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Patpacillosjock
12-21-2006, 07:11 PM
ESPN says 4 years...if the Brew Crew get Suppan I'm gonna not watching the REds this year..and Im not kidding:bang: :bang:

pedro
12-21-2006, 07:13 PM
ESPN says 4 years...if the Brew Crew get Suppan I'm gonna not watching the REds this year..and Im not kidding:bang: :bang:

buh bye.

Spring~Fields
12-21-2006, 07:15 PM
Do you suppose that Castellini actually believed that he had a contender last year not realizing it was the weakened Central more so than he had a contender and just decided this year to recoup some of his initial investment, grab some of that TV revenue to reinvest, and go with his contender of last year?

Seems like every team has a couple bucks but his team.

guttle11
12-21-2006, 07:25 PM
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Wow.

Is there anyone that's really upset the Reds didn't go after Suppan?

westofyou
12-21-2006, 07:29 PM
Buyer beware.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5727


Jeff Suppan: I list him here with this caveat: if you have a great defensive team, you can roll the dice on him. Suppan has been a credible six-inning guy the past three years with the Cardinals because the Cards suck up balls in play like…oh, man, I’m not going to finish that thought. His peripherals have been fairly consistent; his translated strikeout and walk rates are basically the same across the three seasons, and he’s actually gotten better about the long ball. However, when you strike out less than a man every two innings and you don’t have incredibly low walk and/or home-run rates, you need help. Suppan rides a knife edge, and without the support of a top-tier defense, he’d see his ERA jump by a run overnight.

Joseph
12-21-2006, 07:42 PM
Why would failing to sign a below average pitcher to an above average deal cause you to stop watching the Reds?

CTA513
12-21-2006, 07:47 PM
everything I say is irrelevant and stupid.



:eek:

westofyou
12-21-2006, 07:51 PM
I was equally mad that Dick Ruthven slipped from the grasp of the Reds.

Patpacillosjock
12-21-2006, 08:05 PM
Why would failing to sign a below average pitcher to an above average deal cause you to stop watching the Reds?

i disagree he's below average..if he joined the staff now he'd be our #3. He's better than Milton or anybody else we have not named Bronson or Harang.

I would have been excited to see him as our #3..a step in the right direction.

Also its not the suppan non-signing that is making me stop watching..its been the past 8 years adding up. Stanton, Conine, Crosby, Moeller, etc..

This isnt the same Reds I loved..

guttle11
12-21-2006, 08:18 PM
So a group that's been in charge for less than a year, and actually led the team to it's best record in 5 years, is at fault because of the previous group's failures?

It's ok to not agree with what the team's doing, but anything past last january is not Castellini and Krivsky's fault.

If you want to leave... leave. No one cares.

Patpacillosjock
12-21-2006, 08:22 PM
So a group that's been in charge for less than a year, and actually led the team to it's best record in 5 years, is at fault because of the previous group's failures?

It's ok to not agree with what the team's doing, but anything past last january is not Castellini and Krivsky's fault.

If you want to leave... leave. No one cares.

thanks Tuffy.

cincyinco
12-21-2006, 09:26 PM
This isnt the same Reds I loved..

becuase the same Reds you loved have done oh so well over the last decade right?

I'm not defending WK here, and I'm not saying the diretion is "right" - but the fact is the previous Reds won nothing. Whats to love?

Surely we're not cubbie fans..

Ltlabner
12-21-2006, 09:59 PM
4 years of Suppan...YUCK. One year would be acceptable, but 4 years? The last thing this team needs is another horrible contract like that. Talk to me in a couple of years when the Brewers have to eat this contract.

RANDY IN INDY
12-21-2006, 10:27 PM
4 years of Suppan...YUCK. One year would be acceptable, but 4 years? The last thing this team needs is another horrible contract like that. Talk to me in a couple of years when the Brewers have to eat this contract.

Agree totally.

Topcat
12-22-2006, 05:57 AM
becuase the same Reds you loved have done oh so well over the last decade right?

I'm not defending WK here, and I'm not saying the diretion is "right" - but the fact is the previous Reds won nothing. Whats to love?

Surely we're not cubbie fans..

And thank god for that! They have just buried that franchise in garbage for the next 5 years! I must add that they did add some average players but at exorbitant costs. In the end the over spenders in the FA season so far that are medium market teams have just "miltoned" themselves for seasons to come>

Spring~Fields
12-22-2006, 07:22 AM
Suppan doesn’t look all that bad to me. Of course I am use to watching Reds pitching.

St. Louis has liked him and the Cardinals can relate to winning more than the Reds can the last six seasons, seems like Suppan might be a good number 3 or 4. Is he really that inferior to Arroyo or Harang?
Milwuakee only made an offer, they haven’t signed him yet.

"Suppan has a career record of 12-2 with a 3.29 ERA against Milwaukee." ~per espn.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5454


Suppan
2004 StL 31 31 0 0 188.0 192 98 87 25 65 110 16 9 0 0 -- 4.17
2005 StL 32 32 0 0 194.1 206 93 77 24 63 114 16 10 0 0 -- 3.57
2006 StL 32 32 0 0 190.0 207 100 87 21 69 104 12 7 0 0 -- 4.12

Harang
2004 Cin 28 28 1 1 161.0 177 90 87 26 53 125 10 9 0 0 -- 4.86
2005 Cin 32 32 1 0 211.2 217 93 90 22 51 163 11 13 0 0 -- 3.83
2006 Cin 36 35 6 2 234.1 242 109 98 28 56 216 16 11 0 0 -- 3.76

Arroyo
2004 Bos 32 29 0 0 178.2 171 99 80 17 47 142 10 9 0 0 -- 4.03
2005 Bos 35 32 0 0 205.1 213 116 103 22 54 100 14 10 0 0 -- 4.52
2006 Cin 35 35 3 1 240.2 222 98 88 31 64 184 14 11 0 0 -- 3.29

PuffyPig
12-22-2006, 11:03 AM
Suppan doesnít look all that bad to me. Of course I am use to watching Reds pitching.

St. Louis has liked him and the Cardinals can relate to winning more than the Reds can the last six seasons, seems like Suppan might be a good number 3 or 4. Is he really that inferior to Arroyo or Harang?
Milwuakee only made an offer, they havenít signed him yet.

"Suppan has a career record of 12-2 with a 3.29 ERA against Milwaukee." ~per espn.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5454


Suppan
2004 StL 31 31 0 0 188.0 192 98 87 25 65 110 16 9 0 0 -- 4.17
2005 StL 32 32 0 0 194.1 206 93 77 24 63 114 16 10 0 0 -- 3.57
2006 StL 32 32 0 0 190.0 207 100 87 21 69 104 12 7 0 0 -- 4.12

Harang
2004 Cin 28 28 1 1 161.0 177 90 87 26 53 125 10 9 0 0 -- 4.86
2005 Cin 32 32 1 0 211.2 217 93 90 22 51 163 11 13 0 0 -- 3.83
2006 Cin 36 35 6 2 234.1 242 109 98 28 56 216 16 11 0 0 -- 3.76

Arroyo
2004 Bos 32 29 0 0 178.2 171 99 80 17 47 142 10 9 0 0 -- 4.03
2005 Bos 35 32 0 0 205.1 213 116 103 22 54 100 14 10 0 0 -- 4.52
2006 Cin 35 35 3 1 240.2 222 98 88 31 64 184 14 11 0 0 -- 3.29


Suppan has done it with a great fielding team behind him in a neutral hitters park.

Harang did it with staone hands behind him in a hitters park.

The difference: Harang is on the way up, Suppan is a likely candidate to get worse, especially as he gets older.

KoryMac5
12-22-2006, 12:44 PM
The problem I have with Suppan is that he is holding out for Zito to sign. He wants to be in that neighborhood dollar wise. The Brewers have made an offer but three other teams are in contention for Suppan including the Mets. The Crew are going to have to overpay dearly for Suppan and see if his record in Miller Park holds to form.

Jpup
12-22-2006, 04:00 PM
I wouldn't give the guy over a 2 year deal and I wouldn't pay him more than 8 million per year. That's not going to happen, so I'm glad the Reds are staying far away for him. The Brewers might be good this year, but little of it will be because of Jeff Suppan.

Chip R
12-22-2006, 04:53 PM
"Suppan has a career record of 12-2 with a 3.29 ERA against Milwaukee." ~per espn.


That's what the Cubs always used to do. They would pick up a guy who always did well against them figuring at the least they wouldn't be having to face him any more. Didn't usually work out too well since the guy hit/pitched so well against the Cubs cause he was facing the Cubs.

Spring~Fields
12-22-2006, 05:19 PM
That's what the Cubs always used to do. They would pick up a guy who always did well against them figuring at the least they wouldn't be having to face him any more. Didn't usually work out too well since the guy hit/pitched so well against the Cubs cause he was facing the Cubs.

Good points,
That would not be a good enough reason to sign him to these prices. I agree with everyone that has disdain for those long contracts too.

Yet it would change the complexion if the Reds had that additional pitcher that could win 14-16 games along with Harang and Arroyo. Something about believing that you can win because pitcher x, y or z is pitching, helps.