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Ltlabner
01-09-2007, 05:02 PM
Assuming he would have been interested in Cincinanti would he have been a viable option for the rotation? Reasonable contract. Not stellar numbers but at least on the surface servicable. However he only pitched 80 innings in 18 starts. Injury perhaps?


The Blue Jays have reportedly come to terms with free agent John Thomson on a one-year, $500,000 contract.

We can't remember the last time we were this strongly in favor of a J.P. Ricciardi move. Taking price into account, Thomson was the best gamble left out there for a team in need of a starting pitcher. He'll have to compete for a rotation spot, but he could easily emerge as the Jays' No. 3 starter over Gustavo Chacin.

Story from Rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=2372)


GS CG IP H R ER HR BB SO W L ERA
Total --210 10 1259 1385 729 657 154 366 797 62 84 4.69

1.56 whip - not sure if thats carear or only 2006. 33 years old.

icehole3
01-09-2007, 05:05 PM
As we get closer to Febuary, does it seem like the prices are dropping?

dsmith421
01-09-2007, 05:08 PM
That seems like a steal for the Jays. I'm assuming Thomson's health is an issue?

Tom Servo
01-09-2007, 05:09 PM
Forget Zito and whoever, this the type of signing I would have liked to see Wayne make.

Heath
01-09-2007, 05:11 PM
I would have spent $550k on John Thomson. The only negative is that I'd spend that money on baseballs that leave the yard at GABP. So, in reality it's 1.1 million.

Good Move by the Jays.

jojo
01-09-2007, 05:16 PM
Forget Zito and whoever, this the type of signing I would have liked to see Wayne make.

Yep...... I argued for this during the winter meetings....

Bigredfan#1
01-09-2007, 05:35 PM
Forget Zito and whoever, this the type of signing I would have liked to see Wayne make.


I agree and have been disappointed that he has not made some signings like this! It is really what I expected him to do! Carlos Pena would have been a good gamble to name one.

Handofdeath
01-09-2007, 06:12 PM
As we get closer to Febuary, does it seem like the prices are dropping?

Exactly, and that is why the Reds have not been as active as many would have liked. Two months ago he would have cost twice that. Now, WK can look around and see that there is still some good talent out there and if he so chooses he can get it at a fairly good price.

BoydsOfSummer
01-09-2007, 06:40 PM
That's a nice price. Meanwhile we'll be paying Milton 9M for less production. Likely way less production.

Falls City Beer
01-09-2007, 07:30 PM
That seems like a steal for the Jays. I'm assuming Thomson's health is an issue?

Yes. Thomson's health is an issue. But for $500,000, it's worth the gamble.

ThatPitchIsDunn
01-09-2007, 08:21 PM
Toronto, while not quite the homer-happy park, is a pretty good hitter's park. I'm surprised WK couldn't swing a "let's hope so" contract like this.

Maybe it's the time passing, but I thought Thomson was going to get a bit more cash than this in free agency. Not because he's good, just what the market looked like it was demanding.

Ltlabner
01-09-2007, 09:22 PM
Yes. Thomson's health is an issue. But for $500,000, it's worth the gamble.

I'm inclined to agree FCB.

redsfanfalcon
01-09-2007, 09:34 PM
C'mon Wayne, quit sittin' on your hands...a gamble worth taking. He could very well be a 500,000 Milton.

Patpacillosjock
01-09-2007, 10:01 PM
mike stanton has to be laughing his butt off right now on the golf course.

asboog
01-10-2007, 12:14 AM
I think the Reds blew an pretty good opportunity on this one.

Nugget
01-10-2007, 01:10 AM
But the REDS already have the same gambling process with Santos and the K guy without having to shell out a major league contract.

redsmetz
01-10-2007, 08:27 AM
But the REDS already have the same gambling process with Santos and the K guy without having to shell out a major league contract.

I thought the same thing and found it ironic that some suggested we should have taken a flier on Thomson, but didn't recognize what you have clearly pointed out - we're doing it already (plus, as you aptly note, we didn't use a 40-man slot on either of them).

BRM
01-10-2007, 10:30 AM
That's a nice price. Meanwhile we'll be paying Milton 9M for less production. Likely way less production.

Wayne was willing to pay someone to take Larue. I wish he could do the same for Milton.

BoydsOfSummer
01-10-2007, 02:49 PM
Russ Ortiz just signed for the minimum. Another nice price for about league average production.



2) The Giants signed free agent P Russ Ortiz to a 1 year, $380,000 contract. They also invited 1B Scott McClain and Chad Santos, 2B William Bergolla, 3B Justin Leone, INFs Julio Cordido, Tomas De La Rosa, Luis Figueroa and Ivan Ochoa, OFs Brian Horwitz, Eddy Martinez-Esteve and Clay Timpner, Cs Stephen Holm, Todd Jennings and Guillermo Rodriguez and Ps Sun Woo Kim, Tim Lincecum, Tyler Walker, Scott Atchison, David Cortes, Daniel Giese, Justin Hedrick, Carlos Hines, Matt Palmer, Mitch Wylie, Ryan Meaux and Damian Moss to spring training.

The Giants will just pay Ortiz the league minimum and the Diamondbacks are responsible for the remainder of his $8.5 million salary for 2007.

YEAR AGE RSAA ERA G GS IP SO SO/9 BR/9 W L SV NW NL TEAM
2004 30 4 4.13 34 34 204.2 143 6.29 13.72 15 9 0 12 12 Braves
2005 31 -32 6.89 22 22 115 46 3.60 16.90 5 11 0 5 11 Diamondbacks
2006 32 -25 8.14 26 11 63 44 6.29 18.43 0 8 0 3 5 Diamondbacks/Orioles
CAREER -43 4.39 270 245 1519.2 1094 6.48 13.49 108 79 0 91 96
LG AVG 0 4.36 1519.2 1139 6.74 12.92 85 85

Will M
01-10-2007, 03:06 PM
Russ Ortiz has been just awful the last few years.

No thanks.

Patrick Bateman
01-10-2007, 03:23 PM
Russ Ortiz just signed for the minimum. Another nice price for about league average production.



Over the past 2 seaons, Ortiz has been the worst starter in the majors. Even worse than Milton, by a long shot.

I have no expectation that Ortiz will get back to league average production. He's a lot different pitcher now, then he was 2 years ago. He's finished.

BoydsOfSummer
01-10-2007, 03:55 PM
After further inspection, you guys are probably right.

Danny Serafini
01-10-2007, 05:59 PM
This story certainly is interesting:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2726797

New Blue Jay Thomson rips Lo Duca's catching
Associated Press

TORONTO -- John Thomson was surprisingly candid Wednesday about one of the reasons he chose the Toronto Blue Jays over the Mets: He didn't want to pitch to New York catcher Paul Lo Duca.

Thomson agreed to a $500,000, one-year contract with the Blue Jays on Tuesday and will get a chance to win a spot in their rotation during spring training. The right-hander said the Mets also offered a major league deal, but he wasn't interested.

"As far as just looking at Paul Lo Duca across the field, I'm not really into how he acts behind the plate," Thomson said on a conference call. "I know a bit about [Toronto catcher] Gregg Zaun and I know he wants to win and he's not going to let anything get in his way to do that, and I like that.

"And then with Vernon Wells in center field, I'm not really concerned about the outfield with him out there. ... Just watching the Mets' outfield, if Cliff Floyd is still there it's not a real good fit for him out there. He can hit the ball, but as far as defense, he's a little shaky.

"I just liked what's happening in Toronto."

Floyd is a free agent and almost certainly won't be back with the Mets next season.

Thomson pitched for the Mets in 2002, going 2-6 with a 4.31 ERA in nine starts. Lo Duca and Floyd weren't with New York at the time.

Thomson said the Mets initially offered a minor league deal before offering him a major league contract. He said Toronto offered more money in performance bonuses, but that wasn't a factor.

Thomson will get $1.5 million if he makes the Opening Day roster. General manager J.P. Ricciardi said Thomson can earn as much as $4 million based on how many starts he makes. Thomson went 2-7 with a 4.82 ERA in 18 games, including 15 starts, for the Atlanta Braves last season.

The 33-year-old Thomson pitched only 80 1/3 innings in 2006 because of mild fraying in his right shoulder and blister problems on his throwing hand.

"Everybody else I was talking to was offering minor league deals," said Thomson, whose last two seasons have been marred by injury.

"A bunch of the teams were kind of leery about signing me because of my shoulder problem that I had last year at the end of the season. As of right now it's fine. It was fine at the end of last year. There's nothing structurally wrong. I didn't have to have surgery on it."

He asked Braves manager Bobby Cox to pitch in late September so he could he prove his health.

"It was very important," Thomson said. "I sat down and said, 'Bobby, look, I'd like to get into a game toward the end of the season."'

Thomson pitched a scoreless inning against the Mets on Sept. 27 with Atlanta leading 13-1 in the ninth -- his first appearance since July 9.

"I threw nine pitches. I threw eight strikes and I got three outs so I was pretty happy," Thomson said.

He said he's been told his spot in the rotation is his to lose in spring training. He'll compete with Josh Towers, Casey Janssen and Shaun Marcum for the two open slots behind ace Roy Halladay, A.J. Burnett and Gustavo Chacin.

Thomson went 14-8 with a 3.72 ERA with Atlanta in 2004. He is 62-84 with a 4.69 ERA in 214 career games (210 starts) spanning nine major league seasons. He also has pitched for Colorado and Texas.

Ltlabner
01-10-2007, 06:06 PM
Thomson agreed to a $500,000, one-year contract with the Blue Jays on Tuesday and will get a chance to win a spot in their rotation during spring training. The right-hander said the Mets also offered a major league deal, but he wasn't interested.

Thomson will get $1.5 million if he makes the Opening Day roster. General manager J.P. Ricciardi said Thomson can earn as much as $4 million based on how many starts he makes. Thomson went 2-7 with a 4.82 ERA in 18 games, including 15 starts, for the Atlanta Braves last season.

So it sounds like the $500,000 is a minor league deal with $1.5m if he makes the team? If that's the case then I'm not sure this would have been a good deal for the Reds. I'd be willing to take the flyer despite his health for $500k but for $1.5m not so much.

dunner13
01-10-2007, 08:57 PM
I wouldnt mind seeing the reds go after brian lawerance. He could fill the 4th or 5th spot in our rotation.