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chettt
12-15-2006, 04:07 PM
Reds would deal Adam Dunn, Ryan Freel & Rheal Cormier for John Garland, Scot Podsednik & Joe Crede. This would give us a lineup of:

Ross - c
Encarnacion - 1b
Phillips - 2b
Crede - 3b
Gonzalez - ss
Podsednik - lf
Denorfia - cf?
Griffey -rf?

Rotation:
Harang
Arroyo
Garland
Milton
Lohse

flyer85
12-15-2006, 04:16 PM
no deal

dsmith421
12-15-2006, 04:18 PM
If the Reds made that trade, I would literally turn into Linda Blair in the Exorcist...we're talking the head spinning around, projectile vomiting, Tourette's, levitation, the whole nine yards.

BRM
12-15-2006, 04:22 PM
Oh how I hope Podsednik never, ever wears a Reds uniform.

Team Clark
12-15-2006, 04:23 PM
No deal. I'd like to have Crede for Cormier but I'd probably have to give Kenny Williams about 6 pints of JD intravenously to make that happen.

dsmith421
12-15-2006, 04:24 PM
Oh how I hope Podsednik never, ever wears a Reds uniform.

White, speedy, short of stature, "makes contact," unbelievably overrated...my God, there'd be a civic orgasm.

BRM
12-15-2006, 04:25 PM
White, speedy, short of statute, "makes contact," unbelievably overrated...my God, there'd be a civic orgasm.

No doubt he'd be loved by many.

Johnny Footstool
12-15-2006, 04:25 PM
No deal, Howie.

flyer85
12-15-2006, 04:25 PM
Oh how I hope Podsednik never, ever wears a Reds uniform.if he does then might as well bring in Casey Daigle. The Reds would at least have some hot wives in the seats.:evil:

westofyou
12-15-2006, 04:26 PM
White, speedy, short of statute, "makes contact," unbelievably overrated...my God, there'd be a civic orgasm.

Yeah baby.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bpv/images/2/22/Collinsdave.jpg

RANDY IN INDY
12-15-2006, 04:34 PM
That sounds awful to me.

RedsManRick
12-15-2006, 04:42 PM
Any trade of Adum Dunn that does not return offense puts us in a BIG hole.

We haven't had too many significant changes to our roster since the 2nd half of last year, post "the trade". After "the trade" last year, we had the 27th best OPS in baseball and the 10th best ERA.

Rich Aurilia was far and away our most productive offensive player post trade. He's gone. Yes, Dunn is going to rebound from his crap 2nd half. Yes, we now have EE for a full year. This offense simply cannot lose Dunn without becoming one of the, if not the, worst in baseball. Joe Crede had a nice season, but he's not even close to a replacement production wise for Dunn.

RANDY IN INDY
12-15-2006, 04:45 PM
Keep Adam Dunn unless totally blown away.

Red in Chicago
12-15-2006, 05:00 PM
Any trade of Adum Dunn that does not return offense puts us in a BIG hole.

We haven't had too many significant changes to our roster since the 2nd half of last year, post "the trade". After "the trade" last year, we had the 27th best OPS in baseball and the 10th best ERA.

Rich Aurilia was far and away our most productive offensive player post trade. He's gone. Yes, Dunn is going to rebound from his crap 2nd half. Yes, we now have EE for a full year. This offense simply cannot lose Dunn without becoming one of the, if not the, worst in baseball. Joe Crede had a nice season, but he's not even close to a replacement production wise for Dunn.

I think you're giving Adam too much credit and taking too much away from Crede. Last year's OPS was .855 vs .828, which in the grand scheme of things isn't very much. Plus with Crede, you'd be getting gold glove quality at the hot corner. I'm not saying I would make this trade, but Dunn's numbers have gone down three years in a row, while Crede's have gone up three in a row. Just my humble two cents;)

RedsManRick
12-15-2006, 05:13 PM
I think you're giving Adam too much credit and taking too much away from Crede. Last year's OPS was .855 vs .828, which in the grand scheme of things isn't very much. Plus with Crede, you'd be getting gold glove quality at the hot corner. I'm not saying I would make this trade, but Dunn's numbers have gone down three years in a row, while Crede's have gone up three in a row. Just my humble two cents;)

Joe Crede is also a year and a half older than Adam Dunn. Last year's OPS from Crede was more than 60 points over his career average. Last year's OPS from Dunn was 40 points lower than his career average.

Furthermore, Crede's success was driven by a higher batting average and slugging, which are more variance prone than patience. I would love to have Crede on my squad. I wouldn't want him at the expense of Dunn.

Scott Podsednick is a slightly worse version Ryan Freel. Garland would make a nice #3 starter, which is where the deal gains a little steam. I don't think it's a horrible trade offer in terms of fairness. In fact, I think most Sox fans would turn it down in heartbeat. However, Crede has reached his upside potential. Dunn just had a down year. Buying high and selling low is rarely a winning strategy.

MartyFan
12-15-2006, 05:37 PM
um...no deal.

PuffyPig
12-15-2006, 05:38 PM
If I'm trading Dunn I have to get back at least one cheap pitcher who's good.

Garland is not cheap, and not particularly good. I like Crede, but Pod stinks.

Encarnacion has a great stick for a thirdbaseman. It makes no sense to to move him to first, where he would simply block Votto.

reds44
12-15-2006, 07:18 PM
No deal.

mth123
12-15-2006, 08:34 PM
Joe Crede is also a year and a half older than Adam Dunn. Last year's OPS from Crede was more than 60 points over his career average. Last year's OPS from Dunn was 40 points lower than his career average.

Furthermore, Crede's success was driven by a higher batting average and slugging, which are more variance prone than patience. I would love to have Crede on my squad. I wouldn't want him at the expense of Dunn.

Scott Podsednick is a slightly worse version Ryan Freel. Garland would make a nice #3 starter, which is where the deal gains a little steam. I don't think it's a horrible trade offer in terms of fairness. In fact, I think most Sox fans would turn it down in heartbeat. However, Crede has reached his upside potential. Dunn just had a down year. Buying high and selling low is rarely a winning strategy.

Perfect analysis as usual.

vaticanplum
12-15-2006, 08:45 PM
Joe Crede is also a year and a half older than Adam Dunn. Last year's OPS from Crede was more than 60 points over his career average. Last year's OPS from Dunn was 40 points lower than his career average.

Furthermore, Crede's success was driven by a higher batting average and slugging, which are more variance prone than patience. I would love to have Crede on my squad. I wouldn't want him at the expense of Dunn.

Good lord...I don't need convincing that Dunn is a great dude, but sometimes it's nice to have it verified. And I think Joe Crede is a great little deal as a third baseman...a great defensive asset, but offensively, he's not going to climb up from this year.

edabbs44
12-15-2006, 09:37 PM
Joe Crede is also a year and a half older than Adam Dunn. Last year's OPS from Crede was more than 60 points over his career average. Last year's OPS from Dunn was 40 points lower than his career average.

Furthermore, Crede's success was driven by a higher batting average and slugging, which are more variance prone than patience. I would love to have Crede on my squad. I wouldn't want him at the expense of Dunn.

Scott Podsednick is a slightly worse version Ryan Freel. Garland would make a nice #3 starter, which is where the deal gains a little steam. I don't think it's a horrible trade offer in terms of fairness. In fact, I think most Sox fans would turn it down in heartbeat. However, Crede has reached his upside potential. Dunn just had a down year. Buying high and selling low is rarely a winning strategy.

1) Disclaimer: I wouldn't make this trade in any way, shape or form.

2) I seriously find it amazing how any discussion can get twisted into Adam Dunn's favor. A few points that I think are, at the very least, questionable:

a) Crede's OPS is on the way up and Dunn's is on the way down. Therefore, this is in favor of Dunn?

b) Success that is driven by a higher BA and SLG is bad? Come on...I know this board is OBP addicted, but putting someone down because their "success" in the league is based on getting hits and XBHs is a bit ridiculous. Someone should inform Vlad that he better stop getting hits and start walking more or else the HOF will shut him out. Obviously an exaggeration but still relevant.

3) Crede will probably cost at least $8-9 million less than Dunn over the next 2 years. And 2009 is his first FA eligible year for him. If they wanted, the CWS could lock him up right now at much less of a price than Dunn is costing.


So remember, I am not advocating this trade in a million years. I am only advocating fair and balanced discussions when it comes to Adam Dunn.

Thanks for reading.

Jpup
12-16-2006, 12:40 AM
not in a million years.

Krusty
12-16-2006, 08:30 AM
I don't even think the White Sox would make that deal.