will Ohman, Brendan Donnelly, Chin-Hui Tsao, and Joel Pinero.

Hitters: Morgan Ensberg, Ben Broussard, Antonio Perez, Brad Wilkerson, Kevin Mench, and Marcus Giles.

Just a list of guys I would like to see Krivsky sign.

jojo
12-11-2006, 08:23 PM
Pitchers: Victor Zambrano(as a reliever), Chris Reitsma, Will Ohman, Brendan Donnelly, Chin-Hui Tsao, and Joel Pinero.

Hitters: Morgan Ensberg, Ben Broussard, Antonio Perez, Brad Wilkerson, Kevin Mench, and Marcus Giles.

Just a list of guys I would like to see Krivsky sign.

There is no chance that Ben Broussard will be non tendered by Seattle which really should be a cautionary thought concerning the rest of the *list*....

jbran1114
12-11-2006, 08:39 PM
Ive seen that ESPN has Cirillo on their rumorr board for the Reds. Can't get to the Insider. Does anyone have the info?

mound_patrol
12-11-2006, 09:00 PM
What is the process of getting a player that is non-tendered? Is it the same as getting a guy that is DFA'd?

jnwohio
12-11-2006, 09:33 PM
If they are nontendered they are free agents. No process I know of but run after them and wave the money at them.

I am with the folks that feel a lot of the many names on this list are highly suspect as nontenders. For a GM looking to move a potentially big name, getting a nontender rumor going should line up other GM's for a quick deal before the deadline (as suggested by someone else) to grab the guy before he is available to the highest bidder.

One question I have. Someone said "we will know tomorrow". The basaeball calendar I looked at said the nontender date was the 20th of December this year. Is that wrong?

mth123
12-11-2006, 10:18 PM
Word is Tsao is hurting again and he may never throw another pitch.

I like Kyle Snyder best of the Pitchers listed and would take a CHEAP flyer on Reitsma and Donnelly.

I like Ensberg and Wilkerson as offensive players. Mench too.

BigRed
12-11-2006, 10:43 PM
I am on board with Ensberg. He could do very well as the RH platoon at 1B. I also like Wilkerson a lot to play CF with Freel while Jr. moves to RF. I also would not mind seeing Mench brought in. I would take a shot at Reitsma. He could step in and be the closer. Would also give a shot to Donnelley.

Topcat
12-12-2006, 12:00 AM
I also find it interesting that Pineiro went from 75.1 IP in 2001 (1139 pitches) to 194.1 in 2002 (3089 pitches) to 211.2 in 2003 (3497 pitches) and then his regression started. His strikeouts declined after 2003, and his avg, obp, and ops against all rose. Maybe his arm was just overworked and tired which led to bad mechanics, etc.

Truly think you nailed it right there. Pinero was over used and truly is a guy who could rebound if used properly. i rather take that chance than give Gil Meche the amount of $$$$ he received. This is the way to go until you load up your farm system like the A's and Twins have done in the past.

Caveat Emperor
12-12-2006, 02:27 AM
I am on board with Ensberg. He could do very well as the RH platoon at 1B. I also like Wilkerson a lot to play CF with Freel while Jr. moves to RF. I also would not mind seeing Mench brought in. I would take a shot at Reitsma. He could step in and be the closer. Would also give a shot to Donnelley.

I know everyone likes Chris Reitsma what with him being a former Red and all, but he was objectively horrid last year, and is coming off nerve-transplant surgery.

The only way I bring him back is if it is on a non-guaranteed minor league deal with an invite to spring training.

jojo
12-12-2006, 06:00 AM
One question I have. Someone said "we will know tomorrow". The basaeball calendar I looked at said the nontender date was the 20th of December this year. Is that wrong?


The new CBA changed the date......