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savafan
01-12-2007, 01:18 AM
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/16438833.htm

CINCINNATI - Bronson Arroyo won two of three honors awarded to Cincinnati Reds players Thursday.

In a vote by the Cincinnati chapter of the Baseball Writers Association of America, Arroyo won the Johnny Vander Meer Pitcher of the Year Award, as well as the Joe Nuxhall Good Guy Award.

Infielder Rich Aurilia took the Ernie Lombardi Award as the Reds' Most Valuable Player.

Arroyo edged last year's winner, Aaron Harang, with 91/2 of 14 votes for Pitcher of the Year. The right-hander led the staff with 35 starts and 2402/3 innings pitched. He finished with a 14-11 record and 3.29 ERA, with 184 strikeouts to 64 walks.

Nine players got at least one vote for being a "Good Guy" with the writers. Arroyo won with three votes, one more than Adam Dunn, Todd Coffey and Kent Mercker.

Aurilia, who played all four infield positions, drew eight votes for MVP, followed by Arroyo and Dunn with two each.

Over 122 games, Aurilia hit .300 with 23 homers and 70 RBI. He also had 25 doubles, a .349 on-base percentage and .518 slugging percentage.

Aurilia declined the Reds' post-season offer of salary arbitration and last month signed a free-agent contract with the San Francisco Giants.

Ken Griffey Jr. won the Lombardi and Nuxhall awards last year.

noskill27
01-12-2007, 01:22 AM
I can think of about dozen Reds more valuable then Aurilia was...

jbran1114
01-12-2007, 03:40 AM
I can think of about dozen Reds more valuable then Aurilia was...

I believe that would be rather difficult.

Ron Madden
01-12-2007, 03:44 AM
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/16438833.htm

CINCINNATI - Bronson Arroyo won two of three honors awarded to Cincinnati Reds players Thursday.

In a vote by the Cincinnati chapter of the Baseball Writers Association of America, Arroyo won the Johnny Vander Meer Pitcher of the Year Award, as well as the Joe Nuxhall Good Guy Award.

Infielder Rich Aurilia took the Ernie Lombardi Award as the Reds' Most Valuable Player.

Arroyo edged last year's winner, Aaron Harang, with 91/2 of 14 votes for Pitcher of the Year. The right-hander led the staff with 35 starts and 2402/3 innings pitched. He finished with a 14-11 record and 3.29 ERA, with 184 strikeouts to 64 walks.

Nine players got at least one vote for being a "Good Guy" with the writers. Arroyo won with three votes, one more than Adam Dunn, Todd Coffey and Kent Mercker.

Aurilia, who played all four infield positions, drew eight votes for MVP, followed by Arroyo and Dunn with two each.

Over 122 games, Aurilia hit .300 with 23 homers and 70 RBI. He also had 25 doubles, a .349 on-base percentage and .518 slugging percentage.

Aurilia declined the Reds' post-season offer of salary arbitration and last month signed a free-agent contract with the San Francisco Giants.

Ken Griffey Jr. won the Lombardi and Nuxhall awards last year.

Arroyo had a very good season, let's hope he can do it again. :thumbup:

After Bronson's first two starts against the Cubs he became a Fan Favorite and a Media Darling. IMHO Arron Harang was just as deserving as Arroyo or Aurilia for eighther award.

RedsBaron
01-12-2007, 05:36 AM
Arroyo and Harang definitely were more deserving of the team MVP award than was Aurilia.

Degenerate39
01-12-2007, 08:28 AM
I don't think Aurilia should have gotten the award. Harang and Arroyo were better choices for MVP in my opinion. Then again I don't like Aurilia so my opinion is biased

Highlifeman21
01-12-2007, 08:57 AM
1. Always good to see the team MVP leave town...
2. How can the team consider said player to be the MVP if they allow him to leave town?
3. Harang or Arroyo should have been considered over Aurilia
4. Adam Dunn had a better year than Rich Aurilia

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Now commence this thread derailed into how Aurilia had a better season than Adam Dunn....

oneupper
01-12-2007, 09:00 AM
Don't know what this says about Aurilia, but IMO it doesn't say much about the Cincinnati chapter of the BBWAA.

dabvu2498
01-12-2007, 09:19 AM
4. Adam Dunn had a better year than Rich Aurilia

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Now commence this thread derailed into how Aurilia had a better season than Adam Dunn....

Well, by some measures, he actually did.

Aurilia vs. Dunn
OPS .867 vs .855
RC/G 6.5 vs 6.2
VORP 27.4 vs 23.5
WARP 4.1 vs 3.7

Who was more valuable in 2006? Aurilia

Who would I rather have on my team in 2007-future? Dunn

But to the original point, I'd take Harang or Arroyo as team MVP over either of the above two.

Spring~Fields
01-12-2007, 11:19 AM
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/16438833.htm

CINCINNATI - Bronson Arroyo won two of three honors awarded to Cincinnati Reds players Thursday.

In a vote by the Cincinnati chapter of the Baseball Writers Association of America, Arroyo won the Johnny Vander Meer Pitcher of the Year Award, as well as the Joe Nuxhall Good Guy Award.



I am happy for him, he seems like a very decent person.

redsmetz
01-12-2007, 11:38 AM
2. How can the team consider said player to be the MVP if they allow him to leave town?

I think some have noted that it's the baseball writers who choose this award, but it's not unprecedented for the team's MVP to be shown the door.

1971 Lee May - traded in offseason
1986 Dave Parker - traded in offseason

1997 Willie Greene - traded mid-season the following year
1998 Bret Boone - traded in offseason
1999 Greg Vaughn - left for Free Agency

2001 Dmitri Young - trade in offseason
2002 Aaron Boone - traded mid-season the following year
2003 Jose Guillen - traded mid-season the same year he won the award!
2006 Rich Aurilia - left for Free Agency

What's telling and speaks to the woeful shape of our club is that seven of the last ten MVP's were gone the following season. Yikes!

(BTW, I'm not saying we should have kept Rich - I don't think he had a spot on this club for how he wanted to be used).

TeamSelig
01-12-2007, 02:58 PM
I think Harang had a better year than Arroyo... Harang was solid all year long, while it took Arroyo 10 times to get his 10th win if i remember correctly

TOBTTReds
01-12-2007, 03:08 PM
I think Harang had a better year than Arroyo... Harang was solid all year long, while it took Arroyo 10 times to get his 10th win if i remember correctly

Time to remind people wins are not an individual stat.

In those 10 games that Arroyo was "searching" for his 10th win, he had games of:

6 ip, 3 runs
7 ip, 2 runs
7 ip, 0 runs
8 ip, 2 runs
7 ip, 4 earned

That is 4 quality starts, including 3 great ones resulting in zero wins. I'll take 7 ip, 2 runs every single day, but some days that isn't good enough for a win (He did that or better 3 times in that stretch). Not the pitchers fault.

TOBTTReds
01-12-2007, 03:17 PM
Arroyo's no-decision games:

5 ip, 5 er
8 ip, 0 er
6 ip, 4 er
7 ip, 2 er
7 ip, 0 er
8 ip, 2 er
6 ip, 4 er
5.2, 5 er
6 ip, 2 er
7 ip, 0 er

65 2/3 ip, 24 er = 3.28 era in no decisions. I have no idea what others' era's are like in no decision games, but to me, this is very low.

There were 10 games that he got no decisions on the entire season, and he pitched 6.6 inn per game, giving up 2.4 earned runs per game (not 9 ip).

So even the games he didn't get a W or L for, he was pitching very well. I would take 6 2/3 inn and 2-3 runs per game. Pretty good. (Don't have time to do Harang's, but someone else can if they want).

Roy Tucker
01-12-2007, 03:26 PM
So who are the writers that consist the Cincinnati BBWAA? If I count correctly, there are 12.

Redsland
01-12-2007, 03:49 PM
The 2006 media guide lists them as:

Joe Kay (AP)
John Fay; Paul Daugherty; John Erardi, Kevin Kelly; Michael Perry (Enquirer)
Marc Lancaster; Keith Herrell; Josh Katzowitz; C. Trent Rosencrans; Lonnie Wheeler (Post)
Jim Massie; Bob Hunter; Todd Jones; Ray Stein (Col. Dispatch)
Hal McCoy; Bucky Albers; Marc Katz; Brian Kollars; Sean McClelland (DDN)
Mike Lopresti (Gannett)
Pete Conrad (Hamilton Journal)
Rick Bailey; Mark Maloney (Lex. Herald)
Mark Schmetzer (Reds Report)
Jerry Dowling; Pat Harmon; Greg Hoard; Dan Hoyt; Jerry Nardiello; George Rorrer (Honorary members)

Tom Servo
01-12-2007, 03:58 PM
Arroyo's no-decision games:
8 ip, 0 er
7 ip, 2 er
7 ip, 0 er
8 ip, 2 er
7 ip, 0 er

Didn't you just love the '06 bullpen?

HumnHilghtFreel
01-12-2007, 04:05 PM
Arroyo's no-decision games:

5 ip, 5 er
8 ip, 0 er
6 ip, 4 er
7 ip, 2 er
7 ip, 0 er
8 ip, 2 er
6 ip, 4 er
5.2, 5 er
6 ip, 2 er
7 ip, 0 er

65 2/3 ip, 24 er = 3.28 era in no decisions. I have no idea what others' era's are like in no decision games, but to me, this is very low.

There were 10 games that he got no decisions on the entire season, and he pitched 6.6 inn per game, giving up 2.4 earned runs per game (not 9 ip).

So even the games he didn't get a W or L for, he was pitching very well. I would take 6 2/3 inn and 2-3 runs per game. Pretty good. (Don't have time to do Harang's, but someone else can if they want).

Harang's ND games

4IP, 5er
6IP, 4er
5IP, 4er
6IP, 5er
2IP, 4er
6IP, 5er
1IP, 0er(relief appearance against philly)
8IP, 4er
7IP, 4er

45IP, 35 earned runs against

So Harang's No Decision games were considerably worse for the most part.

TOBTTReds
01-12-2007, 04:34 PM
Harang's ND games

4IP, 5er
6IP, 4er
5IP, 4er
6IP, 5er
2IP, 4er
6IP, 5er
1IP, 0er(relief appearance against philly)
8IP, 4er
7IP, 4er

45IP, 35 earned runs against

So Harang's No Decision games were considerably worse for the most part.


So even when Arroyo wasn't getting the beloved "win", he was pitching very well. Where as Harang was pitching a 7.00 ERA.

vaticanplum
01-12-2007, 05:05 PM
Arroyo's no-decision games:

5 ip, 5 er
8 ip, 0 er
6 ip, 4 er
7 ip, 2 er
7 ip, 0 er
8 ip, 2 er
6 ip, 4 er
5.2, 5 er
6 ip, 2 er
7 ip, 0 er

65 2/3 ip, 24 er = 3.28 era in no decisions. I have no idea what others' era's are like in no decision games, but to me, this is very low.

There were 10 games that he got no decisions on the entire season, and he pitched 6.6 inn per game, giving up 2.4 earned runs per game (not 9 ip).

So even the games he didn't get a W or L for, he was pitching very well. I would take 6 2/3 inn and 2-3 runs per game. Pretty good. (Don't have time to do Harang's, but someone else can if they want).

Holy cannoli. Is there any way to look at this for all other starting pitchers in 2006? That has to be close to the best record in no decisions (for that many of them), I'd think.

HumnHilghtFreel
01-12-2007, 05:25 PM
Holy cannoli. Is there any way to look at this for all other starting pitchers in 2006? That has to be close to the best record in no decisions (for that many of them), I'd think.

I just looked at the Top 3 in ERA for the NL and came out with this:

Oswalt in NDís

6.1 IP, 5 ER
6.1 IP, 3 ER
7 IP, 1 ER
6 IP, 0 ER
8 IP, 4 ER
7 IP, 2 ER
6.1 IP, 1 ER
6 IP, 4 ER
7 IP, 3 ER
7 IP, 3 ER

67 IP, 26 ER = 3.49 ERA in No Decisions

Carpenter

6 IP, 0 ER
7 IP, 1 ER
7 IP, 1 ER
6 IP, 0 ER
7 IP, 1 ER
8 IP, 5 ER
7 IP, 6 ER
8 IP, 1 ER
5.1 IP, 4 ER

61.1 IP, 19 ER = 2.79 ERA in No Decisions

Webb

7 IP, 1 ER
6 IP, 3 ER
6 IP, 5 ER
7 IP, 0 ER
7 IP, 3 ER
7 IP, 7 ER
7 IP, 1 ER
5 IP, 3 ER
8 IP, 1 ER

60 IP, 24 ER = 3.60 ERA in No Decisions


So out of the top 3, only Carpenter was better than Arroyo in ND games.

I could go into more players, it just takes a little while

vaticanplum
01-12-2007, 05:27 PM
Thanks HHF.

Boy, Carpenter just lumbered his team into the postseason, didn't he?

Degenerate39
01-15-2007, 06:42 PM
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CINCINNATI -- Following his first year with the Reds, pitcher Bronson Arroyo was named the winner of two local awards on Friday.
The Cincinnati chapter of the Baseball Writers' Association of America voted Arroyo as winner of both the Johnny Vander Meer Award as the Reds' Most Outstanding Pitcher and the Joe Nuxhall Good Guy Award.

Infielder Rich Aurilia was named the winner of the Ernie Lombardi Award as the club's Most Valuable Player.

Arroyo, who was acquired in a March 2006 trade from Boston for outfielder Wily Mo Pena, went 14-11 with a 3.29 ERA in 35 starts last season. The right-hander led the Major Leagues in innings pitched with 240 2/3 and was tied for first in starts. The 30-year-old was also Cincinnati's lone representative to the All-Star Game in Pittsburgh.

Aurilia, who departed as a free agent and signed with the Giants after the season, led the club in hitting with a .300 average and hit 23 home runs and 70 RBIs in 122. The 35-year-old also played all four infield positions and batted .332 after the All-Star break.

Wheelhouse
01-15-2007, 07:05 PM
1. Always good to see the team MVP leave town...
2. How can the team consider said player to be the MVP if they allow him to leave town?
3. Harang or Arroyo should have been considered over Aurilia
4. Adam Dunn had a better year than Rich Aurilia

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Now commence this thread derailed into how Aurilia had a better season than Adam Dunn....

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Not when the pressure was on...

Ron Madden
01-16-2007, 01:53 AM
If it wasn't for Adam Dunns very productive April...

Whatever happend in September amounts to a hill of beans.