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westofyou
01-16-2007, 10:53 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/marlins/2007-01-15-willis_x.htm


The Florida Marlins ace agreed Monday to a one-year contract for $6.45 million, a hefty salary for the team with the lowest payroll in the major leagues by far last year.

Willis - ML service: 3.143


1 year/$2.35M (2006)

* re-signed 1/06 (avoided arbitration)
* 1 year/$0.44M (2005)
* 1 year/$0.36M (2004)
* ML service: 4.061

Harang entering arb, The Reds should offer him Willis money

5.5 Million 2007, 7.5 in 2008 - Club Option for 9.5 in 2009

savafan
01-16-2007, 11:05 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/marlins/2007-01-15-willis_x.htm



Willis - ML service: 3.143


1 year/$2.35M (2006)

* re-signed 1/06 (avoided arbitration)
* 1 year/$0.44M (2005)
* 1 year/$0.36M (2004)
* ML service: 4.061

Harang entering arb, The Reds should offer him Willis money

5.5 Million 2007, 7.5 in 2008 - Club Option for 9.5 in 2009

That's not a bad deal.

Johnny Footstool
01-16-2007, 11:08 AM
If Harang signs for Willis money I'd be pleased as punch.

I'd offer him 4 years, $30 million plus incentives, and I would spread the money out evenly. By the 4th year of the deal, $7.5 million would seem like a total bargain.

Chip R
01-16-2007, 11:08 AM
That's not a bad deal.

For the Reds.

westofyou
01-16-2007, 11:18 AM
For the Reds.

For Harang too, he has two good season underneath him and three as a starter, Willis has 4 of both



YEAR TEAM AGE W L PCT G GS CG SV GF IP H R ER BB SO ERA RSAA
2004 Reds 26 10 9 .526 28 28 1 0 0 161 177 90 87 53 125 4.86 -15
2005 Reds 27 11 13 .458 32 32 1 0 0 211.2 217 93 90 51 163 3.83 16
2006 Reds 28 16 11 .593 36 35 6 0 0 234.1 242 109 98 56 216 3.76 28
TOTALS 37 33 .529 96 95 8 0 0 607 636 292 275 160 504 4.08 29
LG AVERAGE 34 34 .494 3 0 607 617 319 294 226 450 4.35 0


YEAR TEAM AGE W L PCT G GS CG SV GF IP H R ER BB SO ERA RSAA
2003 Marlins 21 14 6 .700 27 27 2 0 0 160.2 148 61 59 58 142 3.30 12
2004 Marlins 22 10 11 .476 32 32 2 0 0 197 210 99 88 61 139 4.02 2
2005 Marlins 23 22 10 .688 34 34 7 0 0 236.1 213 79 69 55 170 2.63 36
2006 Marlins 24 12 12 .500 34 34 4 0 0 223.1 234 106 96 83 160 3.87 10
TOTALS 58 39 .598 127 127 15 0 0 817.1 805 345 312 257 611 3.44 60
LG AVERAGE 46 46 .497 4 0 817.1 828 427 394 306 605 4.33 0

Chip R
01-16-2007, 11:22 AM
For Harang too, he has two good season underneath him and three as a starter, Willis has 4 of both



Sure, but I'll bet Harang thinks he could do better.

Joseph
01-16-2007, 03:04 PM
Sure, but I'll bet Harang thinks he could do better.

Exactly. Harang thinks 2006 was the start of the rest of his career.

dfs
01-16-2007, 03:26 PM
I was a little shocked that Willis signed for that. My first thought was they had reported the number wrong.

Caveat Emperor
01-16-2007, 05:28 PM
Exactly. Harang thinks 2006 was the start of the rest of his career.

Yeah -- but never underestimate the enticement of guaranteed money to a guy playing a position where all it takes is one bad throw to wreck a career.

IslandRed
01-16-2007, 05:57 PM
One variable is that Willis was in the three-year class, technically, so he had a more limited set of players he could compare himself to in front of an arbitrator. $6.45 million is pretty dadgum good for a first-timer. Harang is in the four-year class and has a wider pool of players to compare himself to. Of course, he doesn't quite have Willis' star power, either.

From the MLB Contracts page at: http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2000/04/2006-07-arbitration-eligibles.html

Other starting pitchers in Harang's arb class with 4+ years of service: Mark Prior, Jeremy Bonderman (signed 4/$38M), Mark Hendrickson (signed 1/$2.925M), Oliver Perez (signed 1/$2.325M), Dave Williams (signed 1/$1.25M), Brett Myers, Horacio Ramirez. Bonderman looks like the best comp; if we could bring Harang in the vicinity of those numbers, I'm all for it.

Edit: Hmmm... I'm not so sure about some of the service-time numbers on that page. I initially posted Willis was a first-time arb-eligible, as someone with barely 3 years of service should be, but I know he was arb-eligible last winter also. So don't take the above as gospel.

Further edit: Yeah, Willis' number is off on that page. He has nearly four years of service, not barely three, and he was a "super-two" last year and thus eligible for arbitration. So he and Harang are both second-time arb guys, but Harang is a year ahead of him in terms of his "class" (4+ years to Willis' 3+). I'm not sure what that means in terms of who their arbitration comps can be.

IslandRed
01-16-2007, 06:09 PM
One last comment: I was wrong, the page is right (probably). I was reading Willis' 3.143 as a percentage, i.e. three and about one-sevenths year of service, but the number after the decimal is days. Willis has three years plus 143 days of major-league service, which sounds about right. (172 is the threshold for a "year" of service time.)

Chip R
01-16-2007, 06:13 PM
Yeah -- but never underestimate the enticement of guaranteed money to a guy playing a position where all it takes is one bad throw to wreck a career.


I'm sure if security was all Harang was after, the Reds would have already signed him for 5 years at $5M per year. The Reds would be thrilled and Aaron would have his security.

Redsland
01-17-2007, 11:26 AM
So he and Harang are both second-time arb guys, but Harang is a year ahead of him in terms of his "class" (4+ years to Willis' 3+). I'm not sure what that means in terms of who their arbitration comps can be.
My understanding is that all first-timers are subjected to the same limitations as far as comps go, regardless of whether those first-timers are super-twos or not. That means that all second-timers would also be subject to the same comp rules as all other second-timers. And, of course, all third-timers have unlimited access to comps.

westofyou
01-19-2007, 10:03 AM
Bar set again

The Arizona Diamondbacks signed Doug Davis to a three year deal 22 Million

Doug Davis p
3 years/$22M (2007-09)

* signed 1/07 (avoided arbitration, $7.5M-$5.25M)
* 07:$5.5M, 08:$7.75M, 09:$8.75M
* 2 years/$4.75M (2005-06), plus performance bonuses
o 05:$2.05M, 06:$2.7M
o 2005 salary increases by $0.3M with 34 GS in 2004
o 2006 salary increases by $0.5M with 33 GS in 2005
o $0.4M in performance bonuses
o signed extension 7/04
* 1 year/$0.45M (2004) (minor-league contract)
* 1 year/$0.4275M (2003) 2/03
* 1 year/$0.31M (2002) 2/02
* agent: Steve Canter
* ML service: 5.138

flyer85
01-19-2007, 10:04 AM
If the Reds want to this will get done. After his first year I would say that WK's best attribute is in contract negotiation.

RedLegSuperStar
01-19-2007, 12:39 PM
Reds sign Lohse; Harang still waiting
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By Hal McCoy

Wednesday, January 17, 2007

Pitcher Kyle Lohse, the man the Cincinnati Reds hope will fill the No. 4 or 5 spot in the pitching rotation for 2007, agreed Tuesday to a one-year contract worth $4.2 million.

The 28-year-old right-hander was acquired July 31 at the trade deadline from Minnesota in exchange for pitcher Zach Ward. Lohse was 3-5 with a 4.50 earned-run average last season in 11 starts with the Reds.

With the signing, Lohse and the Reds avoid salary arbitration, leaving pitcher Aaron Harang as the only Cincinnati player eligible for arbitration. He must sign or file for arbitration by 11:59 p.m. tonight. Harang, who won 16 games and led the NL in strikeouts last year, is asking for $5.5 million. The Reds offered $4.25 million — roughly what they gave Lohse.

"There is still a chance we can get something done (a contract), but we haven't talked to (general manager) Wayne Krivsky (Tuesday)," said Harang. "I'm just enjoying our new baby (3 1/2-month-old Addison) and doing some throwing and working out."

seems like the Reds are comparing Harang to Lohse.. money wise. Personally I think Harang should get 4 years 28-32 million.